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Postby drbillc » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:29 pm

Dr. Travel: Thanks for the good work, and my hat is off for the amount of effort. I'm curious if you know where actual facsimiles of the charts or the mags themselves can be viewed. I can only find public access back to 1961 and those only in the Library of Congress. I'd love to be able to see the originals.

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Postby DrTravel » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:00 am

Swampy61 wrote:Thanks as always Dr.T.

Look forward to you publishing the final two years to complete the Music Vendor / Record World Top 100 Charts.

When you originally produced the charts from the 70's and 80's you didn't include the "bubbling under" charts.

Do you have any plans to include these in the future?
When I first started this project these Top 100 charts were extremely rare. Then American Radio History added complete magazine issues and Record Research published all the Top 100 charts 1964-1972 so they are no longer rare. You just need to spend a few bucks for the book and do some digging at American Radio History. I know it's easier if I just do all the work for you! I started posting the Top 100 charts and decided to complete it, i.e. by posting all the years. So after 1969 is finished I should be done. The Music Vendor charts 1954-1964 are still rare (finding these will be difficult) and as a bonus I threw in the "bubbling unders".

I really wasn't planning on adding the "bubbling unders" for 1970-1982 because most of them are available on-line now. These take a lot of time and effort to generate - actually 101-150 takes longer than 1-100! So the question I have for you, why do you want them and how badly?

Here are the 1968 Top 100 and Singles Coming Up charts:

http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/NCp1fkTn/file.html
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Postby DrTravel » Sun Oct 08, 2017 4:16 am

drbillc wrote:Dr. Travel: Thanks for the good work, and my hat is off for the amount of effort. I'm curious if you know where actual facsimiles of the charts or the mags themselves can be viewed. I can only find public access back to 1961 and those only in the Library of Congress. I'd love to be able to see the originals.

Thanks.
Obviously I have access to the original charts (that's where all the info in the spreadsheets come from), however they are not available to the general public. I did post a copy of the very first Music Vendor chart (December 9, 1955) and a copy of an earlier Music Guild chart but really don't see the need to impose on others to post any more. Maybe the next time any forum member is in Washington D.C. they can make scans and share with the group. Why don't you do it?! It's a plane ride for me also.

Note that Record Research has published "Record World Singles Charts 1964-1972, Volume 1" so you can see those originals. I know it costs a few bucks but if you really want to "see the originals", isn't it's worth it? Volume 2 will cover 1973-1982 and should be available shortly. Don't believe Record Research will be publishing the Music Vendor charts 1954-1963 although a few are available on the American Radio History site.
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Postby kjell » Mon Oct 09, 2017 5:33 pm

The best representation of a hits overall popularity is the chartrun, and the more positions the chart has the better the representation. The main value of each single chart is not the chart as is, but the fact that it's needed to compose the chartrun. What make Dr. Travels postings interesting beyond that is all the extra info that's included in addition to the chartruns, not to forget the RR corrections.

Wishful thinking for the future might be additions of composers and B-sides such as kingofskiffle is doing in his new chartbooks series.
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Postby DrTravel » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:43 pm

kjell wrote:Wishful thinking for the future might be additions of composers and B-sides such as kingofskiffle is doing in his new chartbooks series.
Is that ALL you want! Here's my current spreadsheet for Music Vendor/Record World. It's still a work in progress as I need to finish the chart runs for the bubblers 1969-1982 (3624 entries left). After that, then it will be done.

Yes the weekly charts are merely a means to my ultimate goal - finishing this SS. Been working on this for years! (prior to joining this forum). I can't imagine just looking at the weekly charts as being an interesting proposition, but to each his own.

Note that there are many columns that are hidden. Unhide them to discover even more than info than desired. Make sure you read the "KEY" tab as it explains things.

http://www88.zippyshare.com/v/RCyPQNpn/file.html
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Postby kjell » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:20 am

Profound thanks, your spreadsheets are gems for us Europeans who are fascinated by both UK and US hits of yesteryear. In addition to compare the hits of the different US chartbooks 1900-1950 I'm also trying to complete a file of US country hits not mentioned in Billboard but in Cash Box, Record World and Music Business/Music Reporter. Proves to be a bit demanding doing this from Scandinavia. The MB/MR's are impossible to get hold of here, but the American Radio History site is trying. CB books from Scarecrow are inadequate and faultridden, and RW available only on ARH, and they're struggling too.

