HITS: Taylor Swift (1.4-1.5m SPS - 1.05m so far)

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Postby DnBLover » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:18 pm

That moment when Mariah fans actually think they are Mariah.
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Postby nympho » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:32 pm

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And yes, this may be my theory. But I studied marketing applied to the publishing industry, since I work in that field, And I know a thing or two about industry and production and I can tell you what I already said: nothing comes for free. Everything has a price, and someone has to pay that price. It's only logic that part of that increase in ticket's price is because of the bundle. Otherwise it wouldn't be economically sustainable. And believe me, industry in crisis like publishing and the music industry, can't really afford it.
Again, EVERYTHING that you get for free in your life, everything, has a price and somebody paid for it. It didn't fell from a tree... From a sample in the supermarket to a phone you win in a contest. Somebody paid for those. And it doesn't change the fact that the costumer gets them for free.

And, again, if you're claiming that the tickets are more expensive this tour partly because of this ticket bundle, then they should only be WHEN there's a CD bundle. Once it's over, they should be cheaper again. Otherwise, stop claiming they're more expensive because of that... or clearly they're stealing money to all those buying tickets from next week onwards to pay for the money they (Pink/promoter/label) lost by giving those albums for free on 1st week...

And I'll leave it here. We're not going to agree...
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Postby BlueScorpion » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:33 pm

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BlueScorpion wrote:
Teo wrote:they aren't getting those albums for free. Their tickets price is covering the album. That's why they paid 30-40% more the get a P!nk's ticket this time around.
Even if you hadn't paid that maybe the artist wouldn't be at loss? Just wondering.
Considering how much her tickets price went up, she'd be hardly at loss. As I said. It's not like random artists are doing this. Only big touring artists are because otherwise it's not profitable. You need to have high tickets price in order for this to work out.
I hadn't actually think about this (the fact older and/or huge touring acts engage in bundles). Makes sense to me. :)
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Postby nympho » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:35 pm

BlueScorpion wrote:
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BlueScorpion wrote:
Teo wrote:they aren't getting those albums for free. Their tickets price is covering the album. That's why they paid 30-40% more the get a P!nk's ticket this time around.
Even if you hadn't paid that maybe the artist wouldn't be at loss? Just wondering.
Considering how much her tickets price went up, she'd be hardly at loss. As I said. It's not like random artists are doing this. Only big touring artists are because otherwise it's not profitable. You need to have high tickets price in order for this to work out.
I hadn't actually think about this (the fact older and huge touring acts engage in bundles). Makes sense to me. :)
Kesha and Lana del Rey did it too recently for their US tours and they're not touring forces with expensive tickets, though...
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Postby BlueScorpion » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:38 pm

^ Really? Didn't know as I don't follow them. Thanks for checking. :)
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Postby Teo » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:47 pm

nympho wrote:
Teo wrote:
And yes, this may be my theory. But I studied marketing applied to the publishing industry, since I work in that field, And I know a thing or two about industry and production and I can tell you what I already said: nothing comes for free. Everything has a price, and someone has to pay that price. It's only logic that part of that increase in ticket's price is because of the bundle. Otherwise it wouldn't be economically sustainable. And believe me, industry in crisis like publishing and the music industry, can't really afford it.
Again, EVERYTHING that you get for free in your life, everything, has a price and somebody paid for it. It didn't fell from a tree... From a sample in the supermarket to a phone you win in a contest. Somebody paid for those. And it doesn't change the fact that the costumer gets them for free.

And, again, if you're claiming that the tickets are more expensive this tour partly because of this ticket bundle, then they should only be WHEN there's a CD bundle. Once it's over, they should be cheaper again. Otherwise, stop claiming they're more expensive because of that... or clearly they're stealing money to all those buying tickets from next week onwards to pay for the money they (Pink/promoter/label) lost by giving those albums for free on 1st week...

