Billboard Rock Charts (from the beginning)

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Postby DrTravel » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:35 pm

This was where I started my chart collecting - must have been over a decade ago - a few years or so before Billboard.biz added the on-line archives. Under the direction of Lancefer (who had on-line access and incredible excel knowledge) I created my first crude charts. Fortunately my local library had the issues missing from the googlebooks project. Have since cleaned them up and updated to the end of 2017.

Mainstream Rock Charts 1981-2017.xls is here:

http://www21.zippyshare.com/v/9zLPyYIs/file.html
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Postby DrTravel » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:38 pm

Here are the complete Modern Rock (now called Alternative) charts.

Modern Rock Charts 1988-2017.xls

http://www97.zippyshare.com/v/TEBmkN8I/file.html

Note that Billboard has added two other rock charts - Triple A and Rock Airplay. I have not tallied these but know others have.
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Postby RokinRobinOfLocksley » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:46 pm

Thanks much DrTravel.

Unfortunately, my Norton Internet Security is blocking me from viewing these 2 Zippy download pages, saying "This is a known dangerous web page. It is highly recommended that you do NOT visit this page."

Anyone else having this problem? Cheers n chips...
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Postby LostAvenger » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:15 pm

Thank you, Dr Travel & Trebor :D I can only hope for more CMJ/FMQB/The Hard Report 80s alternative charts to resurface on the internet. :D
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Postby Passing_Strang » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:29 pm

Yes, thank you very much, guys!

Meant to ask for some time now - I have several scans of Rockpool dance-rock charts. Anybody knows what it is (was) and where those can be seen, if that's possible? Will be very grateful!
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Postby RokinRobinOfLocksley » Sat Dec 30, 2017 5:47 pm

And thank you, Trebor !!
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Postby kingofskiffle » Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:08 am

Huge thanks for these Dr Travel and Happy New Year
http://thechartbook.co.uk - for the latest are best chart book - By Decade!
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Postby DrTravel » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:56 pm

The Whitburn Project is a collaboration of music enthusiasts whose primary objective is to collect an mp3 library of every song (correct 45/78 versions) to reach a particular Billboard chart. They first started out with Pop Charts from 1940 to the current date (including BS, JB, DJ, Top 100 and Hot 100). plus the songs that Whitburn included in his "Pop Memories 1890-1954" - you know the data he made up. As a referencing guide they used the numbering system presented in Whitburn's "Pop Annual" https://www.recordresearch.com/pop/pop_ ... 5-2016.php. This ranking system has serious flaws however it does include ALL songs that made the Billboard Pop charts. Later on they began collecting C&W, R&B and bubbling under charts utilizing the same system. I came along and added my type of music - ROCK! The following spreadsheet was created by me and utilized to collect all songs that made Billboard's Mainstream and Modern rock charts. Yes I have a copy of the correct mp3 for all songs listed. This spreadsheet contains a master ranking for all songs that PEAKED in 2016 and earlier plus all chart runs for songs that began their charting history up to the last week of 2016. I will update the master ranking in the middle of the 2018 when I know which songs actually peaked in 2017. As is always the case, make sure you read all tabs plus unhide all the columns to review all the data presented. Note that Whitburn did publish a Rock Tracks book https://www.recordresearch.com/rock/roc ... 1_2008.php but has no plans to update it.

http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/G25aogkI/file.html

Later I added two other lists of rock songs - the add-ons and classic rock. While Billboard did not publish charts for these I researched a comprehensive range of sources to derive the listings:

Add-ons are songs that would have been on a Billboard Modern Rock Chart for the period 1981-1988 had Billboard actually published this chart during
this period. It was added to the rock collection to add consistency to later years when both Modern Rock and Mainstream Rock charts were used.
These songs were derived from year-end playlists on Modern Rock stations during the years 1981-1988. Many Modern Rock charts did make the Mainstream
Rock charts and were not listed as add-ons.

This spreadsheet lists "almost" all rock tracks from 1964-1980 that are played on classic rock stations. These tracks are not derived from any Billboard
charts but rather from the following sources (listed under the "Source" column"):
JW = Those tracks listed in the Classic Rock Tracks in Joel Whitburn's Rock Tracks 1981-2008 book
NC = Rock tracks that appeared on four or more of the artist's albums, rock tracks identified as "Classic Non-Hot 100 Songs" in Joel Whitburn's Top Pop
Singles 1955-2006 book, rock tracks listed in any of the following Top Song lists: Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time, RIAA/NEA Songs of
The Century, BMI / NPR Top 100 Songs, and those Rock Tracks inducted in the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame.
RC = Rock tracks derived from various Classic Rock stations countdowns.
NG = Rock tracks suggested in the newsgroups that were verified to have received national airplay with medium plus airplay or were classified as
influential by rock experts.