By the way, BB mentions weekly popular country recordings prior to the country charts. One would like to believe that they're mentioned in descending sales order, but I've found no clue supporting this view. At least I've found the BB country bubblers of 1980 Sep 6 - 1981 May and their hot country breakouts 1990 Jan - Aug.
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Postby Chartaholic » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:31 am

DrTravel wrote:
kjell wrote:Wishful thinking for the future might be additions of composers and B-sides such as kingofskiffle is doing in his new chartbooks series.
Is that ALL you want! Here's my current spreadsheet for Music Vendor/Record World. It's still a work in progress as I need to finish the chart runs for the bubblers 1969-1982 (3624 entries left). After that, then it will be done.

Yes the weekly charts are merely a means to my ultimate goal - finishing this SS. Been working on this for years! (prior to joining this forum). I can't imagine just looking at the weekly charts as being an interesting proposition, but to each his own.

Note that there are many columns that are hidden. Unhide them to discover even more than info than desired. Make sure you read the "KEY" tab as it explains things.

http://www88.zippyshare.com/v/RCyPQNpn/file.html
As always, thanks for the work!

Count me as one of those weirdos. I'm really only interested in the weekly chart, as a snapshot in time. Chart runs just don't do it for me :)
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Postby RokinRobinOfLocksley » Tue Oct 10, 2017 2:09 pm

DrTravel wrote:Here are the 1968 Top 100 and Singles Coming Up charts:

http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/NCp1fkTn/file.html
Infinite THANKS, Dr. T, you ROCK!

*** Help, Dr. T or anybody: Could someone please re-upload Dr. T's files for the charts of Music Guild 1954, Music Guild/Music Vendor 1955, and Music Vendor 1956, 57, & 58? I totally missed out the first go round, that's what I get for not checking in every day, something I have now rectified, ha.

Cheers n chips...
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Postby kingofskiffle » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:15 pm

RokinRobinOfLocksley wrote:
DrTravel wrote:Here are the 1968 Top 100 and Singles Coming Up charts:

http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/NCp1fkTn/file.html
Infinite THANKS, Dr. T, you ROCK!

*** Help, Dr. T or anybody: Could someone please re-upload Dr. T's files for the charts of Music Guild 1954, Music Guild/Music Vendor 1955, and Music Vendor 1956, 57, & 58? I totally missed out the first go round, that's what I get for not checking in every day, something I have now rectified, ha.

Cheers n chips...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i70w759abacrb ... s.zip?dl=0

Link expires in a few days. This is all of the files, including the full RW file from 54-82.
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Postby kingofskiffle » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:16 pm

DrTravel wrote:
kjell wrote:Wishful thinking for the future might be additions of composers and B-sides such as kingofskiffle is doing in his new chartbooks series.
Is that ALL you want!

http://www88.zippyshare.com/v/RCyPQNpn/file.html
Thank you for the spreadsheet. And thats all I want as well. One of the perils of being a completist I suppose. Hugh thanks for the sheet and for your continued willingness to share with us all.
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Postby RokinRobinOfLocksley » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:46 pm

kingofskiffle wrote:
RokinRobinOfLocksley wrote:
DrTravel wrote:Here are the 1968 Top 100 and Singles Coming Up charts:

http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/NCp1fkTn/file.html
Infinite THANKS, Dr. T, you ROCK!

*** Help, Dr. T or anybody: Could someone please re-upload Dr. T's files for the charts of Music Guild 1954, Music Guild/Music Vendor 1955, and Music Vendor 1956, 57, & 58? I totally missed out the first go round, that's what I get for not checking in every day, something I have now rectified, ha.

Cheers n chips...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i70w759abacrb ... s.zip?dl=0

Link expires in a few days. This is all of the files, including the full RW file from 54-82.
Thanks Lonnie! You ROCK, and skiffle, too, ha...
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Postby kjell » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:15 pm

You're right Dr. Travel. Having disclosed the hidden and been going thru' all the other columns it is in fact more than I have capacity to ask for at this moment in time. I do appreciate the structure, it's the magnitude that overwhelms me. Need to keep both body and brain in shape to be able to enjoy all your projects when it's all completed.
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Postby Chartaholic » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:35 pm

Chartaholic wrote:
DrTravel wrote:
kjell wrote:Wishful thinking for the future might be additions of composers and B-sides such as kingofskiffle is doing in his new chartbooks series.
Is that ALL you want! Here's my current spreadsheet for Music Vendor/Record World. It's still a work in progress as I need to finish the chart runs for the bubblers 1969-1982 (3624 entries left). After that, then it will be done.

Yes the weekly charts are merely a means to my ultimate goal - finishing this SS. Been working on this for years! (prior to joining this forum). I can't imagine just looking at the weekly charts as being an interesting proposition, but to each his own.

Note that there are many columns that are hidden. Unhide them to discover even more than info than desired. Make sure you read the "KEY" tab as it explains things.

http://www88.zippyshare.com/v/RCyPQNpn/file.html
As always, thanks for the work!

