Queen :: Charts & Sales History

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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:09 am

Well, I will start a break down with the Queen back catalog. Most of the following numbers are based on estimations due to lack of information. Dispite that, I know much more now than when I first enterd at this page, so first of all, I have to thank to all people here, like MJ Dangerous, Basil, Colin, Hanboo, John 2000, Mario, Enno, Indi, and a lot more.

1- Queen

-UK: 150 k
-USA: 800 k
-Japan: 24 k (charted in 1975 and 2004)

Estimated worldwide: 1.500.000 copies.


It didn´t chart in most countries, but with more than 30 years of back catalog sales that number seems to be right (or at least I think so).

2- Queen 2

-UK: 200 k
-USA: 500 k
-Japan: 56 k
-Norway: number 18 on the charts

Estimation worldwide: 1.000.000 copies

3- Sheer heart attack

-UK: 500 k
-USA: 800 k
-Japan: 104 k
-Netherlands: number 6
-Norway: number 9
-Australia: number 19
-France: number 24
-Spain: number 18

Estimation worldwide: 2.000.000 copies


4- A night at the opera

-UK: 1200 k
-Netherlands: 300 k (9 weeks at number one in 1976, charted again in 1992)
-Germany: 700 k (certified 500 k in 1993).
-Spain: 200 k (number 2, 18 weeks on the charts, and the best selling album of 1976 accordind to a spanish press article)
-Italy: 50 k (it never charted until 2005 with the re-release)
-France: 100 k (flopped in 1976, but a very decent back catalog seller)
-Switzerlands: 70 k (certified 50 k in 1992)
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 300 k

-USA: 3500 k (certified 3000 k in 2002)
-Canada: 200 k

-Japan: 200 k

-Australia: 300 k (2 weeks at number one at the end of 1975, and the fourth best selling album of 1976)

Estimation worldwide: 8.000.000 copies.

Some charts facts:

- In UK, it was at number one during 4 weeks between the end of 1975 and the beginning of 1976. According to the Queen´s archivist (in his book "As it began) it sold over 500.000 copies in its first 8 weeks. It was 50 weeks on the official charts, and 93 on the biggest one available since 1994. It was also one of the 30 best selling albums of the 70´ and in the top 100 of the best selling albums compiled in 1987.

- In USA, it had a very good chart-running during 1976, peaking at number 4 (three weeks at that position), and seven at top ten. It was surely one of the big seller between 1976 and 1977. It sold more than 981.000 copies since 1991, and will pass the million mark this year. For that reason, 3.500.000 copies can be a very godd picture of its real sales.


I will post some other estimations. Of course these is nothing official, bit still a very good idea about some Queen worldwide sales.

I´m looking forwrd to comments or opinions about this numbers from people here, due to most of them are estimations. And besides, I also wait for claims about this break downs being fake. :lol:










































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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:09 am

5- A day at the races.

-UK: 500 k (number one)
-Netherlands: 150 k (5 weeks at number one in 1977)
-Germany: 300 k (certified 250 k)
-Spain: 50 k
-Italy: 50 k
-France: 50 k (It didn´t chart)
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: 1200 k (number 5 in 1977, certified 1000 k in 2002)
-Canada: 150 k (certified 100 k in 1977)

-Japan: 200 k (number one)

-Australia: 100 k (number 8 in 1977)

Estimations worldwide: 3.500.000 copies


6- News of the world

-UK: 500 k
-Netherlands: 200 k (5 weeks at number one in the last weeks of 1977)
-Germany: 600 k
-Spain: ?
-Italy: ?
-France: 600 k (3 weeks at number one, and 16 weeks at top ten)
-Switzerland: 50 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: 4200 k (number 3 in 1978, and 13 weeks at top ten. Certified 4000 k in 2002, and sold more then 800 k since 1991)
-Canada: 400 k (certified 300 k in 1978)

-Japan: 84 k

-Australia: 100 k

-Estimations worldwide: 7.500.000 copies


7- Jazz

-UK: 500 k
-Netherlands: 150 k (certified 100 k in 1979)
-Germany: 400 k
-Spain: ?
-Italy: ?
-France: 200 k
-Switzerland: 50 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: 1300 k (certified in 1978)
-Canada: 200 k (number 3 at the end of 1978)

-Japan: 106 k

-Australia: 50 k

-Estimations worldwide: 3.500.000 copies

8- Live killers

-UK: 200 k
-Netherlands: 50 k
-Germany: 400 k
-Spain: ?
-Italy: ?
-France: ?
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: ?
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: 1200 k (certified 1000 k in 2002, sold over 500 k since 2002)
-Canada: 50 k

-Japan: 56 k

-Australia: ?

