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Postby Ewokguy15 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:16 am

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Petrie wrote:@GetBack your obsession with shading anything with Bey’s name attached to it is worrisome and creepy. Like we get it, you don’t like Beyoncé.

Beyoncé is not the reason this song underperformed in fact everyone I have spoken to has praised Bey’s hook but shaded Eminem...Em is the reason this collab failed and for that we can blame the boring production, lame ass delivery and his non existent flow.
It’s a collaboration so it’s both artists fault it’s not good.
The difference is though, Beyoncé delivered, Eminem didn’t.
Neithers part was good whatsoever in my opinion.
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Postby thebigham » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:00 pm

No Top 50 this week. Here's the Top 20:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309848

Friday, December 22, 2017

REVIVAL TIME: EM'S #1 BOW


Eminem's Revival finishes #1 on our abbreviated year-end Top 20 SPS chart, while G-Eazy snags a six-figure #2 bow. Jeezy has the only other Top 10 debut, though the John Williams score set for Star Wars: The Last Jedi gets awfully close.
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Postby Mulvanaghty » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:56 pm

thebigham wrote:No Top 50 this week. Here's the Top 20:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309848

Friday, December 22, 2017

REVIVAL TIME: EM'S #1 BOW


Eminem's Revival finishes #1 on our abbreviated year-end Top 20 SPS chart, while G-Eazy snags a six-figure #2 bow. Jeezy has the only other Top 10 debut, though the John Williams score set for Star Wars: The Last Jedi gets awfully close.
Thanks for this update. I was looking on their site and could not find anything.
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Postby thebigham » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:14 pm

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309851

Saturday, December 23, 2017

NEW RELEASES: JACK OF DIAMONDS

Based on first-day sales and (especially) streams, it looks like Huncho Jack, Jack Huncho, the collaborative project credited to HUNCHO JACK, Travis Scott and Quavo, may have a shot at a #1 chart bow. The set is already #1 at iTunes and Apple Music and its tracks occupy 50% of the Apple Music and Spotify U.S. Top 10. Could the hip-hop heroes battle with Taylor Swift for the top spot on the Christmas-week charts? Stay tuned.

HUNCHO JACK, Travis Scott & Quavo (Quality Control/Motown/Capitol-Grand Hustle/Epic) 95-120k total, 16-19k album
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Postby heh » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:00 pm

I was expecting a huge drop for Eminem compared to MMLP2 because streaming has become much bigger in the past four years, plus he alienated a large part of his fan base with his political rants/telling people outright not to buy his album. I didn't expect a drop like THIS though. A big hit single could turn it around, but based on one listen to the album, I'm not sure he will find it. At least, certainly not on the level of some of his past hits. He's still an unbelievable lyricist with great flow, but the beats/hooks are lacking, comparatively.
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Postby borderwolf » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:05 am

TOP 50 SELLERS OF 2017
http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309854

Kendrick Lamar tops our YTD Top 50 rundown of album activity. Meanwhile, Taylor Swift, despite being #4 in total activity, has the greatest number of pure album sales (and the only album sales total over 1m); it's fascinating to compare her stats to the titles below that achieved big totals despite album sales lower than 55k. Feel free to nerd out over all the numbers below.

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Postby Debs_Wild » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:02 am

Lil Uzi Vert's "sales" are absolutely laughable. I bet most of their streams are fake. :lol:
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Postby Ewokguy15 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:16 am

They really need to just combine the charts completely and that way sales will just be sales and it will stop everyone bitching !
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Postby BlueScorpion » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:17 am

Eminem is floping hard but this easily is his weakest album.

Taylor Swift statistics are mesmerizing.
"Side effects be drowsiness / Loneliness / How is this? / I think they call it hateration / What can you prescribe for this?"
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Postby thebigham » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:37 pm

#1 will only have 90k?? Ugh

https://www.billboard.com/articles/colu ... lboard-200

Huncho Jack, 'Greatest Showman' Heading for Top 10 on Billboard 200 Chart
12/29/2017 by Keith Caulfield

Huncho Jack -- the new duo project from rappers Travis Scott and Quavo -- and the soundtrack to The Greatest Showman are both heading for the top 10 on next week’s Billboard 200 albums chart, according to industry forecasters.

