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Postby cham » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:34 pm

Eagles went up from 29 million to 38 million albums!!! That's almost 10 million albums!!!
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Postby cham » Sat Aug 25, 2018 4:49 pm

thebigham wrote:Epic's counter move...

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab ... ch_section

MICHAEL JACKSON
Title: THE ESSENTIAL MICHAEL JACKSON
Certification Date: August 23, 2018
Label: EPIC/LEGACY
Format: ALBUM
SHARE MORE DETAILS
4xP

Title: HISTORY: PAST, PRESENT & FUTURE BOOK I
Certification Date: August 23, 2018
Label: EPIC
Format: ALBUM
8xP

MICHAEL JACKSON
Title: DANGEROUS
Certification Date: August 23, 2018
Label: EPIC
Format: ALBUM
8xP

WHY NOT Number Ones????
EXACTLY.....where's Number Ones?
May be we will get something on MJ's birthday this 29th. And we knew Dangerous was 8X so long ago aren't we? And same with History.
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Postby Kevinmakeme » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:18 pm

So, for example, 'Billie Jean' has the following RIAA certifications:
5x Platinum - Digital
Gold - Mastertone
Platinum - Physical

Why don't they put them all in one certification together?

Can you guys explain this?
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Postby cham » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:52 pm

Kevinmakeme wrote:So, for example, 'Billie Jean' has the following RIAA certifications:
5x Platinum - Digital
Gold - Mastertone
Platinum - Physical

Why don't they put them all in one certification together?

Can you guys explain this?
6X platinum is for Digital Downloads.
It's still 1X certified for Physical singles according to RIAA.
Certified Gold for Mastertone or Ringtones.
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Postby Musicology » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:54 pm

cham wrote:
Kevinmakeme wrote:So, for example, 'Billie Jean' has the following RIAA certifications:
5x Platinum - Digital
Gold - Mastertone
Platinum - Physical

Why don't they put them all in one certification together?

Can you guys explain this?
6X platinum is for Digital Downloads.
It's still 1X certified for Physical singles according to RIAA.
But why don't they combine the two to have a 7X platinum?
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Postby cham » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:58 pm

Yes. They can combine digital and physical. Last certification for physical single is done in 1989. So I guess record label has to provide numbers.
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Postby Musicology » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:01 pm

^ It makes things more confusing having separate certifications for physical and digital sales.
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Postby BadMan125 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 1:23 am

I don't think they can combine physical and digital though...
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Postby cham » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:36 am

BadMan125 wrote:I don't think they can combine physical and digital though...
Why not? They combine album sales each week. Even count the streamings!!
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Postby marcsgirl85 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:18 am

eventually they will re calibrate the rules again as they seem to every five or ten years as music consumption evolves
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Postby Jason80 » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:55 pm

I think that combining the different formats would be questionable because they are also different in terms of Revenue. 1 physical Vinyl-/Cassete-/CD-Single was much more expensive than a Song Download or the Revenue generated by 150 streams (what the RIAA today classifies as 1 sale). I presume that a physical Platinum Certification in the old days equals at least 3 Digital Platinum Certs.

However the RIAA does indeed combine the Single Certifications on their Artist Tallies site.

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?adv ... ch_section

The apples with pears comparison is very clear here if you look at the fact that the super successful Elvis Presley has 50,5 Platinum (all physical) Certs and the leading Artist drake has 148 x Platinum (all digital)...
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Postby LonelyDreamer » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:39 am

BIRTHDAY EFFECT: MJ rose 54 positions on the iTunes Global Digital Artist Ranking (currently at #17).

Album: Number Ones
iTunes:
#2 Austria
#2 Germany
#4 Mongolia
#10 Azerbaijan
#11 Moldova
#12 Sri Lanka
#17 Kazakhstan
#19 Niger
#20 Hungary
#21 Kenya
#21 Laos
#22 Turkmenistan
#23 United Arab Emirates
#24 Ukraine
#27 Colombia
#27 Costa Rica
#29 Armenia
#29 Belarus
#29 Switzerland
#30 United Kingdom
#30 Uganda
#30 Uzbekistan
#32 Chile
#33 El Salvador
#33 Latvia
#34 Australia
#35 Ecuador
#37 Romania
#37 Trinidad and Tobago
#40 Estonia
#40 Jordan
#40 Nicaragua
#40 Peru
#45 Lebanon
#46 Cape Verde
#46 Slovenia
#48 Slovakia
#49 Czech Republic
#49 Israel
#49 Lithuania
#49 Poland
#50 Bahrain
#50 Cyprus
#72 Singapore
#79 Russia
#82 Canada
#85 United States
#90 Taiwan
#123 Brazil
#124 Spain
#127 Ireland
#146 India
#200 Thailand