-Estimations worldwide: 3.500.000 copies
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 3:49 am

9- The game

-UK: 300 k
-Netherlands: 70 k
-Germany: 400 k (number 2)
-Spain: 100 k
-Italy: 50 k
-France: 50 k
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: 4200 k (5 weeks at number one)
-Canada: 500 k (5 weeks at number one)

-Japan: 75 k

-Australia: 100 k

-Estimations worldwide: 7.000.000 copies

10- Flash

-UK: 150 k
-Netherlands: 50 k
-Germany: 400 k
-Spain: 50 k
-Italy: 50 k
-France: ?
-Switzerland: ?
-Austria: 40 k
-Sweden: ?
-Rest of Europe: 150 k

-USA: 500 k
-Canada: 50 k

-Japan: 68 k

-Australia: ?

-Estimations worldwide: 2.000.000 copies

11- Hot space

-UK: 300 k
-Netherlands: 50 k
-Germany: 300 k
-Spain: 100 k
-Italy: 50 k
-France: 300 k
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 40 k
-Sweden: 100 k
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: 800 k
-Canada: 100 k

-Japan: 60 k

-Australia: 50 k

-Estimations worldwide: 3.000.000 copies

12- The works

-UK: 1000 k (number 2 during 3 weeks, and 25 weeks at top ten)
-Netherlands: 100 k (certified gold, but 2 weeks at number one)
-Germany: 400 k (number 3, and 14 weeks at top ten)
-Spain: 200 k
-Italy: 100 k
-France: 200 k
-Switzerland: 80 k (number 3, and third best chart-running of 1984)
-Austria: 70 k (number 2, 36 weeks at top ten, and the second best chart-running of 1984)
-Sweden: 100 k
-Rest of Europe: 300 k

-USA: 800 k
-Canada: 150 k

-Japan: 67 k

-Australia: 100 k

-Estimations worldwide: 4.500.000 copies
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:19 am

13- A kind of magic

-UK: 1200 k (number one, 16 weeks at top ten)
-Netherlands: 100 k
-Germany: 700 k
-Spain: 400 k (200 k only in cd´s)
-Italy: 50 k
-France: 200 k
-Switzerland: 120 k
-Austria: 50 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 300 k

-USA: 1000 k (500 k since 1991)
-Canada: 50 k

-Japan: 13 k

-Australia: 50 k

-Estimations worldwide: 5.000.000 copies


14- Live magic

-UK: 600 k
-Netherlands: 50 k
-Germany: 250 k
-Spain: 200 k
-Italy: 50 k
-France: ?
-Switzerland: 50 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: ?
-Rest of Europe: 150 k

-USA: ? (not released until 1991)
-Canada: ?

-Japan: 2 k

-Australia: ?

-Estimations worldwide: 2.000.000 copies

15- The miracle

-UK: 600 k
-Netherlands: 150 k
-Germany: 800 k (8 weeks st number one, 19 weeks at top ten. Certified 500 k in 1990)
-Spain: 300 k (160 k only in cd´s)
-Italy: 300k (number 3, and top 20 of the year-end charts of 1989)
-France: 200 k
-Switzerland: 50 k
-Austria: 40 k (number one. Certified gold)
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 300 k

