This topic is getting chaotic. Poor Benny. I will also respond to Prici900's comment addressed at me. But hopefully things will get back to normal (Benny, I didn't cause this).
prici900 wrote:Hi Hur and Benny - Thanks for the responses – One thing that is true is that I do like Queen – I am a big fan of groups who relied on their talents and developed and this is truer of Queen than most groups – Queen had four brilliant songwriters – Abba had three but relied on two. It’s true that I am a bigger fan of Abba’s – but I have balance and I did say that the onus is on me and all Abba fans to prove what Abba sold.
Thank you for nice comments about Queen. Nice surprise. In this forum, I'm get used to reading bad things about them.
prici900 wrote:Ok Sales – It is difficult but Abba had consistently big selling singles – whilst queens singles were a bit more hit and miss but Queen improved on their Album sales over time and were at the height of their game in the 1980’s – long after Abba had disbanded.
I think that Abba sold some more million physical singles. If you read my above breakdown, you will notice I estimated them on 50 million physical singles, while I gave Queen 40 million.
However, it is very likely that in the ten biggest markets I also mentioned (USA, UK, Japan, Germany, France, Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Italy and Spain), both Queen and Abba sold roughly a similar amount of (physical) singles. Which infers that in my conjectures, I was assuimng that Abba outsold Queen by a margin of 10 million singles outside of the biggest markets, which is too much of a big gap, no matter how popular Abba were in Scandinavia (where singles sales weren't that strong anyway). So perhaps I was being kind to them or too conservative on Queen.
But your comment about Queen being 'hit and miss' on the singles charts somehow fits with the above numbers, assuming you are right.
If we combine physical and digital singles sales (in the modern era), I think Queen have sold just a many as Abba, perhaps more.
The key is in their albums sales, but then again, I personally think it is clear Queen sold more.
Anyway if you don't trust my numbers, here I will post those that MJDangerous (an ex member of this site) came up with for both Queen and Abba worlwide:Albums sales
Act - Album sales (last update)
The Beatles - 349,1m (April 2010)
Michael Jackson - 232,7m (April 2010)
Elvis Presley - 231,0m (April 2010)
Pink Floyd - 204,7m (September 2010)
Madonna - 195,7m (April 2010) - Some ongoing updates ATM
The Rolling Stones - 190,3m (April 2010)
Elton John - 180,2m (December 2010) Queen - 173,5m (May 2010)
Led Zeppelin - 171,4m (November 2010)
U2 - 167,6m (November 2010)
AC/DC - 158,3m (November 2010)
The Eagles - 153,9m (November 2010)Abba – 130m (May 2010)
Link: http://fanofmusic.free.fr/index.php?m=C ... sWorldActs
(you need to go below in the page, where the 'Display Updates' works)Physical Singles sales compiled in 2009 (USA, Europe, Canada, Australia, Japan combined)
1 Elvis Presley 122,28 m
2 The Beatles 122,12 m
3 Elton John 106,6 m
4 Michael Jackson 89,59 m
5 Madonna 86,48 m
6 Rolling Stones 76,66 m
7 Bee Gees 76,53 m
8 Stevie Wonder 74,72 m
9 Rod Stewart 55,1 m 10 ABBA 52,87 m 11 Queen 49,98 m
12 Whitney Houston 49,75 m
13 Jackson5/The Jacksons 38,46 m
So according to MJDangerous (I don't agree with all his numbers, but he works as a neutral source in this), Queen sold nearly 225 million albums and physical singles.
Abba sold 185 million albums and physical singles.
Considering that Queen made a bigger impact on both the digital and music video market, the gap would increase if you included both supports.
According to one of the most prolific posters of this forum (MJDangerous), Queen have sold more albums and records than Abba.
prici900 wrote:I can’t say it enough Abba sold massive records where groups did not traditionally sell large amounts of records
Again, the same thing applies to Queen and Bee Gees. You could use that argument if you were comparing Abba to The Eagles, Aerosmith, Led Zeppelin or other groups, but definitely not Queen.
I recommend you to take a look at various sources (online databases, old articles, even this forum) to find out about some of Queen's sales in Latin America, for instance.
For example, in the former Argentinian database (not available online since the beginning of the year), Queen were the highest certified band after The Beatles and I hold further evidence and neat research to show they have actually sold more records than any other group, apart from that band. In Brazil, one of the Ukmix members (AutomaticBR) has built a databse with the shipments totals from 2003 to 2012 and I invite you to compare Queen to other old, disbanded bands: http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33047
I would like you to visit the Polish database too to see what is the most certified band there too. Link: http://www.zpav.pl/rankingi/wyroznienia/zlote/index.php