Album: The Essential Michael Jackson
iTunes:
#9 New Zealand
#14 Australia
#18 Uzbekistan
#19 Mexico
#19 Netherlands
#20 Switzerland
#21 Spain
#27 United Kingdom
#33 United States
#46 Oman
#49 France
#51 India
#133 Brazil
#177 Canada

Album: HIStory: Past, Present and Future, Book I
iTunes:
#6 Austria
#6 Germany
#8 Switzerland
#34 Italy
#48 Armenia
#65 Russia
#65 South Africa
#68 France
#147 India

Album: Thriller
iTunes:
#6 Kyrgyzstan
#9 Czech Republic
#10 Germany
#13 Switzerland
#34 Niger
#95 United States
#95 United Kingdom
#159 India
#165 Denmark
#181 Norway

Album: Michael Jackson's This Is It
iTunes:
#7 Germany
#16 Switzerland
#18 Cayman Islands
#19 Austria
#37 Luxembourg
#44 Greece
#93 Denmark
#175 Spain
#184 Italy

Album: Off the Wall
iTunes:
#2 Norway
#59 Germany
#73 Switzerland

Album: Dangerous
iTunes:
#2 Kyrgyzstan
#9 Germany
#13 Turkmenistan
#66 Russia
#67 Switzerland

Album: Bad
iTunes:
#17 Germany
#44 Switzerland
#131 Austria

Album: XSCAPE
iTunes:
#9 Uzbekistan
#14 Armenia
#23 Azerbaijan
#38 Cape Verde
#125 Taiwan
#169 Hong Kong
#192 Singapore
#193 Thailand

Album: The Very Best of Michael Jackson with The Jackson 5
iTunes:
#95 Germany
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Postby LonelyDreamer » Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:40 am

Several songs charting as well, even "Michael Jackson x Mark Ronson: Diamonds are Invincible" Remix:

#1 Slovenia
#9 Romania
#16 Brazil
#22 Netherlands
#26 United Kingdom
#27 Spain
#42 Hong Kong
#51 Denmark
#51 Taiwan
#97 Ireland
#189 Italy
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Postby amit1234 » Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:34 am

“We’re constantly scouring the catalog for ideas, but there are no plans at the moment to put any more full-fledged albums out,” said Sony Music Chief Executive Rob Stringer. “We are looking at one-off songs, and in this streaming world that works because it’s a track-based world. There are a few gems out there that we may unearth individually over the next months and years, but we're also very, very careful to make sure the fan base doesn’t feel like they've been asked yet again to buy material they have.”

Jackson’s digital catalog has continued to perform well since his death and shows no signs of fatigue. The week before his birthday, the Recording Industry Assn. of America announced that 21 of Jackson’s songs and three of his albums had earned new gold and platinum certifications.

It’s that robust presence on music streaming services that inspired last year’s “Scream.”
Themed around Jackson’s love of the frightful and fantastical, “Scream” packaged the singer’s most haunting music for a compilation that along with the 3-D conversion of his seminal “Thriller” long-form music video and an animated CBS special aimed to position Jackson as a Halloween perennial.
The compilation’s performance as a curated playlist on music services informed the label’s decision to favor leveraging Jackson’s back catalog digitally over finding shrewd ways to package music for physical releases.

“We are very careful about repacking and extremely cognizant of the fan base that has everything,” Stringer said. ”What's interesting with Michael is that not all artists have managed to bridge the gaps from the physical world to the iTunes world to the streaming world, but with Michael that's not the case. His streaming numbers are incredible.

“The technology at the moment enables us to do something different and highlight different songs and create concepts that will lead people to a greater understanding of the wider catalog of Michael’s work.”

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-michael-jackson-estate-20180829-story.html
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Postby thebigham » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:43 am

https://www.billboard.com/articles/colu ... n-thriller

Billboard 200 Chart Moves: Eagles' 'Greatest Hits' Gains, Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' Returns
by Keith Caulfield 8/31/2018

— Michael Jackson, Thriller – No. 135 — And, as for the King of Pop, his former No. 1 album Thriller jumps back onto the tally at No. 135 — its first visit to the list since May 19, and highest rank since April 7 (when it also placed at No. 135). Thriller earned 7,000 units in the week ending Aug. 23 (up 330 percent), with 2,000 of that sum from traditional album sales (up 30 percent).
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Postby amit1234 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 2:49 am

August 23, 2018 | Gold & Platinum

Michael Jackson’s Catalogue Garners Major New Gold & Platinum Awards

21 Songs and 3 Albums From the King of Pop Earn New Certifications Leading Into Diamond Celebration Of His Birthday

Washington/New York – A week before the worldwide Diamond Celebration of Michael Jackson’s birthday (August 29th), the popularity of the iconic artist and his extensive catalogue shows no sign of slowing down. The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) announced today that 21 different songs and three albums, spanning Jackson’s career, have garnered major new Gold and Platinum certifications.