-USA: 500 k
-Canada: 50 k

-Japan: 20 k

-Australia: 50 k

-Estimations worldwide: 4.000.000 copies

16- Innuendo

-UK: 600 k
-Netherlands: 150 k (certified platinium in 1991)
-Germany: 700 k (6 weeks at number one in 1991, and 12 weeks at top ten. Certified 500 k in 1992)
-Spain: 250 k (130 copies only in cd´s)
-Italy: 500 k (400 k in 1991)
-France: 350 k
-Switzerland: 120 k
-Austria: 50 k
-Sweden: 50
-Rest of Europe: 300 k

-USA: 900 k
-Canada: 50 k

-Japan: 41 k

-Australia: 50 k

-Estimations worldwide: 5.000.000 copies
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:35 am

17- Live at wembley

-UK: 600 k
-Netherlands: 70 k
-Germany: 250 k
-Spain: 300 k
-Italy: 400 k
-France: 350 k
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: ?
-Rest of Europe: 300 k

-USA: 600 k
-Canada: ?

-Japan: 7 k

-Australia: ?

-Estimations worldwide: 3.500.000 copies

18- Made in heaven

-UK: 1500 k
-Netherlands: 240 k
-Germany: 1100
-Spain: 280 k
-Italy: 600 k
-France: 650 k
-Switzerland: 170 k
-Austria: 100
-Sweden: 50 k
-Total Europe by now: 5200 k

-USA: 500 k
-Canada: 100 k

-Japan: 400 k

-Australia: 70 k

-Estimations worldwide: 7.500.000 copies

I´m not happy with this number, because as I read in several press articles from 1997, that album was on about 10 millions copies. Maybe thsoe sales were inflated, or maybe my estimations are so low. But here some information from those years: the album was number in at least 14 countries, and platinim or multi-platinum in at least 20 countries (between them, Argentina, Belgium, Korea, Honk Kong, South Africa, 2 platinum in Czec republic, 3 platinum in New Zeland, Portugal, and others).

19-Queen on fire:

-UK: 100 k
-Netherlands: 50 k
-Germany: 100 k
-Spain: 50 k
-Italy: 50 k
-France: ?
-Switzerland: ?
-Austria: ?
-Sweden: ?
-Rest of Europe: 100 k

-USA: ?
-Canada: ?

-Japan: 20 k

-Australia: ?


-Estimations worldwide: 500.000 copies
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:35 am

Compilations:

20- Greatest hits 1

-UK: 5100 k
-Netherlands: 400 k
-Germany: 1750 k
-Spain: 300 k
-Italy: 200 k
-France: 300 k
-Switzerland: 270 k
-Austria: 200 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 900 k

-USA: 8700 k
-Canada: 700 k

-Japan: 147 k (it sold that during its there entries)

-Australia: 910 k

Other numbers:
-Brazil: 500 k (certified 250 k only in cd´s)
-Korea: 530 k
-Denmark: 100 k
-Finland: 38 k
-New Zealand: 145 k

-Estimation worldwide: 23.000.000 copies

21-Greatest hits 2

-UK: 2800 k
-Netherlands: 600 k
-Germany: 2500 k (certified 2000 k in 1993, and reached number 19 in 1997)
-Spain: 800 k (600 k cd´s only)
-Italy: 1100 k (1000 k until 1992)
-France: 1500 k (certified 1000 k in 1992)
-Switzerland: 270 k
-Austria: 220 k
-Sweden: 300 k
-Rest of Europe: 1200 k

-USA: 3260 k
-Canada: 800 k (certified 500 k in 1993, and more than 400 on back catalog charts)

-Japan: 20 k

-Australia: ?

Some other numbers:
-Argentina: 500 k (certified in 2002, but it is said to be over 1000 k)
-Brazil: 750 k (certified 500 k for cd´s)
-Mexico: 250 k
-New Zealand: 150 k
-Belgium: according to a Queen site (with archive and old articles), it was the second best selling album of 1992
-Finland: 132 k
-Denmark: 250 k
-Czech republic: 60 k
-Hungary: number one, and 78 weeks on the charts.

-Estimations worldwide: 18.000.000 copies

22- Greatest hits 3

-UK: 600 k
-Netherlands: 100 k
-Germany: 300 k
-Spain: 70 k
-Italy: 300 k
-France: 100 k
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: 50 k
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: ?
-Canada: ?

-Japan: 20 k

-Australia: ?

