Kesha Allegedly Sexually Abused By Dr Luke, Sues Sony

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Postby MrLeonix » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:39 am

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spiritboy wrote:From all the artists he worked with, we understand that he is a vile man that's horribly difficult to work with. His character is disgusting. But i'll believe he's a rapist when they prove it or more artists come forward with rape allegations like people did with Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey. Maybe after these two, more people will come forward about Dr.Luke. He is a verbal abuser though and i don't know if it's punishable in US Justice System.
By this logic, one has to rape more than one person to be a raper?
Of course not, you become a rapist as soon as you rape one person, however rapists and predators show the same victim pattern as thieves or serial killers, they don't commit just one crime, there are high chances that a predator rapes / abuses again in the future, and chances increase when the predator is in a position of power, for example being a powerful producer, songwriter and executive in Hollywood and the music industry, do you have any idea about how many hundreds of naive girls who were aspiring singers, or background vocalists, crossed path with Dr.Luke in his office, or parties where drugs and alcohol were involved and he had the power to promise them a record deal, a contract, a hit song, a career? Predators use their power to abuse their vulnerable victims who are just pursuing their dreams . . . It is extremely unlikely that someone like Dr.Luke who had such power in the music industry could have only had just one victim ...... Thats why I find weird that there isn't more reports of sexual abuse against him at all if he is an alledged predator, there's gotta be more sexually abused girls don't you think? just like its happening with Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey.
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Postby BehindBreakaway » Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:41 am

Answer me this. What did Kesha have to gain from this? Why would ah put herself in a situation like that. As I said before. She has nothing to gain but everything to lose!

And that's stupid logic. The pattern you're talking about, those traits. Dr Luke had them. Manipulative, nasty, condescending. Just because no other victim has come forward. Doesn't mean he didn't do it. You keep asking for proof knowing full well she can't prove it.

I'm actually in shock that some people are so open about victim blaming.
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Postby MonkeyLover21 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:31 am

Many individuals are raped and they don't tell anyone for years. And just because others have not come out to talk about their abuse does not mean there aren't other victims. It depends on the person and if they are comfortable enough to share they are a victim of sexual assault. Some never do. I have a family member that went through this situation as a child and she didn't open up to anyone about until she was an adult with a family. Some on here can't make those ridiculous assumptions. I'm reading the comments and you can see why there are people that don't want to talk. I would also like to add there are some sexiest folks on here. Same people in different threads shaming women. It's sad.
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Postby Colbie » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:40 am

spiritboy wrote:From all the artists he worked with, we understand that he is a vile man that's horribly difficult to work with. His character is disgusting. But i'll believe he's a rapist when they prove it or more artists come forward with rape allegations like people did with Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey. Maybe after these two, more people will come forward about Dr.Luke. He is a verbal abuser though and i don't know if it's punishable in US Justice System.
So you also believe someone is a murderer when he/she has murdered multiple people?

MonkeyLover21 wrote:I'm reading the comments and you can see why there are people that don't want to talk.
This!
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Postby spiritboy » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:35 pm

Nobody is shaming anybody. Mr. Leonix and I simply refuse to believe he is a rapist until the allegations are proved, that's all.

If he was a sexual predator, we would've heard from other victims who were assaulted by him, like Weinstein and Kevin Spacey situation. So far no other artist came forward so it her word against his word. And i will not believe someone just because the victim is a female. So some of you stop bullying us just because we don't share your point of view. And no, i will never condone or approve sexual assault to anyone, male or female.

Today, her former security accused Mariah Carey of sexual harrassment and verbal abuse. Do i believe him? Nope, not until if he can prove what he claims.
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Postby BehindBreakaway » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:44 pm

Noone is bullying. Don't be childish. It's an adult debate. The thing people have a problem with is the fact you're saying he can't be a rapist unless he rapes more than one person, which is quite frankly ridiculous.
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Postby spiritboy » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:52 pm

I'm not saying that. Of course one becomes automatically a rapist the moment he/she sexually attacks someone. If he was sexual predator like he was depicted, there would be more victims. I know it's not easy for a rape victim to speak about the issue but since Kesha leaded the way, other victims could've joined or supported her, therefore giving her a more powerful hand in her case against Dr.Luke. And since Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson and P!nk worked with him and talked about how awful his personality was, none of them speak of a sexual abuse or rape. That is enough for me to believe that he didn't rape her until it's proved.
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Postby BehindBreakaway » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:58 pm

spiritboy wrote:I'm not saying that. Of course one becomes automatically a rapist the moment he/she sexually attacks someone. If he was sexual predator like he was depicted, there would be more victims. I know it's not easy for a rape victim to speak about the issue but since Kesha leaded the way, other victims could've joined or supported her, therefore giving her a more powerful hand in her case against Dr.Luke. And since Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson and P!nk worked with him and talked about how awful his personality was, none of them speak of a sexual abuse or rape. That is enough for me to believe that he didn't rape her until it's proved.
I completely understand that, however as I said Kesha really had nothing to gain from coming forward. Knowing how hard rape is to prove and doing it after having a number 1 hit. She had so much to lose. This could have buried her, I just don't think she would put herself in that position without it being true.
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Postby spiritboy » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:01 pm

