I was just going to ask Alan the same thing!Robbie wrote:Hi Alan. Is the book "The Pop Music Industry Inside Out" worth buying? Amazon have a few sellers selling the book from £5 upwards and I'm wondering if it's worth buying? I notice the book was published in 1977 - does it analyse the charts from back then in depth or is the size of the BMRB sample just mentioned in passing?
The book is available on Google books in the snippet view. You can search for it there by the title, but drop the word in red above. I did a search for BMRB and it came up with a reference saying a list of chart shops could be obtained for £50.RokinRobinOfLocksley wrote:I was just going to ask Alan the same thing!Robbie wrote:Hi Alan. Is the book "The Pop Music Industry Inside Out" worth buying? Amazon have a few sellers selling the book from £5 upwards and I'm wondering if it's worth buying? I notice the book was published in 1977 - does it analyse the charts from back then in depth or is the size of the BMRB sample just mentioned in passing?
Alan, after you answer Robbie's question, could you maybe give us the individual chapter titles? Thanks in advance!
Actually I do recall listening to some of those docs - most were very informative especially at a time when one couldn't just type keywords into the internet and find such info across various websites. They did indeed do one around September 1992, when the chart show (and of course Radio 1) were celebrating their 25th anniversary. It featured lots of interviews with several of the DJs who'd presented it down the years (all of them were still alive then which helped!), and they told their respective anecotes about doing the show, and what they did differently (e.g. Tony Blackburn pronouncing Duran Duran as "durran", Tommy Vance phoning up labels for snippets of info about each hit, Bruno Brookes remarking on how many more new entries there were compared to when he'd done it in the late '80s, Mark Goodier segueing songs together with no dialogue interrupting etc). I must say the peanut story doesn't stay in my memory but maybe I dismissed it as a spoof at the time, being very earnest even then about the solemnity and reverence due to The Charts.Graham76man wrote:Gambo
The "Peanuts" story is true! I remember the story being told on Radio One just after the charts show on Sunday at 7pm, can't remember when, but it would have been late 80's or early 90's. It was a radio documentary about how the charts were done. I listened in after the show, because it was promoted during the chart show. Radio One often did these documentaries about the charts themselves at that time slot. Generally it was when the charts were having an anniversary or something special. The Peanuts story was part of an interview with someone talking about how the charts were compiled.
I do have some tapes of some of these documentaries. I don't think I recorded that one though.
As far as I can tell so far Chapter 8 pages 91-105 and chapter 9 106-120. are connected to the charts.RokinRobinOfLocksley wrote:Thanks Graham! How many pages of this book are devoted to the charts? Is it worthwhile to get a copy of this book? Could you please list the individual chapter titles? Thanks much...
Thanks Brian your right!BrainDamageII wrote:1976
I think i have some MM Juke Box charts. Should find my MM scans and then i will be able to answer you.beauregard wrote:Does anyone have access to Melody Makers Juke Box Top 20 that was compiled between 1957 and 1961? It would be interesting to know if it was very different from the sales chart.
I started to buy singles in March 1974 and I agree about a great deal of people purchasing record from Woolworths back then. Just about every record I bought in 1974 and 1975 was bought from my local branch of Woolies. That said, the branch was never a chart return shop and it closed in the late 1980s. But, on weekends especially, the record department was packed with children (including me) buying singles.Graham76man wrote:The 60's charts would of course tie in with each other simply because the charts were displayed in record stores around the country and so the public would therefore purchase the records that are in the charts.
The problem comes with the new entries in the charts. That's were the charts are not consistent with each other.
The 60's to middle 70's chart all of course lack Woolworth's data. They wouldn't supply data to any chart compiler. Until around 1965, they had their own label and didn't sell other people's records. The Label was called Embassy and it is known many were massive sellers. Though not one features in a chart book.
You can see a list of the Embassy singles that could have charted on the 45 Cat website.
When you think about how important Woolworth became to the chart compilation of later years, to have it excluded till 1976 must mean that the charts before that are not really all that good.
However getting hold of how much impact Woolworth's record sales had on the sales figures is a problem, because the records don't seem to be there.
Still as a child of the 60's and 70's, I only know that a great deal of people purchased records from Woolies. Certainly among my relations they appear to have done so. I can only say the same is probably true for others.
I've been in correspondence with both. And i have sense they were different persons.asm wrote:I have posted the full Top M.Maker 50s gleaned from "Music Businness Weekly" to Lonnie recently! The Colindale Library had some missing from Feb/March 71. But with help from Disc and M.Echo's brief run of the Top 50s (13 March to 24 April 71) Lonnie has all but two of the MM Top 50s Sept 69 to May 71. I posted a Lot of MM Charts circa 1970 to 77 to Davetaylor. Maybe Dave can post them here!