-Estimations worldwide: 2.500.000 copies

23-Greatest hits 1 and Greatest hits 2 (box set)


-UK: 50 k
-Netherlands: 100 k
-Germany: 250 k
-Spain: 50 k
-Italy: ?
-France: 100 k
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: ?
-Rest of Europe: 200 k

-USA: 700 k
-Canada: ?

-Japan: 40 k

-Australia: ?

-Estimations worldwide: 2.000.000 copies

24-Platinium collection

-UK: 1360 k (according to music week last year)
-Netherlands: 220 k (certified 200 k in 2005)
-Germany: 150 k
-Spain: 197 k
-Italy: 420 k
-France: 300 k
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: ?
-Sweden: ?
-Total Europe: 3200 k

-USA: 417 k
-Canada: ?

-Japan: ?

-Australia: 70 k

-Estimations worldwide: 4.000.000 copies

25-Queen rocks

-UK: 300 k
-Netherlands: 50 k
-Germany: 150 k
-Spain: 70 k
-Italy: 50 k
-France: 100 k
-Switzerland: 25 k
-Austria: 25 k
-Sweden: ?
-Rest of Europe: 150 k

-USA: ?
-Canada: ?

-Japan: 20 k

-Australia: 35 k

-Estimations worldwide: 1.000.000 copies
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 5:45 am

Other stuff:

26-The best 1

-France: 100 k

27-The best 2

-France: 200 k

28-In vision

-Japan: 160 k

29-Queen jewels

-Japan: 1300 k
-Taiwan: 25 k (number one on international charts)
-Honk kong: 10 k

Worldwide sales: 1.300.000 +

30-Queen jewels 2

-Japan: 100 k

30-Stone cold classic

-USA: 100 k
-Canada: ?


Total for those relases: 2.000.000 copies
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:09 am

Well, there I have ended up my break down. Some of those numbers can seem high, and other ones low, but I left them as an idea about Queen real sales:

Queen: 1.500.000
Queen 2: 1.000.000
Sheer heart attck: 2.000.000
A night at the opera: 8.000.000
A day at the races: 3.500.000
News of the world: 7.500.000
Jazz: 3.500.000
Live killers: 3.500.000
The game: 7.000.000
Flash Gordon: 2.000.000
Hot space: 3.000.000
The works: 4.500.000
A kind of magic: 5.000.000
Live magic: 2.000.000
The miracle: 4.000.000
Innuendo: 5.000.000
Live at wembley: 3.500.000
Made in heaven: 7.500.000
Queen on fire: 500.000
Greatest hits 1: 23.000.000
Greatest hits 2: 18.000.000
Greatest hits 3: 2.500.000
Greatest hits 1 and Greatest hits 2: 2.000.000
Platinium collection: 4.000.000
Queen rocks: 1.000.000
Other releases: 2.000.000

Total: 127.000.000 copies
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Postby cidermaster » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:06 pm

HUR,a very respectable research list indeed,Queen truely are one of the worlds biggest ever rock bands ever to walk the earth.

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Postby Basil » Wed Jul 26, 2006 1:26 pm

Yes, neatly researched HUR.

Conservative figures - makes such a change from fans of different artists always inflating estimates.

So around 120m albums. If we ever did know all the sales from every country (which we sadly never will) it may be a little more - but highly unlikely anything less!

We would all come up with slightly different estimates on each album here and there, but what's the point? The end total would be much the same.

Good stuff. :D
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:41 pm

cidermaster wrote:HUR,a very respectable research list indeed,Queen truely are one of the worlds biggest ever rock bands ever to walk the earth.

Cheers Cidermaster.
Thank you Cidermaster, you´re kind. And we agree about Queen. :D
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Postby HUR » Wed Jul 26, 2006 4:49 pm

Basil wrote:Yes, neatly researched HUR.

Conservative figures - makes such a change from fans of different artists always inflating estimates.

So around 120m albums. If we ever did know all the sales from every country (which we sadly never will) it may be a little more - but highly unlikely anything less!

We would all come up with slightly different estimates on each album here and there, but what's the point? The end total would be much the same.