And I'll leave it here. We're not going to agree...
lol they are not stealing any money. They just decided to lose part of their income. Your whole claim was that those albums were for free: so that was my answer. By the way they are not forced to reduce the tickets price once the bundle is over, since they are actually earning from it part of the profit they lost before. Yeah, I would agree that it's not exactly fair to the people who'll buy tickets after the bundle is over, but so isn't fair the whole re-sale practise. Nobody is stealing anything. Besides, in P!nk's case, there won't be much tickets left after this week. If you look at ticketmaster, 70% of the tickets left are basically on re-sales. Nobody is forcing people to buy tickets. They come with a price and they can decide to buy them or not.

But yeah, agree to disagree, I guess.
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Postby Teo » Sat Oct 14, 2017 8:50 pm

BlueScorpion wrote:^ Really? Didn't know as I don't follow them. Thanks for checking. :)
Yes, there a few artists who are using bundles even without very high priced tickets. I guess it wuold be less profitable for them, but it's up to their marketing team. There are probably other cons for them. But usually we see big touring artists doing this, like Madonna years ago.
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Postby Nippian93 » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:06 pm

Amazing numbers for P!nk.
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Postby thebigham » Sat Oct 14, 2017 10:49 pm

When a female artist has an album bundle, it's a SCANDAL. :roll:

When a male artist/group has an album bundle, no one says a god damned word. :evil:
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Postby TIfan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:56 am

^^^ This s UKMix. Most care about divas. So many are extra critical. Everyone wants their diva to be on top, and their diva alone.
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Postby Shayonce » Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:52 am

p!nk have massive 44 US Tour dates, probably around 610k tickets.
usually around 30% goes ticket bundle, so around 180k If she sold out them all.
I guess around +150k for ticket bundle.

without bundle, she still could sell 180~200k pure which is same number as her 2013 album.
amazing. and considering she's getting great airplay all around world, the album will be fine in later.
she never had problems with airplay recent albums..
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Postby JSparksFan » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:07 am

JSparksFan wrote:I'm going to stay on the conservative end and say P!nk manages 80,000 her first week.
:lol: at me being off by so much!
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Postby tada » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:08 am

figure is huge! happy for her, i dont care about the bundles, you sell with what you have and can
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:13 am

Teo wrote:
nympho wrote:In fact, regarding all this “album price is included in the ticket price”, I’m thinking...
Since this ticket bundle is only effective for this week, if I buy my tickets next week or in two months, will my tickets be $10 cheaper? :lol: They should be, since they’re not giving me the album anymore and that price supossedly had the album included...
But we all know it won’t be like that and price will probably be the same without the album.
You can bet it will be the same, or even go up, since most of the tickets left will be on re-sale by then. The fact is: when you redeem your album, someone is paying for it. Nothing comes for free. The price shall be deducted from the amount you paid for that ticket, meaning someone will make less profit from it. It may be the artist, or the Tour production company, or maybe both, but still, nothing, nothing comes for free. It's pure marketing. I guess you can agree with it or disagree. But there's no doubt that someone is paying for those records, and that they are being sold.
Exactly - because the ticket selling company, the tour organizer and the record label are three different companies
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Postby DOSSOME » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:09 am

DOSSOME wrote:I voted 200k+
8-)
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Postby Wayne » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:14 am

DOSSOME wrote:
DOSSOME wrote:I voted 200k+
8-)
Come on now - you were still potentially 175k off. :lol:
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Postby DOSSOME » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:31 am

Wayne wrote:
DOSSOME wrote:
DOSSOME wrote:I voted 200k+
8-)
Come on now - you were still potentially 175k off. :lol:
And who's to say I wouldn't have voted 300k+ if there was that option? :lol:
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Postby Nippian93 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:49 am

I did not participate but would have voted 200 - 250k... SPS. Glad she is slaying.
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Postby Wayne » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:03 pm

NEW RELEASES:
WAY IN THE P!NK (UPDATE)


P!nk should land on top of our SPS chart on Friday with the fourth-largest debut YTD. Beautiful Trauma will also collect 2017's largest opening week for a female artist.

In other words: BIG.

P!nk (RCA) 360-385k SPS, 340-370k album

In news regarding trauma that is not so beautiful, we probably shouldn’t have chased the gin with Slivovitz.

