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Would you buy a physical copy of my chart books?

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Postby Gambo » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:52 pm

Just bought my copy!
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Postby CatoFur » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:17 am

I bought copies of all four over the weekend and already find them to be invaluable reference tools. I am particularly pleased to have songwriter details for all these hits at long last. Fantastic effort to bring these into existence and I eagerly await future volumes.

I would second earlier comments about including or otherwise tabulating and publishing the smaller, less well known charts - Top Pops, Mersey Beat etc - and the much-loved BBC chart; I would love to have these. One could, of course, go on forever and include radio charts - Caroline, Radio City, Radio London etc for the sixties, Capital Radio and other independent stations for the seventies and beyond. These are not sales charts, but are still fondly remembered and worthy of tabulation, but I may be getting far too elaborate in my dreams here. Then there are interesting oddities - indie charts, "metal" charts (Sounds had one, I think), reggae charts, disco (Record Mirror), R&B (there was one in the sixties, if memory serves), folk (ditto), jazz and so on. But that would require a "Whitburn" approach and a team of researchers that,sadly, is probably beyond the capacity of anyone on this site.

These are not complaints, more the musings of a chartoholic. This is a great piece of work and hats off for delivering it.
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Postby kingofskiffle » Thu Jul 06, 2017 6:05 am

CatoFur wrote:I bought copies of all four over the weekend and already find them to be invaluable reference tools. I am particularly pleased to have songwriter details for all these hits at long last. Fantastic effort to bring these into existence and I eagerly await future volumes.
Thanks for that wonderful review and I'm really pleased you like them.

The charts you mentioned (Top Pops in particular) are terribly hard to find. I have most but not all and so can't produce a book until I did have them all. The same goes for Mersey Beat as I think I have them all but not sure.

The 1980's saw lots of charts appear including those Indie ones you mention and my aim is to see what I can find.

As to the BBC charts a book on those is planned as is one for the NME charts of the 1960's.

My aim is to produce something that covers the things I would want in a chart book and that's why I started with the UK Singles charts as the more recent books have errors they don't seem to want to fix. Doing this has allowed me to fix almost all of the title errors and when the album book comes out you will not recognise some of the albums in a side by side comparison as they have changed so much. But I strive for accuracy and go with the title as shown on the cover.

You are right Record Mirror carried an R and B chart I the 1969's and Record Retailer took it as well. I'm always open to ideas but I suspect that those smaller charts will prove a very tiny readership and I would need to make sure I could recoup the costs of getting the charts at least. That said, there are always possibilities!
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Postby Robbie » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:22 am

I've just bought the book, great as usual Lonnie!

Do you know when volume 3 (the 1970s) will be available? That is the one I'm looking forward to buying as it's the decade that I got into buying records and following the charts. I'd love to see a Volume 4 - the 1980s - too. Do you have any plans on doing a book for that decade?
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Postby kingofskiffle » Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:51 am

Robbie wrote:I've just bought the book, great as usual Lonnie!

Do you know when volume 3 (the 1970s) will be available? That is the one I'm looking forward to buying as it's the decade that I got into buying records and following the charts. I'd love to see a Volume 4 - the 1980s - too. Do you have any plans on doing a book for that decade?
Thanks :) I don't want to give a date as checking the breakers for 70-78 is going to be the most difficult. They ended up basically being a Top 75 from around 73/74 so that takes it significantly longer! I suggest October/November. A Volume is planned for each decade up to the present, but from around 2007 onwards I'm not sure how to present the data and from 1994 onwards I'll restrict to a Top 100. 1980's would maybe be March next year though. The 1980's again had large breakers I need to find data for. It's about 2 minutes per entry to check, but I also need to make sure the charts have been entered correctly. I lost about three weeks recently researching one album chart from 1969 which has not been published before so things like that can slow me down.

Current plan for the decade ones is

Oct/Nov 1970's
Dec - albums 1956-69
March 1980's singles

I had hopped for albums to be out by September but I want to make it really definitive so it will include lots of charts not previously researched from 1969 and breakers and all sorts of fun things.