Good stuff. :D
Thank you a lot for your reply, Basil. If you think that my work is fine (with all those works you´ve made), that is a good point for me to consider it OK.

About the total, I have to say that I made a little mistake when I added all those number. For that reason, the "real" total is about 127 millions copies.

It would be great to have club sales total for Queen Greatest hits 2 in UK. I have estimated 2,5 M for shop sales, and 0,3 M for music club sales. Maybe it´s more than that or maybe a little less.

Well, and it´s the same for Classic queen in USA, if it was available in those places. And of curse, I´m still waiting for CRIAA to upadate the Greatest hits and Classic queen shipment in Canada.
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Postby HUR » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:00 am

Well, some charts stats for Queen Greatest hits 1:

- In UK, it spent a massive 449 weeks (until 2000), peaking at number one during 4 weeks, and 23 at top ten. It was certified 11 platinum award at the beginning of 1992 when the album was at top ten. Thank to great Basil´s research, we know that its real sales are over 5.100.000 in that country. It was also 890 weeks at top 200, and is the most weeks album there. Really impressive.

-In USA, it was recently certified 8 platinum (for a shipment of over 8.000.000 copies). But I have the following numbers:

2002: in december it was certified 7 platinum.
2003: 300 k
2004: 399 k
2005: 416 k
2006 (until june): 206 k

And the re-release of 2004: 460 k

So combining the initial shipment with the soundscans, it gives a total of over 8.700.000 copies, but I don´t know how reliabe can be these "formula".

Besides, that album spent 280 weeks with re-release of 1992 (and 26 with the original version, and at least 8 weeks with the other one), and more than 400 weeks on the back catalog charts. It was also a top 50 with its three releases. So yes, again in this country, we are talking about an amazin album in term of real sales and charts facts.

- In Germany, it was also number one (2 weeks) in 1981, and 23 weeks at top ten. It was certified 3 platinum in 1993, and reached the number 28 on the charts in 1997.

Also number one in Netherlands (78 weeks on the charts), Switzerland, Austria, Spain, and other places. It was number 2 in Australia in 1981, and certified 13 platinum in 2004 (for 910.000 copies), platinum in Brazil, and was over 530.000 copies in Korea until 2002. Therefore, it seems to be a massive seller everywhere.
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Postby HUR » Thu Jul 27, 2006 7:17 am

Greatest hits 2:

- In UK, it spent 5 weeks at number one, 18 weeks at top ten, and a total of 106 weeks on the official charts. It was certified 4 platinum at the end of 1991, after 8 weeks on the charts. And in 2000, it was given 8 platinum, for a shipment of 2.400.000 copies, but real sales seems to be bigger. Only with the numbers of music week, it is on about 2500 k in UK.

- In Netherlands, it spent a total of 13 weeks at number one: 11 of them were in a row, between the end of 1991 and the beginning of 1992, and the other two were on May, 1992. It spent a massive 93 weeks on the charts, and was certified 5 platinum in 1997.

- In Switzerland, it was also big, spending 11 weeks at number one (9 of them in a row), and 53 weeks on the charts. It was also the best chart-running of 1992 (and surely the best selling album of the year)

-In Austria, it spent 3 weeks at number one in 1992 (2 on february, and the other on may), and 47 weeks on the charts. It was the best chart-running of the 90´. It was also given 4 platinum award.

-In Germany, it also had an incredible chart-running, but it couldn´t reach the number one. It spent 12 weeks at number 2 during 1992, and 45 weeks at top ten. It was the second best chart-running of the year. It was also certified 4 platinum in 1993, and reached the number 19 in 1997.

-In France, it spent 8 weeks at number one on compilation charts (I think that it would have been a number one album, if it had been let to be on the official charts), and certified diamond in 1992.

-In Italy, it reached also number one, and had sold over 1.000.000 copies until 1992.

-In Spain, it also spent 8 weeks at number one in 1992, and was certified 5 platinum in that same year.

-Also number one in Finland, Hungary, and number 2 in Sweden, number 4 in Norway.