Prognosticators suggest the Huncho Jack album, titled Huncho Jack, Jack Huncho, could launch at No. 2 with over 80,000 equivalent album units earned in the week ending Dec. 28, 2017 following its release on Dec. 22.

Meanwhile, the musical drama film The Greatest Showman could see its companion album zoom from No. 63 straight into the top five with around 60,000 units.

The Billboard 200 chart ranks the most popular albums of the week based on multi-metric consumption, which includes traditional album sales, track equivalent albums (TEA) and streaming equivalent albums (SEA). The top 10 of the new Jan. 6, 2018-dated Billboard 200 chart (where Huncho Jack and The Greatest Showman should hit the top 10) is scheduled to be revealed on Billboard’s websites on Sunday, Dec. 31.

Taylor Swift's former leader Reputation may return to No. 1 on next week’s chart, with over 90,000 units. The set is likely benefiting from last-minute Christmas gift shopping, as next week’s chart will reflect the tracking week ending Dec. 28 -- including the last three days before Christmas (Dec. 22, 23 and 24).

As for the Huncho Jack album, it will be largely powered by streams, whereas traditional album sales may amount to just 15,000 to 20,000 of its sum. Swift’s Reputation, on the other hand, could earn more than 70,000 in pure album sales.

The Greatest Showman soundtrack -- featuring music from the film's stars Hugh Jackman, Zac Efron and Zendaya, among others -- will light up the top 10 following its parent film’s opening in U.S. theaters on Dec. 20. The top 10 last housed a soundtrack on the chart dated Aug. 19, 2017, when Disney Channel’s TV movie Descendants 2 dipped 6-9 in its second week on the list. The last theatrical film soundtrack to visit the top 10 was Disney’s Moana, when it spent its final week in the top 10 on the Aug. 5 list.
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Postby borderwolf » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:45 pm

borderwolf wrote:TOP 50 SELLERS OF 2017
http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309854
... and Top 26-50:
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Postby borderwolf » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:48 pm

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Postby lucasfenty » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:03 pm

HDD:

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http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309854

Still no ANTI, that's weird :lol:
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Postby thebigham » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:32 am

Good riddance, Xmas albums!

Tuesday, January 2, 2018

YOUR FIRST TOP 20 OF 2018

After a lackluster final week of 2017, the first Top 20 of the new year looks to be up about 10% vs. the first week of the year. The Hugh Jackman-led ST to The Greatest Showman (featuring songs from Benj Pasek and Justin Paul, best known for La La Land and Dear Evan Hansen) will be the first #1 album of 2018.

1. The Greatest Showman (Atlantic) 79-84k SPS, 64-69k Sales
2. Ed Sheeran (Atlantic) 69-74k, 19-22k
3. Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 54-59k, 26-29k
4. Eminem (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope) 42-46k, 22-25k
5. Huncho Jack, Travis Scott & Quavo (Quality Control/Cactus Jack/Motown/Grand Hustle/Epic/Capitol) 42-46k, 3-4k
6. G-Eazy (RCA) 40-44k, 7-8k
7. Kendrick Lamar (TDE/Aftermath/Interscope) 39-42k, 14-16k
8. Post Malone (Republic) 38-41k, 5-6k
9. Imagine Dragons (Kidinakorner/Interscope) 37-40k, 15-17k
10. Sam Smith (Capitol) 31-34k, 11-13k

11. Khalid (Right Hand Music/RCA) 31-34k, 8-9k
12. Lil Uzi Vert (Generation Now/Atlantic) 27-30k, 1-2k
13. Chris Brown (RCA) 22-25k, 2-3k
14. Lil Pump (Tha Global Lights/Warner Bros) 21-24k, 2-3k
15. Garth Brooks (Pearl) 19-22k, 19-22k
16. Demi Lovato (Hollywood/Safehouse/Island) 18-21k, 3-4k
17. Quality Control (Quality Control/Motown/Capitol) 18-21k, <1k
18. SZA (TDE/RCA) 17-20k, 3-4k
19. Chris Stapleton (Mercury Nashville) 17-20k, 15-17k
20. P!nk (RCA) 17-20k, 11-13k
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Postby Wayne » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:14 pm

http://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=309967

Tuesday, January 9, 2018

THE GREATEST SHOW GOES ON IN YOUR TOP 20


The Greatest Showman repeats at #1 in a week without any substantial new releases. If the soundtrack holds on, it could challenge Camila Cabello for #1 next week.