One other plan is to do a Billboard book for some of the very early charts which I have disliked the way Joel Whitburn presents the data for. I can't surpass his work and wouldn't want to try but I do want to properly represent, including re-entries, the original charts they produced in a way he doesn't. So I'm working on those a little as well. (Plus the day job and family life so I'm keeping busy which is really nice :))
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Postby kingofskiffle » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:02 pm

An update:-

In the process of uploading and sorting for sale a book on the UK EP Charts. This should be available for sale shortly, so do check out the website. It does not include the weekly charts as I do not wish to step on the toes of another excellent book by George R. White. However, my book does contain the track listing in order which I believe has not been done before.

Price is £7.50 and I hope you like it. Sample below.

http://thechartbook.co.uk/onewebmedia/samples/EP_AdvertPage.pdf
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Postby fiesta » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:02 pm

There is listings of EP charts in Virgin British Hit Singles, are these the same charts or different ones?
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Postby kingofskiffle » Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:38 pm

The same charts... but with the errors fixed. For example they miss one number 1 EP.
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Postby kingofskiffle » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:42 pm

The Album Book - Volume 1 - 1956-1969 AVAILABLE NOW!
The albums - each and every one - that made the Record Mirror (1956-1958), Melody Maker (1958-1960) and Record Retailer (1960-1969) album charts.

For the first time the Breakers are tabulated as well as the Bargain / Budget LP charts from 1969 - never before listed anywhere!

Full track listing of each album is shown, with tracks in the order they appeared on the release.

This is the first time these have been listed in this format making this a unique collection.

PDF download - only £10.
You have to see the sample pages. [url="http://thechartbook.co.uk/onewebmedia/samples/AlbumsV1_Sample.pdf"]Sample here[/url]
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Postby Robbie » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:35 pm

kingofskiffle wrote:The Album Book - Volume 1 - 1956-1969 AVAILABLE NOW!
The albums - each and every one - that made the Record Mirror (1956-1958), Melody Maker (1958-1960) and Record Retailer (1960-1969) album charts.

For the first time the Breakers are tabulated as well as the Bargain / Budget LP charts from 1969 - never before listed anywhere!

Full track listing of each album is shown, with tracks in the order they appeared on the release.

This is the first time these have been listed in this format making this a unique collection.

PDF download - only £10.
You have to see the sample pages. [url="http://thechartbook.co.uk/onewebmedia/samples/AlbumsV1_Sample.pdf"]Sample here[/url]
Hi Lonnie. I was hoping you would publish the 1970 to 1979 decade singles before Christmas. I notice on your website it's now been put back to 2018. Do you know when in 2018 it may be published?
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Postby kingofskiffle » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:14 pm

Hey :). Yeah. I ended up moving house and changing jobs. Currently checked as far as 1971 so I’m hopeful of February. I am sorry your disappointed as I am to :(
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Postby Robbie » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:27 pm

kingofskiffle wrote:Hey :). Yeah. I ended up moving house and changing jobs. Currently checked as far as 1971 so I’m hopeful of February. I am sorry your disappointed as I am to :(
No problem! I can wait until then!
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Postby CatoFur » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:37 pm

kingofskiffle wrote:The Album Book - Volume 1 - 1956-1969 AVAILABLE NOW!

[url="http://thechartbook.co.uk/onewebmedia/samples/AlbumsV1_Sample.pdf"]Sample here[/url]
Just got mine. Fab!

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Postby kingofskiffle » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:00 pm

Thank you for that comment. I really hope you enjoy it (And that I haven't made any mistakes with it!)
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Postby Robbie » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:15 am

kingofskiffle wrote:Thank you for that comment. I really hope you enjoy it (And that I haven't made any mistakes with it!)
Yes, it's an excellent e-book. I especially love the tracklistings which is handy for me locating specific tracks from albums on Spotify. But wow at the mess that BMRB made of the Album charts in 1969 (and on to the early 70s, a period outside of your book). Record Retailer especially didn't seem to know what it wanted to publish, seemingly chopping and changing the size of the main albums chart on an almost week by week basis at one point depending on how many full price albums were inside the top 120 sellers that week.