Sales for these album are somewhere between 11 and 12 million copies in Europe.
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Postby EM64T » Sun Jul 30, 2006 1:51 pm

Hi everybody, I'm a hungarian Queen fan, with terrible english, sorry.
One question: I see HUR very nice wordwide-sales info, very happy, I find it.
Examplle: Jazz - 3,500,000 units
But not calculated ALL countries, then ~4,000,000 or ~4,500,000.
Thanks

please answer in simple sentence
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Postby HUR » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:09 pm

Hello, welcome to the forum.

About your question, I have to say that those numbers are worldwide estimations. In the particular case of "Jazz", I have estimated (with the numbers there) 3 M between Europe, USA, Canada, Australia, and Japan, and 500 k for the rest of the world. Maybe it´s too low, but I really don´t have an idea about how many copies it sold in other places. But the 3,5 M figure is an estimation worldwide, as of the rest of the albums. Besides, I have to remember that the numbers I left for Sweden or Australia are all my own estimations based on peak positions and weeks on the charts. Most of that information is not official.

There are other people at this forum who have worked on Queen back catalog. For example MJ Dangerous will be doing a break down like mine next soon. Other users here like Basil and Hanboo have already done such work. And of course, I put their works above mine.

On the other hand, no problem with your English, mine is not better anyway, as you can see.
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Postby Lawyeris » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:00 am

I have some questions to Basil, HUR or any otherQueen fan, who knows the answers:} So:
1. Official info says (for example, lots of Queen discography books, official Queen website, etc) that A day at the Races was released with highest (to that date) advance UK orders of half a million. So, how could it be, that ADATR was sold just 500.000 copies to this date in UK? So, maybe some people who ordered the album in advance, really didnt buy it, or this album bought just those, who ordered it in advance? But, I think, this is unbelievable and real sales of ADATR are much much bigger.
2. I'd like to ask MJDangerous about We will rock you. You have posted here the official chart positions of Queen singles in France since 1984. And what about non-official charts till 1984? What about We Will Rock You chart success in 1978? There are lots of official sources again, that claims WWRY was No 1 in France for 12 weeks in a row (or even more) - the maximum allowed number of weeks at No 1, and then it was replaced by... We are the champions. So, is this true and how exactly many weeks WWRY and WATC were at No 1 in France, when they were released for the first time?
By the way, talking about WWRY success in France, you forgot the KCPK PUB EVIAN REMIX, released in France, maybe Belgium too, in 2003, who was a massive hit there and was sold 614 k copies (http://www.oljo.de/eurochart_eu_chart/superhits.html - No 50). For those who dont remember it, WWRY was performed by lots of little kids:}
3. What about the facts, that Love of my life was No 1 for staggering 12 months in Argentina (maybe in Brazil?), and the other one – once in argentinian Top 10 album chart Queen had ...10 albums?
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Postby Lawyeris » Mon Jul 31, 2006 7:37 am

Basil wrote:UK sales 1984-2005.

Musicweek end of year charts provide the following "shop" sales that file chart returns. It doesn't include all shops (90%??). When I was retailing albums in the early 90's nobody ever asked for our sales figures. Record club sales are also excluded.

1986 - sold 1,463,000

What do you mean by this number in 1986? 'Cause EMI pointed that Queen in 1986 sold 1,774,991 albums in the UK alone.
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Postby Basil » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:15 am

Lawyeris wrote:
Basil wrote:UK sales 1984-2005.

Musicweek end of year charts provide the following "shop" sales that file chart returns. It doesn't include all shops (90%??). When I was retailing albums in the early 90's nobody ever asked for our sales figures. Record club sales are also excluded.

1986 - sold 1,463,000

What do you mean by this number in 1986? 'Cause EMI pointed that Queen in 1986 sold 1,774,991 albums in the UK alone.
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I would be interested to know the source of your 1986 figure.

For EMI it must mean a shipment figure and they wouldn't have access to every shop sale.

This would fit with the 1,463,000 figure we have from Music Week.

The Music Week figure is from all the shop sales reported for chart purposes. What it does NOT include is

some smaller shops and mail order outlets and record clubs.

This is why EMI's shipment figure is higher.