1. The Greatest Showman (Atlantic) 95-100k SPS , 66-71k Sales
2. Ed Sheeran (Atlantic) 50-55k, 13-15k
3. Taylor Swift (Big Machine) 35-38k, 12-14k
4. G-Eazy (RCA) 35-38k, 4-5k
5. Post Malone (Republic) 34-37k, 3-4k
6. Eminem (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope) 32-35k, 14-16k
7. Kendrick Lamar (Shady/Aftermath/Interscope) 32-35k, 6-7k
8. Huncho Jack, Travis Scott, Quavo (Quality Control/Cactus Jack/Motown/Grand Hustle/Epic/Capitol) 31-34k, 1-2k
9. Imagine Dragons (Kidinakorner/Interscope) 28-31k, 9-11k
10. Bruno Mars (Atlantic) 27-30k, 5-6k
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Postby thebigham » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:52 am

^The bottom half is which is mostly rap:

11. Lil Uzi Vert (Generation Now/Atlantic) 24-27k, <1k
12. Khalid (Right Hand Music) 24-27k, 3-4k
13. Sam Smith (Capitol) 22-25k, 7-8k
14. Chris Brown (RCA) 18-21k, 1-2k
15. Demi Lovato (Hollywood/Safehouse/Island) 17-20k, 2-3k
16. Kodak Black (Atlantic) 17-20k, <1k
17. Quality Control (Quality Control/Motown/Capitol) 16-18k, <1k
18. SZA (TDE/RCA) 16-18k, 2-3k
19. 21 Savage, Offset & Metro Boomin (Slaughter Gang/Epic) 15-17k, <1k
20. Lil Pump (Tha Global Lights/Warner Bros.) 15-17k, <1k
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Postby Tansike » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:27 am

^ the pure sales :o :-?
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Postby iHypeMusic » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:10 am

Oh my at 13k for Taylor.

This will probably be her first album we see discounts for in store while the era isn't over yet. It's already certified 3x Platinum despite not even being at 2.5m with SPS, aka overshipped quite a bit.
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Postby nympho » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:07 pm

So there will be 5 albums in Top 20 next week with sales below 1k. And they’ll be Top 20. :lol:
While Shania Twain, for instance, was #18 on sales with 6.5k but #99 on Billboard 200 last week. This methodology is not right at all.
I know sales are really low now and that streaming is needed... I think it must be counted for charts. But not like this. And, obviously, no video streams and track sales should be counted as “album sales”.

Watching this, or watching (mostly rap) albums being certified Platinum with 100k or even less in pure sales, I really cannot understand how labels and artists from other genres that still sell albums are not fighting for this unfair methodology to be modified.
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Postby bluecherry » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:57 pm

Demi really is outperforming the other Disney girls. so never expected this.
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Postby iHypeMusic » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:33 pm

nympho wrote:So there will be 5 albums in Top 20 next week with sales below 1k. And they’ll be Top 20. :lol:
While Shania Twain, for instance, was #18 on sales with 6.5k but #99 on Billboard 200 last week. This methodology is not right at all.
I know sales are really low now and that streaming is needed... I think it must be counted for charts. But not like this. And, obviously, no video streams and track sales should be counted as “album sales”.

Watching this, or watching (mostly rap) albums being certified Platinum with 100k or even less in pure sales, I really cannot understand how labels and artists from other genres that still sell albums are not fighting for this unfair methodology to be modified.
I've probably argued FOR streaming to everyone in this thread/section by now, but I'll continue.

6,500 is nothing in grand scheme. 6,500.... there is 330,000,000 people in America. That's 0.00002% of people. Sales have fallen that low that they do no represent what is popular and known within the general population on a normal week.

The formula is fair. You need MILLIONS of streams to even equal 6,500 sales (9.75 million to be exact).

It's just now that sales are so dead and irrelevant with the normal public, that streams overpower. And that's fine.... streaming makes 70%~ of revenue of music in America now. That's just representing the reality of the current consumption trends with music.

Billboard changing a formula every year just to keep sales weighted heavily because they have a preference for them would NOT be accurately measuring popularity. That would just be uselessly trying to keep a sunken ship above ground.

