minkahed wrote:Obviously, for the Elvis fan, this is great news, but what I find kind of baffling is what about Elvis's main catalog album titles such as:
"Elvis' Golden Records"
"Elvis Golden Records, volume 3"
"From Elvis in Memphis"
"Aloha from Hawaii" ...
Elvis' Golden Records is certified at six (6) times platinum. Over the past 60 years, from Vinyl to cassette to reel to reel, 8 track, countless reissues, your telling me that this album, this fantastic album has failed to reach at least 10 million in sales ?
Ernst Jorgensen even claimed that this album sells at least a couple hundred thousand a year, but still sits at six times Platinum. I don't think so ...
Nobody on here has a logical explanation for my valid question/s ?
Well Minkahead, most who do/did care about all these issues have largely given up explaining it all as it only brings grief and dispute. At least that and, as I've just posted, the death of the physical format and old style chart and sales analysis have largely consigned me to history too. I'm too old and weary to bother with how music is consumed these days...
But seeing as you've asked about the reasoning behind physical awards (or lack of upgrades), and how I've been revisiting old stomping grounds and tired old bones to chew over on the Jackson 5 thread as a trip down memory lane, then I'll offer these opinions:
1) 'Elvis' Golden Records' was 5xP when upgraded in 1992 from the original gold in 1961 and platinum in 1988. Without checking the 6xP date (1999?) I really can't see what more you would expect it to have sold in the intervening years, when it has largely become redundant as a hits package of value. I'm sure it has sold very few since exceeding 6m.
2) 'G.I. Blues' was platinum in the original 1992 mass certification upgrade and that was never improved upon. Do you think it was higher at that time? I'm sure if you stop and think you will not be of the opinion that a dated early 60s soundtrack had any chance of adding serious numbers to that original million sales in the digital era. Or maybe you do, hence the question?!
3) 'Blue Hawaii' was what has been described as the 'archetypal' Presley soundtrack (we could call 'G.I. Blues' the 'prototype' in this regard). Therefore, when it comes to his movie era 'Blue Hawaii' is the one that gets the buys from the general public - and including 'Can't Help Falling In Love' obviously helped! So again, was 2xP in 1992 followed by 3xP (1999?) under par in your view? Would you think that since the 3xP there really is much of a market for the standalone CD still to make any difference to the multi-platinum level?
4) 'Elvis' Golden Records Vol. 3' is in the same boat as the original volume but without the 'cache' that the 50s set had. In other words, those who dig rock 'n' roll will always buy what Elvis did at the start but are unlikely to jive to Vol. 3, are they? It is not a 'must have' in the same way for rock aficionados. So the question is, do you feel it should be above two million all along? That is a different matter as again it surely hasn't sold many CDs to make a serious difference.
5) 'From Elvis In Memphis' and 'Elvis Country' are two great original albums from his 'comeback' era and they are/were more likely to stand the test of time into the digital era. But we have so many re-packages and compilations of this material that the 1969/71 versions have been pretty much overwhelmed. Have they both managed platinum now, or still stuck on gold? Is it likely that they have sold much in the 21st century? I don't think so.
6) 'Aloha From Hawaii' is confusing as it is one of those subject to RIAA rules on length and release date etc. Edu understands these things better without having to look it all up but, basically, the album is not what sells now, is it? If you want the concert experience of Elvis in 1973 then the DVD is what you get for this one. The CD sits at 5xP since the turn of the century and there it will stay for eternity I suspect, not helped by many more repackages of course.
For what it's worth, the current lot of upgrades were basically expected as Soundscan numbers told us as much. Once you realise physical albums are now as dead as physical singles became a decade or more ago then, ultimately, we have little hope of seeing many more RIAA awards for Elvis.
There is still some potential for the odd upgrade - 'A Legendary Performer Vol. 1' tells us that - but otherwise it does look like Garth Brooks will remain officially as the top album seller in the States based on the RIAA and its counting method. And there is no need to go into why that is wrong on so many fronts, is there?!