Also shipments in a calender year won't match sales anyway because the time lag between a copy shipping and actually being sold over the counter can be anything from a few days to a few years.

We have all the artists totals 1984-2005 on the thread

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=&start=0

Because Music Week figures don't cover all sales (maybe only 90%), all totals for all artists are probably higher - but this would make little difference to the actual order.

We just have to make the best we can from the figures available.
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Postby Basil » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:29 am

Lawyeris wrote:1. Official info says (for example, lots of Queen discography books, official Queen website, etc) that A day at the Races was released with highest (to that date) advance UK orders of half a million. So, how could it be, that ADATR was sold just 500.000 copies to this date in UK? So, maybe some people who ordered the album in advance, really didnt buy it, or this album bought just those, who ordered it in advance? But, I think, this is unbelievable and real sales of ADATR are much much bigger.
We just don't know sales of ADATR because the BPI certification is way out of date. We can only estimate the sale using end of year charts and such.

Advance orders are just orders from distributors who anticipate big initial sales. It's not 500,000 people ordering the copy specifically in shops.

Essentially advance orders are guesses. A Night at the Opera was a huge album, so ADATR was anticipated to sell well. In fact it DID sell really well - its just we don't know how many. It's chart performance was excellent certainly.

There are cases where the follow up to a big selling album fell disastrously short of expectations. Examples being

The Darkness 2nd album - lots of returned copies.

Fleetwood Mac's Tusk was way way down on Rumours.

Culture Club's follow up to Colour By Numbers didn't even reach number 1.

Dire Straits follow up to Brothers in Arms sold only a fraction of its predecessor.

Advance orders for these albums were huge and many came back again like boomerangs.

Alternatively a record can greatly exceed expectation and the pressing plants can't keep up.

All down to a fickle and unpredictable public. :wink: (us)
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Postby Basil » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:32 am

Lawyeris wrote:3. What about the facts, that Love of my life was No 1 for staggering 12 months in Argentina (maybe in Brazil?), and the other one – once in argentinian Top 10 album chart Queen had ...10 albums?
Yes Love of my Life was a huge hit in parts of South America.

Getting accurate sales from this region is "difficult".

However, we have many good members from South America in the forum who may be able to help - Fedepeti? AutomaticBR?
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Postby EM64T » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:44 am

All right, Master, thanks foreva :D
But my real english REALLY terrible, just I use this: http://www.metamorpho.hu
This is a word converter, english-hungarian (not hungarian-english) hihihi 8-)
Thank you for your cooperation, I write the sales info to hungarian Wikipedia.
See: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen
Thanks

PS: then Queen worldwide sales not 300m/250m/190m, but is 130-150 million, yes?
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Postby Lawyeris » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:59 am

Basil wrote:
Lawyeris wrote:
Basil wrote:UK sales 1984-2005.

Musicweek end of year charts provide the following "shop" sales that file chart returns. It doesn't include all shops (90%??). When I was retailing albums in the early 90's nobody ever asked for our sales figures. Record club sales are also excluded.

1986 - sold 1,463,000

What do you mean by this number in 1986? 'Cause EMI pointed that Queen in 1986 sold 1,774,991 albums in the UK alone.
Hi

I would be interested to know the source of your 1986 figure.

The source is "The complete guide to the music of Queen" by Peter K. Hogan, where it is said [page 105]:
"When the announcements of the nominees for that years (1987) BPI Awards were made, Queen didnt even get a mention. In retaliation EMI took out an ad in the event's official programme (and the music trade press) listing Queen's achievements during1986. It read as follows:
1) Queen sold 1,774,991 albums in the UK alone.
2) ....."
There were listed 32 major facts about Queen in that year. So, you can believe or not.
By the way, also it was written, during that year "The 1,828,375 th fan in UK bought a copy of Queens Greatest Hits." Maybe this would help you too.
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Postby nelson » Mon Jul 31, 2006 12:45 pm

Lawyeris wrote:1) Queen sold 1,774,991 albums in the UK alone.
2) ....."
Hi, I am interested in what's the next.
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Postby HUR » Mon Jul 31, 2006 4:30 pm

