Beyoncé :: The "Lemonade" Era

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Postby Shayonce » Thu May 10, 2018 10:20 am

nympho wrote:^
Seriously, this is ridiculous.
Don’t know if this is a maths problem, a language problem or that you don’t know how streaming works.

It was YOU who accused HDD of “fake maths” (and now you’re doing it again) and took those 250 million and multiply them by 18, that is, the number of songs on the album, so you had a result of more than 4 billion.
Then I told you that’s not how it works. 250 million (or 306 for Lemonade) are the number of streams of all songs combined. Not each one of them. So what were you doing multiplying by 18?
I did the maths for you (twice). It’s pretty simple, not rocket science.
And now you come to tell me

do you really think Tidal mean it whole album 18track streamed 250m each? as over 4b?
:lol:

Really. I’m done with this discussion.
lol you clearly don't understand it right now.
when HDD said 3m user need to listen kanye album 8 times a day for 10 days, they mean it as listening to whole album. 250m times, not the all the song combined.
and this is why I said their math is wrong and they manipulated the situation.
now you came at me with "they're right.", but here you're saying.. they're combined and math is fine... lol

let's go back to your comment.
"250 million streams of the album / 3 million suscribers = 83.3 times each suscriber in 10 days. That is, each and every one of those 3 million suscribers worldwide streamed (average of) 8.3 times a day the album. "
you really don't see the problem here...? with thinking "the number of streams of all songs combined."??
kanye album (originally) had 18 tracks, so when you said 3m user streamed 8.3 times a day the album, = 3m x 18 x 8.3 = 448.2m combined stream.
in your post, it's not 8.3 times a day the album. it's 3m user listen to 8.3 track from his album a day for 10 days. huge difference.

here is original quote.
our rough calculation is that 3m goes into 250m about 80 times. Which means that every single one of Tidal's paid subscribers have played Pablo in its entirety eight times a day every day for 10 days.”
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Postby RayRay » Thu May 10, 2018 10:23 am

^ You still don't get it.
Either way it is impossible.
You are only making this worse. :lol:
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Postby beredy » Thu May 10, 2018 10:40 am

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beredy wrote:Well that would be a valid argument if TIDAL showed repeated big numbers for RnB, hip-hop, rap artists when compared to their user base vs other stream services. The thing is if they really had those they would tout themselves as a premium stream service in that regard (kind of like cable TV that brand themselves as high income networks based on a lot of high income people watching their shows despite the overall small numbers) but they don't. And again - having every subscribed user stream an album at least 8 times a day for days... Come on...
you mean If there're other many artist at Beyonce/kanye level and doing tidal exclusive?
they did have big number for Rihanna compare to other services.
Anti US first week tidal exclusive 14m. second week wide release 42m. (x3)
at the time Tidal had like 1m us user, while others total have over 40m users. (x40)

and Tidal is known for their hiphop exclusive content since day 1.

and the 8 time a day false number based on misconception.
250m in 10 days, 25m per day with 18 tracks, 1,388,888m listen per track.
he needs only 1.4m user listen to his album 1 time a day for 10 days.
and the app store ranking proved that tidal didn't lie when they said over 1m new user joined for kanye.

Sure, but downloads =/= users. Maybe people who had it on computer downloaded the app. Or some previous users came back. It's not an accumulative number. And do remember that Kanye cut ties with TIDAL and claimed they owed him millions. A coincidence? Seems like there was definitely some foul play going on here.
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Postby KetysandGagsSon » Thu May 10, 2018 11:06 am

Is the USA pure sales total 2m by now ?
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Postby wave » Thu May 10, 2018 11:20 am

beredy wrote:
DnBLover wrote:Interesting. If the streams came all at the same time then surely it's fraudulent. But how did they access the data?
Apparently there's a drive with the history of all TIDAL streams out there.
If that matches what the document says and it's very direct with details, both could loose their credibility and probably companies they are connected with will pull out from them. They wont want to be connected to fraud.
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Postby Hugo » Thu May 10, 2018 12:02 pm

KetysandGagsSon wrote:Is the USA pure sales total 2m by now ?
Close, around 120k to reach that.
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Postby Shayonce » Fri May 11, 2018 9:34 am

she will probably ended up like 1.94m ish this year. hopefully 2m next year.
its' really did much better than selftitle and 4 with much less airplay and circumstance.
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Postby carlo_thebest » Fri May 11, 2018 9:53 am