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Postby RokinRobinOfLocksley » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:50 pm

Unfortunately, I'm having trouble with the link, DrTravel, but thanks again anyway.

Has anyone else got the link to work OK?

Here's what happened to me. I clicked on the link, my Norton Internet Security immediately warned me not to proceed, virus and spyware warnings. I didn't even get to the Zippy page to attempt a download.

So I went to my other browser, copied and pasted the link to that, and it took me to the usual Zippy page OK. But when I clicked on the Zippy download button, all hell broke loose. I got 3 pop up warnings, and a audio warning that would not shut off. It said "Critical alert, your computer has alerted Microsoft that your computer has been infected with a virus or spyware, which is attempting to steal your credit card numbers, facebook login, and email login. Call the number listed below for immediate help on how to remove the infection. If you close your browser without calling the number, Microsoft will disable your computer to prevent further infection."

I tried to go to another webpage to investigate the phone number, but my browser was locked. So I went to my other browser, searched on the phone number, and sure enough the phone number was a scam. Other people had called the number, and determined it was not Microsoft but a scammer, and some had unfortunately allowed the scammer to take over their computer for a scan, who then promptly demanded $$ to fix the problem.

So I forced my locked browser to close thru task manager, and ran a full computer scan through Norton. No problems. I hope no one else ran into this situation.

Question: Is there some other better / safer way for DrTravel to upload his goodie spreadsheets so that we don't have to deal with these problems in Zippy, that wouldn't be any extra work for DrTravel?

Thanks again DrTravel for all you do for us, we greatly appreciate it !!

Thanks all, & Happy New Year !!
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Postby trebor » Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:32 pm

^^
Disable pop-up's, disable activeX, etc.
Other options DropBox, GoogleDrive, Microsoft cloud storage, etc.

You may download the file from here: Rock
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Postby DrTravel » Mon Jan 01, 2018 10:37 pm

I've used zippyshare for decades without issues and no one else seems to have problems - the solution resides somewhere on your computer. Most likely a firewall or internal Norton setting (https://community.norton.com/en/forums/ ... ck-website).

As far as your ransomware pop-ups, just ctrl-alt-del (windows based systems) Task manager when they appear and shut down your browser that way. The pop-ups go away. You run across these on a variety of web sites. Those hackers/pirates/scum bags are clever at their craft.

PS I don't use Norton because of too many bad experiences a long time ago.
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Postby LostAvenger » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:56 am

Interestingly enough in a tenth anniversary book issued in 1989, CMJ, the trade journal of college radio, include a chart of the top 250 singles, according to airplay on American college/alternative radio, from the publication's first decade of existence, arguably the true heyday of college rock music. The tracking period is from March of 1979 to the end of 1988.

The entire list:

