Janet Jackson :: Charts & Sales History

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Postby babyshower » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:16 pm

I don't think any of her first two albums are anywhere close GOLD in the U.S.. Maybe the self titled album is the closest one.

How much has her tour grossed so far, by the way?
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Postby nympho » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:25 pm

babyshower wrote:
How much has her tour grossed so far, by the way?
Billboard has reported 16 dates. Total of those 16 is:

$10,276,038
137,194 / 184,935 (74.18%)
Average Ticket Price: $74.90
Average Gross: $642,252
Average Attendance: 8,574

Additionally, two dates from Pollstar not reported from Billboard (yet) have been posted here;
San Diego - 8,004 / 9,636 - $620,967 (83%)
St. Louis - 6,894 / 7,440 - $436,425 (92%)

Some of the figures from Pollstar posted here weeks ago were different from the ones that Billboard has posted now... So, not sure if those two will be the same or different once Billboard reports them.

Anyway, adding those two to the 16 Billboard has reported:

Total (18 dates):
$11,333,430
152,092 / 202,011 (75.28%)
Average Ticket Price: $74.51
Average Gross: $629,635
Average Attendance: 8,449

lovedeluxe wrote:Considering the lack of promo and how unreliable the last few years of touring has been, not that bad at all.
I'm sorry... I'm a big Janet fan, but some of these boxscores are not bad... they're terrible:

Fresno 60% sold out
San Antonio 50% sold out
Austin 47% sold out
Tulsa 38.7% sold out :-?

Not to mention... Albuquerque show.
$478,130 12,295 / 15,003
478k with 12k people? Average ticket Price there is $38.88. :-?
Prices for that show, according to Billboard Boxscore went fro, $135.95 to $35.95.

I don't know what the hell happened there... Either there's something wrong with those figures, or maybe there was lots of free tickets to fill the arena, thus the good attendance but very low boxscore, or there was a big 2x1 ticket promotion or something like that...

I know she hasn't promoted this, and that she has not released an album recently. But someone like her cannot have a show with only 38% of the tickets sold out. It's a shame.
Her team or the tour promoter are obviosly not doing their job right. You cannot book 12k people arenas in every city. There's not such demand. They should have studied the situation before booking those venues. Book theatres or halls for 5k people or even do two or three nights in venues with a 2k people capacity. And, if they see a show is going to flop big time, they can always change the venue.
They're obviosuly losing money with those shows...
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Postby TIfan » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:34 pm

Its quite obvious what happened. Her Unbreakable tour was 80% sold out, and it was suppose to be her comeback tour. She then had to postpone due to giving birth. She renamed the tour (for no reason to be honest), and she did not promote her new tour.
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Postby Wayne » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:33 pm

162 Janet Jackson Air Canada Centre Toronto, Ontario Nov. 3, 2017 $681,652 12,178 /
12,178 1 / 1 $113.01, $97.42, $54.17, $11.69 Live Nation
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Postby nympho » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:12 pm

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Total Boxscore - 21 dates (17 reported by Billboard, 4 from Pollstar)
$12,528,250
173,259 / 237,757 (72.87%)

$596,583 average gross
8,250 average attendance
$72.30 average ticket price
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Postby lovedeluxe » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:53 pm

babyshower wrote:I don't think any of her first two albums are anywhere close GOLD in the U.S.. Maybe the self titled album is the closest one.

How much has her tour grossed so far, by the way?
It's been suggested that is sold 250k in 1982/1993.

It has scanned around 50k since 1991 and 82k BMG Music Club = 132k from SoundScan and BMG Music Club. It could be safe to say that the album has shipped another 370k over the last 35 years.