I don't think that this will affect her that much... But I really hope she releases Lemonade on Spotify and Apple Music soon...
The album will benefits for sure and she will be back in the Billboard 200 for many weeks...
BEYONCE 120.000.000 Records Worldwide

Beyoncé is Billboard Female Artist of the Decade!
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Postby Shayonce » Tue May 15, 2018 10:18 am

Billboard top album sales

BEYONCE|LEMONADE ( 81) 2,373

Total 1,880,482
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Postby carlo_thebest » Tue May 15, 2018 12:08 pm

Shayonce wrote:Billboard top album sales

BEYONCE|LEMONADE ( 81) 2,373

Total 1,880,482
Still stable!
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Postby Hugo » Wed May 16, 2018 3:00 pm

There are "popular" albums that have just come out doing marginally better than that. A selling King. 8-)
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Postby tidalexclusive » Fri May 18, 2018 4:29 am

FORMATION and HOLD UP is finally platinum-certified by RIAA! I guess she waited till it sold 1 million pure copies because it's been eligible for very long now with streaming! She doesn't like certifying with streaming I guess! :D
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Postby lucasfenty » Fri May 18, 2018 12:22 pm

tidalexclusive wrote:FORMATION and HOLD UP is finally platinum-certified by RIAA! I guess she waited till it sold 1 million pure copies because it's been eligible for very long now with streaming! She doesn't like certifying with streaming I guess! :D
Did Hold Up really sell 1M in pure sales ? :o Kworb & oldbloke have it estimated at less than 900K
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Postby thebigham » Fri May 18, 2018 1:24 pm

tidalexclusive wrote:FORMATION and HOLD UP is finally platinum-certified by RIAA! I guess she waited till it sold 1 million pure copies because it's been eligible for very long now with streaming! She doesn't like certifying with streaming I guess! :D
Source??

Nothing at the RIAA yet:

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab ... ch_section
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Postby OutlawTorn » Fri May 18, 2018 1:41 pm

thebigham wrote:
tidalexclusive wrote:FORMATION and HOLD UP is finally platinum-certified by RIAA! I guess she waited till it sold 1 million pure copies because it's been eligible for very long now with streaming! She doesn't like certifying with streaming I guess! :D
Source??

Nothing at the RIAA yet:

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab ... ch_section
Indeed, but you can see it this way:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=be
(as you can see both were certified on May 7th)
https://popularalbums.blogspot.be -> 298 albums and counting...
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Postby thebigham » Fri May 18, 2018 1:46 pm

RIAA.com:

BEYONCE FORMATION May 7, 2018 COLUMBIA SINGLE 1xP

BEYONCE HOLD UP May 7, 2018 COLUMBIA SINGLE 1xP

Why not her albums?
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Postby tidalexclusive » Fri May 18, 2018 1:57 pm

^
She only certifies based on pure sales I guess....so only IASF would qualify for a higher certification
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Postby thebigham » Fri May 18, 2018 2:11 pm

^CIL is over 5 million sold it is eligible for 5xP.

She and her label just don't care.
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Postby tidalexclusive » Fri May 18, 2018 2:59 pm

Do perhaps have other sales estimates of Beyoncé?
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Postby thebigham » Thu May 24, 2018 10:41 am

5/26/18 Billboard's Top Album Sales
Total = Chain, Independent, Mass Merchants, Non Traditional

BEYONCE|LEMONADE ( 80) 2275 131 405 143 1594

Sales estimate by oldbloke:

LEMONADE - Beyoncé ( 1,883,000 )
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Postby thebigham » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:18 am

^Exact figure:

5/26/18 Catalog Album Sales

13. Lemonade, Beyonce 2,288 1,883,537 1xP
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Postby Hugo » Tue Jun 05, 2018 5:35 pm

Let's see

UK iTunes
28 (+11) Beyoncé - Lemonade
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Postby Hugo » Wed Jun 06, 2018 8:31 pm

UK
23 (+11) Beyoncé - Lemonade
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Postby Shayonce » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:32 am

6/02/18 billboard chart
out of top100 album sales charrt

catalog chart
32(13) Lemonade Beyonce

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6/09/18
top album sales
99 (re) Lemonade
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Postby thebigham » Thu Jun 14, 2018 10:24 pm

6/23/18 Billboard's Top Album Sales
Total = Chain, Independent, Mass Merchants, Non Traditional

115. BEYONCE|LEMONADE 1,797 = 96 263 90 1348

Sales estimate by oldbloke:

LEMONADE - Beyoncé ( 1,889,000 )
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