BehindBreakaway wrote:
spiritboy wrote:I'm not saying that. Of course one becomes automatically a rapist the moment he/she sexually attacks someone. If he was sexual predator like he was depicted, there would be more victims. I know it's not easy for a rape victim to speak about the issue but since Kesha leaded the way, other victims could've joined or supported her, therefore giving her a more powerful hand in her case against Dr.Luke. And since Katy Perry, Kelly Clarkson and P!nk worked with him and talked about how awful his personality was, none of them speak of a sexual abuse or rape. That is enough for me to believe that he didn't rape her until it's proved.
I completely understand that, however as I said Kesha really had nothing to gain from coming forward. Knowing how hard rape is to prove and doing it after having a number 1 hit. She had so much to lose. This could have buried her, I just don't think she would put herself in that position without it being true.
I know. I hope she proves if it really did happen.
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Postby KokoCollino » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm

Hmmm I would really like to know why Kim Petras is working with him. Either she knows more (or thinks she knows more), or she wasn't in charge of the decision.
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Postby Debs_Wild » Tue May 01, 2018 4:06 am

KokoCollino wrote:Hmmm I would really like to know why Kim Petras is working with him. Either she knows more (or thinks she knows more), or she wasn't in charge of the decision.
Maybe Dr. Luke likes to swing both ways. :wink:
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Postby NothingFails » Tue May 01, 2018 3:55 pm

The Dr. Luke defense ("well, I like the music he produces") is precisely why Bill Cosby got away with raping women for 50 years and only had the tables turned on him when enough time had passed since his sitcom ended that we have adults who don't have nostalgia for him and could see a spade as a spade, whereas before now, people were too blind by the fact they were entertained by him in the past. This feels the same way with people refusing to distance Dr. Luke the man from the guy who produced songs they like.
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Postby Gravity » Tue May 01, 2018 6:05 pm

^^ same thing with R. Kelly.
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Postby Debs_Wild » Tue May 01, 2018 7:13 pm

The difference is that Bil Cosby & R. Kelly had many victims.

I believe Dr. Luke & Ke$ha simply had an affair / romance.
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Postby joiPrince_JO » Wed May 02, 2018 6:49 am

Debs_Wild wrote:The difference is that Bil Cosby & R. Kelly had many victims.

I believe Dr. Luke & Ke$ha simply had an affair / romance.
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Postby spiritboy » Wed May 02, 2018 10:59 am

Debs_Wild wrote:The difference is that Bil Cosby & R. Kelly had many victims.

I believe Dr. Luke & Ke$ha simply had an affair / romance.
We don't know what happened between them, it his word vs her word. But according to many artists he worked with, he's a vile and horrible person, that's what we know for sure.
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Postby BehindBreakaway » Thu May 03, 2018 12:39 am

:roll: :roll: :roll: I just can't even again with this thread...
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Postby spiritboy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:43 pm

This is getting messier and uglier. Kesha's text messages have been revealed in the court and she texted Gaga about "Katy Perry being raped by Dr.Luke". Wonder if Katy will make a statement or remain silent over this.
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Postby menime123 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 4:52 pm

spiritboy wrote:This is getting messier and uglier. Kesha's text messages have been revealed in the court and she texted Gaga about "Katy Perry being raped by Dr.Luke". Wonder if Katy will make a statement or remain silent over this.
Silent, I’d have thought. It has nothing to do with anyone and if it is true, for the court to reveal it is such a public violation. If it happened only Katy has the right to decide when or how she wants to address it. If it didn’t, she’s best not entering into the arena and just staying quiet - outing Kesha as a liar isn’t a good move at this stage imo.
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Postby Westen » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:07 pm

I read that Katy signed a deal long time ago that she cannot speak against Luke and that's why he asked for those messages to be released, because he knew Katy wouldn't say a thing.
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Postby spiritboy » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:34 pm

If so, maybe he can force her to speak against Kesha's allegations? In any case, poor Katy dragged into this mess.
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Postby Westen » Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:43 pm

I don't think that he can force her into speaking against Kesha, he knows what he's doing. Katy can't talk against him at all, and the fact that he urged for those messages to be released gives him a chance to spin this in court since Katy will remain silent.
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Postby menime123 » Thu Jun 14, 2018 9:07 pm

Katy can afford to talk about it though... I’m sure she can survive being sued - plus I’m not sure how legal it she signed a NDA that covered up a crime.
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Postby Mikerocha » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:05 am

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Postby tyguy723 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 2:20 am

This case...is just a bigger mess now... :(
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