And Shania's 6.5k sales came from tour bundles. I think it's somewhat hypocritical to stand for free sales counted with a purchase of a concert ticket, but then complain about millions of people actually listening to album out of interest and not because it was thrown at them with the purchase of something else holding too much weight.
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Postby iHypeMusic » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:43 pm

Also worth noting: with streaming, the industry annual revenue is back to 2006-2008 levels, and units moved are also back to 2006-2008 levels.

In 2006-2008, 6.5k wouldn't have landed you in Top 20. It wouldn't have even landed you in Top 100. Some weeks, not even Top 150.

6.5k sales is being given a convenient placement for the current market.
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Postby BhiveDiva » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:09 pm

iHypeMusic wrote:Oh my at 13k for Taylor.

This will probably be her first album we see discounts for in store while the era isn't over yet. It's already certified 3x Platinum despite not even being at 2.5m with SPS, aka overshipped quite a bit.
Discounted? What's the price now and before?
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Postby thebigham » Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:32 pm

^Read carefully. "will be discounted." It's the poster's opinion.
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Postby nympho » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:36 pm

iHypeMusic wrote:
nympho wrote:So there will be 5 albums in Top 20 next week with sales below 1k. And they’ll be Top 20. :lol:
While Shania Twain, for instance, was #18 on sales with 6.5k but #99 on Billboard 200 last week. This methodology is not right at all.
I know sales are really low now and that streaming is needed... I think it must be counted for charts. But not like this. And, obviously, no video streams and track sales should be counted as “album sales”.

Watching this, or watching (mostly rap) albums being certified Platinum with 100k or even less in pure sales, I really cannot understand how labels and artists from other genres that still sell albums are not fighting for this unfair methodology to be modified.
I've probably argued FOR streaming to everyone in this thread/section by now, but I'll continue.

6,500 is nothing in grand scheme. 6,500.... there is 330,000,000 people in America. That's 0.00002% of people. Sales have fallen that low that they do no represent what is popular and known within the general population on a normal week.

The formula is fair. You need MILLIONS of streams to even equal 6,500 sales (9.75 million to be exact).

It's just now that sales are so dead and irrelevant with the normal public, that streams overpower. And that's fine.... streaming makes 70%~ of revenue of music in America now. That's just representing the reality of the current consumption trends with music.

Billboard changing a formula every year just to keep sales weighted heavily because they have a preference for them would NOT be accurately measuring popularity. That would just be uselessly trying to keep a sunken ship above ground.

And Shania's 6.5k sales came from tour bundles. I think it's somewhat hypocritical to stand for free sales counted with a purchase of a concert ticket, but then complain about millions of people actually listening to album out of interest and not because it was thrown at them with the purchase of something else holding too much weight.
You're focusing on that example of the 6.5k Shania sold and missing the big issue here that is the methodology used.
Leave that "300 million people live in US so 6.5k is not representative" argument because 50k or 100k is nothing in grand either... It's still 0.000....% of America.

The thing is that Billboard 200 is, supossedly, a chart that reflects both sales AND streaming, but the reality is different.
Reality is that you can be out of Top 200 album sales and still be Top 20 on Billboard 200, but on the other hand you can be Top 40 on sales and miss the Billboard 200 (as it has happened with some artists certain weeks).
If you think that methodology is fair, I don't.

The problem with Billboard 200 is not streaming... Basically every country in the world includes streaming as it's needed and sales are really low. The problem is Billboard is counting track sales, video views, and giving the same value to free than paid streams.

I prefer a methodology like the one in the albums charts of the United Kingdom or Germany, which goal is to account streams of whole albums, avoiding the distortion of singles (which streams are already taken into account in the singles chart). Also, giving more relevance to Premium suscribers' streams.

For me, the fact that an album sells 400k albums in pure sales (that people paid for), and is not certified Gold but, on the other hand, an album selling like 50k copies is actually certified Platinum... not because people consumed the whole album but because of the success of a few tracks, or because its music video went viral, is a joke. Certify those songs, but not the whole album.
RIAA should have a rule about this... At least half of the figure certified should be in pure sales or something like that...

And RIAA could have downgraded the certifications levels, as many other countries did (or as they did for Latin certifications these past years, twice, actually).

Just my opinion. :wink:
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