"Dream Street" probably not. "Janet Jackson" is probably gold or close.
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Postby 88marcus88 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:41 am

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Japan certifications by RIAJ:

1989 Rhythm Nation 1814 – Gold
1993 Janet. – Platinum
1995 Design of a Decade 1986-1996 - Platinum
1997 The Velvet Rope – Platinum
2001 All for You – 3x Platinum
2004 Damita Jo – Gold
2006 20 Y.O. – Gold

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Postby TIfan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:16 pm

So random, but the fact that Velvet Rope only had 2 top 10 hits, and sold 4 million is super impressive. Especially comparing to "janet." which had 6 top 10s and sold 9 million.
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Postby MrLeonix » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:25 pm

TIfan wrote:So random, but the fact that Velvet Rope only had 2 top 10 hits, and sold 4 million is super impressive
Why is it impressive?
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Postby TIfan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:34 pm

MrLeonix wrote:
TIfan wrote:So random, but the fact that Velvet Rope only had 2 top 10 hits, and sold 4 million is super impressive
Why is it impressive?
Control,RN, and Janet all sold well based on the amount of hits.
Janet was facing a backlash for her open support for gays, and S&M themes. One top of it all, she only had 2 top 10's from VR which was not common for her, but still did 4 million in US. To me, that is impressive.

BTW, I do not care to read about what this artist sold, or that artist sold. This is about Janet.
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Postby MrLeonix » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:42 pm

^ I mean it had all the hype from her previous era, a huge #1 hit single and it was the 90s.
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Postby TIfan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:05 pm

MrLeonix wrote:^ I mean it had all the hype from her previous era, a huge #1 hit single and it was the 90s.
1 #1 single does not guarantee anything. Together Again is her biggest hit around the world, but definitely not her biggest in US. It sold well, but Janet was known for her more Urban sounds. A dance-pop hit from Janet did someone push her urban fans away, but she brought it back home with the R&B monster "I Get Lonely." In terms of her urban fan base, most remember "I Get Lonely" before they remember "Together Again."
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Postby BlueScorpion » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:21 am

True. I Get Lonely and the Blackstreet remix is far more remembered in the US than Together Again. Europe happens to be more friendly of pop-dance songs so I understand how this one stuck.
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Postby lovedeluxe » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:23 pm

BlueScorpion wrote:True. I Get Lonely and the Blackstreet remix is far more remembered in the US than Together Again. Europe happens to be more friendly of pop-dance songs so I understand how this one stuck.
I 100% disagree. I am American. "Together Again" is a mega-classic and a lot bigger than "I Get Lonely". Not sure where you got that idea from. "TA" spent almost 50 weeks on the Hot 100 and also scanned more than "IGL". No truth to the Blackstreet remix being far more remembered. I just saw her tour the other day and everyone went crazy over "Together Again". Probably the highlight of the entire show.
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Postby valchiu » Sun Nov 19, 2017 2:40 pm

She never was a tickets seller but when all is said and done, this tour will gross a total of $25-30 millions, which is a very little sum for 56 dates. Even less than what she used to gross in the '90s with a 50% inflation than now.

The Rhythm Nation World Tour (1990 – 113 shows) = $65 m
Janet World Tour (1993-1995 – 123 shows) = ∼ $50 m
The Velvet Rope Tour (1998-1999, 125 shows) = $139 m
All for you Tour (2001-2002, 73 shows) = $48.1 m
Rock Withchu Tour (2008, 16 shows) = $11.7 m
Number Ones Tour (2011, 81 shows) = $26.5 m
Unbreakable World Tour (2015-2016, 37 shows) = $15 m
State of the World Tour (2017, 56 shows) = $12.5 m (so far from 21 shows…)
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Postby LostAvenger » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:25 pm

TIfan wrote:
MrLeonix wrote:^ I mean it had all the hype from her previous era, a huge #1 hit single and it was the 90s.
1 #1 single does not guarantee anything. Together Again is her biggest hit around the world, but definitely not her biggest in US. It sold well, but Janet was known for her more Urban sounds. A dance-pop hit from Janet did someone push her urban fans away, but she brought it back home with the R&B monster "I Get Lonely." In terms of her urban fan base, most remember "I Get Lonely" before they remember "Together Again."
That's why the Deeper Remix of Together Again was pushed to Urban radio & even had a music video shot.
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Postby LostAvenger » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:27 pm