Incidentally, until October 1979 the main work to compile the Albums chart was started on a Tuesday afternoon with the data being ready to be released on a Wednesday lunchtime. I believe that in the very early days of the BMRB chart the work was done mainly on a Wednesday due to the messy way that BMRB took of extracting full price, mid price and budget price albums. I can recall that from around 1975 to 1979 Radio 1 would unveil the new Albums chart on a Thursday. In 1978 to 1979 this would happen on the late afternoon show but in mid 1975, during the school holidays, Johnnie Walker would preview the new top 30 on his lunchtime show, again on a Thursday. But in 1975 Radio 1 had a very early closedown due to budget cuts so there was no late afternoon recap. For example see

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/ra ... 1975-08-07

http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules/ra ... 1978-10-05

At the time I used to write the new Album chart down as it wouldn't be published in Record Mirror for another week. But as you are aware, the new Albums chart was already available to the industry a week prior to this. In October 1979 the computer system, still a very primitive one by today's standards, was overhauled and the singles chart was compiled on a Monday with a provisional chart being ready early Tuesday which then allowed BMRB to ready an Albums chart for publication in Music Week and Record Mirror in the week of compilation.
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Postby Gambo » Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:02 pm

Thanks Robbie for actually explaining the Oct '79 catch-up in albums charts. I understood it was a computer improvement that enabled it, but couldn't see why it wasn't ready within the usage week as the singles chart was. So it is as I thought then; each use week-ending date up until that point we should regard as actually being valid for the week before (in much the same way as we still seem to have to for the Billboard charts given they're still dated in accordance with the magazine issue date that's ten days or so in advance of the Saturday ending the week for which the charts are intended to be used)?

Oh and Lonnie - well done for persevering with this mammoth project, especially in the face of such tumultuous personal changes!
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Postby zeus555 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:37 pm

Lonnie - As I've told you elsewhere, I plan to buy several, (if not all), of your Chart Books, when they are finished.

We do appreciate the great deal of time & effort that you put into your Chart Books - so thank you for that.

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Postby kingofskiffle » Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:46 pm

Thank you - I know everybody does. I also recognise that it takes a while for people to be able to afford these and priorities differ for people.

I am happy to create bespoke books if people want specific things.
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Postby Swampy61 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:36 pm

kingofskiffle wrote:I am happy to create bespoke books if people want specific things.
Careful Lonnie!

You never know what you might be letting yourself in for.

Great work with the chart books - order for the album charts coming your way soon.
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Postby Swampy61 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 2:02 pm

Lonnie,

I would to put a request in for Chart Books covering both the NME and Melody Maker Charts.

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Postby kingofskiffle » Mon Dec 11, 2017 3:29 pm

That is something I’m working on. Individual books for Melody maker singles and albums are in the pipeline as is an NME 1960’s Book
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Postby Swampy61 » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:06 pm

kingofskiffle wrote:That is something I’m working on. Individual books for Melody maker singles and albums are in the pipeline as is an NME 1960’s Book
Look forward to those chart books when they are available.

What about NME 70s & 80s ?
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Postby kingofskiffle » Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:34 pm

That’s the plan. It all depends on time and if more than one person want the book. Although that’s not a deal breaker!
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Postby CatoFur » Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:23 am

kingofskiffle wrote:That’s the plan. It all depends on time and if more than one person want the book. Although that’s not a deal breaker!
I'm up for all of the above (so now you have two people wanting each book!)
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Postby kingofskiffle » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:24 pm

An update:

I have just launched - for free - a book covering the Billboard Albums. Well, I say free I would like donations but you can download and keep. It is only current through mid 1963 and so I'll do more updates to it depending on interest. I'm listing Album Tracks but only for the ones I have and I encourage people to assist with the missing info, or where might find it typed and ready to copy. I am mining Discogs already. Equally, if you'd like any additions (Country and R&B Albums will be added in due course).

Information here http://thechartbook.co.uk/billboard.html

A book on the Melody Maker Singles (start to 1969) in production as well, with a target date of March when it will be available to buy.
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