Lawyeris wrote:I have some questions to Basil, HUR or any otherQueen fan, who knows the answers:} So:
1. Official info says (for example, lots of Queen discography books, official Queen website, etc) that A day at the Races was released with highest (to that date) advance UK orders of half a million. So, how could it be, that ADATR was sold just 500.000 copies to this date in UK? So, maybe some people who ordered the album in advance, really didnt buy it, or this album bought just those, who ordered it in advance? But, I think, this is unbelievable and real sales of ADATR are much much bigger.
2. I'd like to ask MJDangerous about We will rock you. You have posted here the official chart positions of Queen singles in France since 1984. And what about non-official charts till 1984? What about We Will Rock You chart success in 1978? There are lots of official sources again, that claims WWRY was No 1 in France for 12 weeks in a row (or even more) - the maximum allowed number of weeks at No 1, and then it was replaced by... We are the champions. So, is this true and how exactly many weeks WWRY and WATC were at No 1 in France, when they were released for the first time?
By the way, talking about WWRY success in France, you forgot the KCPK PUB EVIAN REMIX, released in France, maybe Belgium too, in 2003, who was a massive hit there and was sold 614 k copies (http://www.oljo.de/eurochart_eu_chart/superhits.html - No 50). For those who dont remember it, WWRY was performed by lots of little kids:}
3. What about the facts, that Love of my life was No 1 for staggering 12 months in Argentina (maybe in Brazil?), and the other one – once in argentinian Top 10 album chart Queen had ...10 albums?
Hello.

Well, first of all, I have to remember again that my numbers were only estimations, not official numbers or somothing like that.

About "A day at the races", to be fair, there has to say that the advance orders were 650.000 copies (according to some sites, that is, over 0,5 M, as you said). But, as Basil claimed in the previous post, that was the shipment sent to stores, and mostly due to the success of "A night at the opera", and of curse, because the album was going to be released in December, when sales are bigger than in the rest of the year.

So in my case, I have estimated 0,5 copies because it had a very good chart-running, but nothing really big. It was at number 8 in the last 2 weeks of 1976, and number one in the first of 1977, when sales dacays a lot. Look at its chart-running:

Date: 25/12/1976 - Run: 8-8-*1*-3-3-6-11-15-22-30-31-27-32-34-27-39-44-39-41-43 (20/6/1 wks)

But it is a very decent back catalog saller.

Therefore, it´s hard to believe (at least for me) that "A day at the races" sold that many during that time, even though it reached number one. But maybe you´re right, who knows?. My numbers are not afficial, so how is your estimation for this album?.


About the real sales during 1986, the 1,4 figure is from music week, which counts the sales to the public. And the number of Emi, of 1,7 copies at that time, was for the shipment (as Basil also said). And again, in this case, Queen realesed a live album at the end of the year, "Live magic", and maybe the 1,7 M figure is for the shipment sent to store at the end 198 for this album, becasuse sales started to increase suddenly. But part of that shipment was probably sold at the beginning of 1987, when "Live magic" had a great chart-running (even though it had been realesed without any king of promotion and singles).

Look at the chart-running at the beginning of 1987:

5-*3*-4-4-10-10-7-8-9-11- 10-9-

Well, maybe this is the explanation.

And about the Pub Evian version of "We will rock you", MJ Dangerous did published its whole chart-running in the page 2 of this topic. And I also read that "we will rock" was 12 weeks or more in 1977, but I haven´t confirmed. And it´s the same for "Love of my life" in Argentina and Brazil, but it´s so hard to get that information.

All I know from that time, taken from magazines, is that "The game" was number one in Argentina, and became one of the best selling foreign album in that country. Quees is really big in Argentina, from the 90´ to 2001, they had sold over 800.000 copies only in cd´s, and they are the second only to Beatles. In Mexico, "The game" had sold about 200.000 copies until 1981, as I read in several magazine or information that people gave me, but I don´t know how official we can consider this information. Sadly for Queen, they were very popular in some countries (like Argentina, Brazil, Korea, South Africa, and others) where there is no official information available.
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