TIfan wrote:So random, but the fact that Velvet Rope only had 2 top 10 hits, and sold 4 million is super impressive. Especially comparing to "janet." which had 6 top 10s and sold 9 million.
You know if Got Til It's Gone & Go Deep were released as physical singles, they would have gone top ten too. They went to #1 on Urban radio.
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Postby Westen » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:33 pm

LostAvenger wrote:
TIfan wrote:So random, but the fact that Velvet Rope only had 2 top 10 hits, and sold 4 million is super impressive. Especially comparing to "janet." which had 6 top 10s and sold 9 million.
You know if Got Til It's Gone & Go Deep were released as physical singles, they would have gone top ten too. They went to #1 on Urban radio.
I don't think so. I think label didn't release them because they would've missed top 10 and ruin her streak, it also pushed album sales more.
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Postby Wayne » Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:40 pm

valchiu wrote:The Velvet Rope Tour (1998-1999, 125 shows) = $139m
Where did you get a $139m figure from?

She grossed $33.1m in 1998 from her North American dates (which comprised half of the tour). She definitely didn't then gross $106m from the remaining 63 dates.
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Postby lovedeluxe » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:36 pm

If she did the Mariah Carey trick of the 49 cent single GTIG and Go Deep would have been top 5 and IGL would have been #1.
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Postby MrLeonix » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:55 pm

Wayne wrote:
valchiu wrote:The Velvet Rope Tour (1998-1999, 125 shows) = $139m
Where did you get a $139m figure from?

She grossed $33.1m in 1998 from her North American dates (which comprised half of the tour). She definitely didn't then gross $106m from the remaining 63 dates.
+1 exactly

I don't think Janet ever pulled a + $100m tour / show to be honest.
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Postby Wayne » Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:23 am

matheusbelmont wrote:Image
Pretty lousy grosses.
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Postby gabrielflorin01 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:07 am

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All for You
13 (chart-run unkown)

Son of a Gun
91 - 92 - 72 - 62 - 54 - 55 - 63 - 78 - 92

Just a Little While
100 - 95* - 93 - 87 - 93 - 85* - 70 - 67 - 61 - 55 - 51 - 57 - 62 - 66 - 74 - 78 - 84

All Nite
89 - 50 - 53 - 41 - 35 - 21 - 38 - 28 - 44 - 32 - 40 - 40 - 41 - 48 - 25 - 27 - 24 - 29 - 33 - 38 - 37 - 31 - 33 - 38 - 47 - 57 - 42 - 53 - 64 - 66 - 76 - 71 - 72

Call On Me
90 - 94 - 82 - unkown

Feedback
98 - 76 - 63 - 71* - 55 - 36 - 43 - 81 - 68 - 55 - 69 - 95 - 95 - 100

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Postby nympho » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:57 am

From Billboard Boxscore:

59 Janet Jackson Bridgestone Arena Nashville, Tenn. Dec. 7, 2017 $516,269 8,815 / 8,815 1 / 1 $125, $29.50 Live Nation

Is it the first sold out show of the tour so far (reported by Billboard).

I think the boxscore from 25 shows reported (18 from Billboard and 7 from Pollstar) is:

$14,665,169
205,429 / 271,895 (75.55%)

Average Gross: $586,607
Average Attendance: 8,217
Average Ticket Price: $71,39

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Postby TIfan » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:17 pm

I will do my own estimates soon, but right now, I am predicting...

Janet Jackson= 500,000
Dreamstreet= 500,000
Control= 10,000,000
Rhythm Nation= 12,000,000
janet.= 14,000,000
janet. Remix= 500,000
Design of a Decade= 9,000,000
Vevet Rope= 8,000,000
All For You= 6,500,000
Damita Jo= 2,000,000
20 Y.O.= 1,100,000
Discipline= 850,000
Number Ones= 900,000
Unbreakable= 450,000

total= 66,300,000 albums

I will take time to do some real estimations. Will take some time, but I want to give a stab at it.
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