Some of Jackson’s more renown albums and songs are newly multi-Platinum, while other songs are earning Gold status for the first time, demonstrating the enduring interest in Jackson’s extensive catalogue. The new song awards mean that Michael Jackson enjoys 40 million cumulative digital singles certifications in the US.

“These new awards highlight the enduring legacy of Michael Jackson,” said Mitch Glazier, President, RIAA. “Michael’s music continues to be a dominant cultural force today. That’s a testament to his iconic music and to the team that astutely protects his legacy. As we celebrate 60 years of Gold and Platinum Awards this year, we are proud to recognize once again one of the program’s signature artists.”

“Michael Jackson’s music and short films continue to thrill fans and inspire artists all over the world. These new certifications are a testament to Michael’s continued legacy,” Richard Story, President CMG, Sony Music Entertainment.

“Michael’s music and spirit has proved exciting and relevant to each succeeding generation, and that is borne out by these tremendous numbers and the kinds of artists who gravitate to and are inspired by his music,“ noted John Branca and John McClain, the co-executors of the Estate of Michael Jackson.

New Album Certifications

Dangerous 8x multi-Platinum
History: Past, Present & Future Book 1 8x multi-Platinum
The Essential Michael Jackson 4x multi-Platinum
New Song Certifications

Thriller 6x multi-Platinum
Billie Jean 5x multi-Platinum
Beat It 4x multi-Platinum
Man In The Mirror 3x multi-Platinum
Smooth Criminal 2x multi-Platinum
Don’t Stop ’til You Get Enough 3x multi-Platinum
The Way You Make Me Feel 2x multi-Platinum
Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing) 2x multi-Platinum
Black Or White 2x multi-Platinum
Rock With You 2x multi-Platinum
Bad Platinum
Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’ Platinum
Dirty Diana Platinum
Human Nature Platinum
Remember The Time Platinum
They Don’t Care About Us Gold
You Rock My World Gold
Will You Be There Platinum
Hold My Hand Gold
Earth Song Gold
Off The Wall Platinum

https://www.riaa.com/michael-jacksons-catalogue-garners-major-new-gold-platinum-awards/
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Postby amit1234 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 3:13 am

cham wrote:Does anybody noticed the best selling album in history is now the Eagles Greatest Hits album with 38X million units!!! How the hell that happened??
According to John Branca, Sony has asked the RIAA to investigate since Thriller has outscanned The Eagles Greatest Hits by a wide margin and MJ’s streaming #’s are triple that of The Eagles. Let’s see where that goes.

One thing is for sure - The Eagles Greatest Hits did not sell or stream enough units to account for an additional 10 million in sales. That’s the equivalent of what Adele’s last album 25 sold in the States and that was a monster.
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Postby BadMan125 » Sat Sep 01, 2018 7:57 am

Interesting that Sony is asking the RIAA to investigate. This COULD get very interesting...
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Postby cham » Sun Sep 02, 2018 8:16 am

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cham wrote:Does anybody noticed the best selling album in history is now the Eagles Greatest Hits album with 38X million units!!! How the hell that happened??
According to John Branca, Sony has asked the RIAA to investigate since Thriller has outscanned The Eagles Greatest Hits by a wide margin and MJ’s streaming #’s are triple that of The Eagles. Let’s see where that goes.

One thing is for sure - The Eagles Greatest Hits did not sell or stream enough units to account for an additional 10 million in sales. That’s the equivalent of what Adele’s last album 25 sold in the States and that was a monster.
There's no way Eagles' GH could sell 10 million in 8 to 9 year span. It never appeared on Catalog albums chart consistently. And album like Bob Marley's Legend which appear every chart week consistently has only sold 15 million in US. And Eagles has couple of GH albums and the one which has sold 38M doesn't even has their greatest his Hotel California and there's no way this album could sell 9M in 10 years.
Thriller has sold about 4 million since MJ's death and that was Huge boost and it took the death of MJ to sell that much while Eagles' has sold 10 million without even going a tour!!! How could that be possible?? Prince has only sold 2.3 million albums within a year since his death AND that number includes all of his albums While Eagles' one album GH alone sell 9M just like that!
Remember it was Billboard and RIAA who declare Thriller is 33X platinum and is the best selling album in US just after MJ's death so if they hadn't had counted Eagles numbers then then they couldn't declare Thriller as the best selling album.
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Postby jimcastor » Sun Sep 02, 2018 6:56 pm

cham wrote:
amit1234 wrote:
cham wrote:Does anybody noticed the best selling album in history is now the Eagles Greatest Hits album with 38X million units!!! How the hell that happened??
According to John Branca, Sony has asked the RIAA to investigate since Thriller has outscanned The Eagles Greatest Hits by a wide margin and MJ’s streaming #’s are triple that of The Eagles. Let’s see where that goes.