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=308872
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Postby Goldmoney » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:05 pm

Phenomenal!
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Postby MusicLover88 » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:11 pm

Goldmoney wrote:Phenomenal!
Yew stan ha?
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Postby Goldmoney » Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:19 pm

Naw sis but pop sales like that keep my hopes up when the "forward-thinking, trendy" streaming audience would rather stan for some straight up trash like Post Malone or Cardi B.

Besides when I stan for someone, I'm never this reserved. I always have my ratchet phraseology on hand such as, "YASSSSS KWEEN! :cry:"
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Postby thebigham » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:09 am

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=308910

Tuesday, October 17, 2017

YOUR TOP 20: P!NK AND GREEN

P!nk will debut at #1 on both the SPS and Sales charts with the fourth largest debut of the year and biggest debut by a female this year, opening with a sizable ticket bundle.

1. *P!nk (RCA) 370-380k SPS, 350-360k Sales
2. *Gucci Mane (Atlantic) 62-67k, 17-19k
3. Post Malone (Republic) 44-48k, 4-5k
4. *Beck (Capitol) 41-45k, 34-37k
5. Lil Uzi Vert (Generation Now/Atlantic) 33-36k, <1k
6. A Boogie Wit Da Hoodie (Highbridge/Atlantic) 32-35k, <1k
7. Imagine Dragons (Kidinakorner/Interscope) 30-33k, 9-11k
8. Ed Sheeran (Atlantic) 29-32k, 8-9k
9. Lil Pump (Tha Lights Global/Warner Bros.) 26-29k, 1-2k
10. Khalid (Right Hand Music/RCA) 25-28k, 2-3k

11. Kendrick Lamar (TDE/Interscope) 25-28k, 4-5k
12. *Robert Plant (Nonesuch) 24-27k, 23-26k
13. *St. Vincent (Loma Vista/Concord) 21-24k, 19-22k
14. XXXTentacion (Bad Vibes Forever/Empire) 21-24k, <1k
15. Demi Lovato (Island/Safehouse/Hollywood) 19-22k, 5-6k
16. SZA (TDE/RCA) 19-22k, 2-3k
17. Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers (MCA) 18-21k, 9-11k
18. *Wu-Tang (36 Chamber/eOne) 18-21k, 14-16k
19. *Jessie James Decker (Epic) 18-21k, 16-18k
20. Kane Brown (RCA Nashville/Zone 4) 17-19k, 8-9k

*DEBUT
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Postby jszmiles » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:23 am

who did better in terms of debut sales in 2017 bar Ed?
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Postby Tansike » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:27 am

^ from oldbloke's 2017 YTD thread - United States topic:

oldbloke wrote:TOP SALES WEEKS 2017

Number of 100,000+ sales weeks: this year - 16 / last year - 29

Rank - Chart Date - Sales - Title - Artist

01 - 05-06-17 - 352,766 - DAMN. - Kendrick Lamar
02 - 03-25-17 - 322,307 - ÷ - Ed Sheeran
03 - 04-08-17 - 225,513 - MORE LIFE - Drake
04 - 05-27-17 - 202,154 - FROM A ROOM: VOLUME 1 - Chris Stapleton
05 - 05-27-17 - 195,993 - EVERYBODY - Logic
06 - 06-03-17 - 193,364 - HARRY STYLES - Harry Styles
07 - 07-29-17 - 173,728 - 4:44 - Jay-Z
08 - 04-29-17 - 166,044 - MEMORIES…DO NOT OPEN - Chainsmokers
09 - 07-01-17 - 162,071 - WITNESS - Katy Perry
10 - 06-03-17 - 138,780 - WELCOME HOME - Zac Brown Band
11 - 10-21-17 - 134,268 - NOW - Shania Twain
12 - 05-06-17 - 119,977 - THE SEARCH FOR EVERYTHING - John Mayer
13 - 10-07-17 - 119,839 - CONCRETE AND GOLD - Foo Fighters
14 - 05-20-17 - 115,063 - HUMANZ - Gorillaz
15 - 10-14-17 - 111,330 - WONDERFUL WONDERFUL - Killers
16 - 07-15-17 - 109,093 - EVOLVE - Imagine Dragons
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