Count me as one of those weirdos. I'm really only interested in the weekly chart, as a snapshot in time. Chart runs just don't do it for me :)
After re-reading my response, I hope it wasn't misinterpreted. It was in no way asking for anything or expecting anything.

I simply wanted to point out that I'm one of the chart fans over chart run fans. Chart runs drive me crazy :) while they show longevity, they leave too many questions unanswered. Why did the song move 15-11 in a particular week. What songs did it pass and why? What kept it out of the top ten that week? Chart runs tell only a small fraction of a song story. The chart compares all songs.
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Postby DrTravel » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:28 pm

Here are the 1969 Top 100 and Looking Up charts:

http://www92.zippyshare.com/v/6nxDHAAa/file.html

So now everyone should have a complete set of Music Vendor/Record World 1954-1982 charts. Record Research plans on releasing their Record World 1973-1982 charts early next year.
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Postby RokinRobinOfLocksley » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:01 pm

Thanks again x 3000, DrTravel !!!
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Postby Borobear » Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:17 pm

Many thanks from me for finishing this monumental piece of work. Record World wasn't very good at showing last week's positions which would make the job even harder so much appreciation from me for persevering.
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Postby Swampy61 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 9:59 am

DrTravel wrote:Here are the 1969 Top 100 and Looking Up charts:

http://www92.zippyshare.com/v/6nxDHAAa/file.html

So now everyone should have a complete set of Music Vendor/Record World 1954-1982 charts. Record Research plans on releasing their Record World 1973-1982 charts early next year.
Many thanks Dr.T for all your hard work - I now have all the singles charts for Billboard, Cashbox and Music Vendor/Record World.

I have volume 1 of the Record World Chart Book and didn't realise Record Research were anticipating publishing volume 2 quite so soon.

I notice that their next publication appears to be Top Pop Albums 1955 - 2016 ( previous edition covered 1955 - 2009) - long overdue!

https://www.recordresearch.com/pop/top_ ... 5-2016.php
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Postby kingofskiffle » Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:04 am

Yes just want to second that. Huge thanks to Dr Travel.

I would think that the Record World scans book would be one year after the other book. From a publishing perspective that makes sense so that you know how many to make. And if their is no market then no volume two need be produced.

I’m looking forward to the new albums book. It doesn’t have the non charting albums or the Pop Catalogue chart or Christmas charts. Happy the tracks are back but could wish they did them in order and beneath the original entry rather than at the end.
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Postby gerrit » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:41 pm

kingofskiffle wrote:
RokinRobinOfLocksley wrote:
DrTravel wrote:Here are the 1968 Top 100 and Singles Coming Up charts:

http://www117.zippyshare.com/v/NCp1fkTn/file.html
Infinite THANKS, Dr. T, you ROCK!

*** Help, Dr. T or anybody: Could someone please re-upload Dr. T's files for the charts of Music Guild 1954, Music Guild/Music Vendor 1955, and Music Vendor 1956, 57, & 58? I totally missed out the first go round, that's what I get for not checking in every day, something I have now rectified, ha.

Cheers n chips...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i70w759abacrb ... s.zip?dl=0

Link expires in a few days. This is all of the files, including the full RW file from 54-82.
Many thanks. Only I cannot view the 1963 file because a password is asked. No problems with the other files.
Do you also have 1973/76, 1978, 1980 and 1981.
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Postby gerrit » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:54 am

The Music Vendor first chart was October 4, 1954. But the Music Vendor Magazine started already in 1946. Were there no charts before.
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Postby Robbie » Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:06 am

A HUGE thanks to DrTravel!

Could I ask a favour? I didn't manage to download all the Record World yearly chart files at the time they were available and the ones I'm missing are no longer available to download. Would it be possible to upload the ones for:

1973
1974
1975
1976
1978
1980
1981

Thanks!
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Postby gerrit » Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:27 pm

Robbie wrote:A HUGE thanks to DrTravel!

Could I ask a favour? I didn't manage to download all the Record World yearly chart files at the time they were available and the ones I'm missing are no longer available to download. Would it be possible to upload the ones for:

1973
1974
1975
1976
1978
1980
1981

Thanks!
And 1963. I cannot open the EXCEL file I have downloaded without password.
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Postby trebor » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:10 pm

gerrit wrote:I cannot open the EXCEL file I have downloaded without password.
Basically, this! :cry:
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Postby trebor » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:19 pm

^ + ^^
Record World.zip

Contains all files from the beginning (SE/O) / Via ZippyShare / All credits to @Dr.Travel
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Postby kingofskiffle » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:21 pm

trebor wrote:^ + ^^
Record World.zip

Contains all files from the beginning (SE/O) / Via ZippyShare / All credits to @Dr.Travel
Thanks for re-posting those files.
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