One thing is for sure - The Eagles Greatest Hits did not sell or stream enough units to account for an additional 10 million in sales. That’s the equivalent of what Adele’s last album 25 sold in the States and that was a monster.
There's no way Eagles' GH could sell 10 million in 8 to 9 year span. It never appeared on Catalog albums chart consistently. And album like Bob Marley's Legend which appear every chart week consistently has only sold 15 million in US. And Eagles has couple of GH albums and the one which has sold 38M doesn't even has their greatest his Hotel California and there's no way this album could sell 9M in 10 years.
Thriller has sold about 4 million since MJ's death and that was Huge boost and it took the death of MJ to sell that much while Eagles' has sold 10 million without even going a tour!!! How could that be possible?? Prince has only sold 2.3 million albums within a year since his death AND that number includes all of his albums While Eagles' one album GH alone sell 9M just like that!
Remember it was Billboard and RIAA who declare Thriller is 33X platinum and is the best selling album in US just after MJ's death so if they hadn't had counted Eagles numbers then then they couldn't declare Thriller as the best selling album.
RIAA's Jonathan Larry gave a completely evasive response when he was asked where they found 9 million extra units for Eagles GH.
They are not willing to disclose how they calculated and what exactly they counted and they say they revised the certification based
on the entire certification period, starting when the album was released which is like saying out certifications were inaccurate in the past
but now they are accurate, trust us.

Here's Larry's email. Clearly RIAA has something to hide.
That they go back and revise certifications is also fishy. What does that tell about their credibility?
Basically that means out previous certifications were accurate but are current one is accurate, trust us.

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Here's a recording of what Branca said.

"This new certification for the Eagles album is completely bogus"
"There is zero chance Eagles outsold Thriller"


He cited SoundScan which clearly shows Thriller ahead.
Add the fact that Thriller outstreams Eagles GH on all major platforms and how could RIAA find millions more units
above Thriller?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... WTtqYHKyEk

I bet Irving Azoff is behind this ****. He financed MJ's rival for the ATV catalog purchase and leaked negative stories
to the press about MJ to curb Thriller's sales. He talked about overtaking Thriller in the past. He is Eagles' manager and
Billboard called him in 2012 the most powerful men in the music industry.
He also does not answer questions about these certificates on twitter.
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Postby BadMan125 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 1:02 am

The mess with RIAA in general is why Soundscan was created in the first place.
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Postby amit1234 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 3:57 am

Chris (the bigham) - Whay do you think? You follow RIAA certifications more closely than anyone. Anything look fishy to you regarding The Eagles certification?
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Postby Tansike » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:36 am

Swiss Album Charts

44 (RE) 69 HIStory: Past, Present And Future - Book I
46 (RE) 52 Thriller <6xP>
47 (RE) 35 Number Ones <G>
75 (RE) 63 Bad
97 (RE) 47 This Is It

What a strong effect from his birthday :o
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Postby thebigham » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:18 pm

amit1234 wrote:Chris (the bigham) - Whay do you think? You follow RIAA certifications more closely than anyone. Anything look fishy to you regarding The Eagles certification?
Probably, but there is nothing we can do about it.

It was certified 38xP and we just have to deal with it.

Garth Brooks knows the RIAA tricks. The Eagles now do too.

Maybe if The Eagles had kept their albums updated with the RIAA on a regular basis, it would not have come as such a shock.
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Postby cham » Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:49 pm

thebigham wrote:
amit1234 wrote:Chris (the bigham) - Whay do you think? You follow RIAA certifications more closely than anyone. Anything look fishy to you regarding The Eagles certification?
Probably, but there is nothing we can do about it.

It was certified 38xP and we just have to deal with it.

Garth Brooks knows the RIAA tricks. The Eagles now do too.

Maybe if The Eagles had kept their albums updated with the RIAA on a regular basis, it would not have come as such a shock.
WoW! I really surprise to hear something like this from you. So why do you think all those people RIAA, Soundscan, Billboard claimed Thriller is certified 29X and declared it as the #1 selling album in US just after MJ's death?? Do you think they didn't know Eagles' GH album sales by then? to declare it?? Or do you think they are such armatures!?
It confirmed Eagles' album was certified 28X by then and how the heck it sold another 9Million since then?? They are an old act and they have old fan base. Also their fans are traditional album buyers..even MJ's fans are traditional album buyers.
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