1. General Public, “Tenderness”
2. R.E.M., “It’s the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine)”
3. Love and Rockets, “No New Tale to Tell”
4. Talking Heads, “Burning Down the House”
5. The Smiths, “How Soon is Now?”
6. The Clash, “Rock the Casbah”
7. Siouxsie and the Banshees, “Peek-A-Boo”
8. Thomas Dolby, “She Blinded Me with Science”
9. R.E.M., “Driver 8”
10. Midnight Oil, “Beds are Burning”
11. Tears for Fears, “Shout”
12. Talking Heads, “And She Was”
13. The Replacements, “Alex Chilton”
14. Simple Minds, “Don’t You (Forget About Me)”
15. U2, “Pride (In the Name of Love)”
16. The Sugarcubes, “Birthday”
17. R.E.M., “Can’t Get There From Here”
18. R.E.M., “Superman”
19. Joan Jett & the Blackhearts, “I Love Rock ‘n’ Roll”
20. The Police, “Roxanne”
21. Public Image Ltd., “Seattle”
22. The Church, “Under the Milky Way”
23. The Cure, “In Between Days”
24. The The, “Infected”
25. Soft Cell, “Tainted Love”
26. Lou Reed, “I Love You, Suzanne”
27. Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians, “Balloon Man”
28. Big Country, “In a Big Country”
29. The Psychedelic Furs, “Pretty in Pink”
30. The Cure, “Why Can’t I Be You?”
31. Adam and the Ants, “Antmusic”
32. The Screaming Blue Messiahs, “I Wanna Be a Flintstone”
33. The Godfathers, “Birth, School, Work, Death”
34. Sinéad O’Connor, “Mandinka”
35. Howard Jones, “Things Can Only Get Better”
36. R.E.M., “The One I Love”
37. U2, “I Will Follow”
38. U2, “Sunday Bloody Sunday”
39. Go-Go’s, “Our Lips are Sealed”
40. The English Beat, “Save It for Later”
41. The Alarm, “Strength”
42. U2, “New Year’s Day”
43. R.E.M., “Fall on Me”
44. The Smithereens, “Blood and Roses”
45. The Smiths, “Bigmouth Strikes Again”
46. Romeo Void, “Never Say Never”
47. Men Without Hats, “The Safety Dance”
48. That Petrol Emotion, “Big Decision”
49. Tears for Fears, “Everybody Want to Rule the World”
50. Peter Gabriel, “Shock the Monkey”
51. Wire, “Ahead”
52. Primitives, “Crash”
53. Eurythmics, “Here Comes the Rain Again”
54. Robyn Hitchcock & the Egyptians, “If You Were a Priest”
55. Tracy Chapman, “Fast Car”
56. Echo & the Bunnymen, “Bring on the Dancing Horses”
57. Suzanne Vega, “Luka”
58. XTC, “Dear God”
59. U2, “Desire”
60. The Alarm, “Rain in the Summertime”
61. Morrissey, “Suedehead”
62. The Cult, “Love Removal Machine”
63. The Cure, “Just Like Heaven”
64. Hoodoo Gurus, “I Want You Back”
65. Echo & the Bunnymen, “Lips Like Sugar”
66. The Cult, “She Sells Sanctuary”
67. Psychedelic Furs, “Heartbreak Beat”
68. Bangles, “Hero Takes a Fall”
69. Timbuk 3, “The Future’s So Bright I Gotta Wear Shades”
70. Public Image Ltd., “Rise”
71. Shriekback, “Nemesis”
72. Elvis Costello & the Attractions, “Everyday I Write the Book”
73. Frankie Goes to Hollywood, “Two Tribes”
74. The Pretenders, “Middle of the Road”
75. Violent Femmes, “Children of the Revolution”
76. Fine Young Cannibals, “Johnny Come Home”
77. The Clash, “Police on My Back”
78. J.Geils Band, “Freeze Frame”
79. Joe Jackson, “Steppin’ Out”
80. The J. Geils Band, “Centerfold”
81. Peter Gabriel, “Sledgehammer”
82. R.E.M., “So. Central Rain (I’m Sorry)”
83. The Police, “King of Pain”
84. Romeo Void, “A Girl in Trouble (Is a Temporary Thing)”
85. The Sisters of Mercy, “This Corrosion”
86. Thomas Dolby, “Hyperactive!”
87. Julian Cope, “World Shut Your Mouth”
88. Eurythmics, “Would I Lie to You?”
89. Talking Heads, “Wild Wild Life”
90. Camper Van Beethoven, “Eye of Fatima (Part 1)”
91. The Replacements, “I Will Dare”
92. David Bowie, “Let’s Dance”
93. Kate Bush, “Running Up that Hill”
94. Ziggy Marley and the Melody Makers, “Tomorrow People”
95. U2, “Wire”
96. The Jesus and Mary Chain, “Sidewalking”
97. Howard Jones, “New Song”
98. Dead Milkmen, “Bitchin’ Camaro”
99. Greg Kihn Band, “Jeopardy”
100. New Order, “The Perfect Kiss”
101. The Bolshoi, “Away”
102. Hoodoo Gurus, “Bittersweet”
103. The Mighty Lemon Drops, “Inside Out”
104. Let’s Active, “Every Dog Has His Day”
105. The Housemartins, “Happy Hour”
106. New Order, “Bizarre Love Triangle”
107. The Smithereens, “Only a Memory”
108. The Psychedelic Furs, “Love My Way”
109. Heaven 17, “Let Me Go”
110. Love and Rockets, “Kundalini Express”
111. Gene Loves Jezebel, “Heartache”
112. The Jam, “Start!”
113. The Police, “Spirits in the Material World”
114. The Psychedelic Furs, “The Ghost in You”
115. Peter Gabriel, “Red Rain”
116. Prince and the Revolution, “Let’s Go Crazy”
117. JoBoxers, “Just Got Lucky”
118. The Jesus and Mary Chain, “Just Like Honey”
119. Pretenders, “Back on the Chain Gang”
120. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, “Refugee”
121. Tracy Chapman, “Talkin’ Bout a Revolution”
122. Culture Club, “Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?”
123. Cactus World News, “Years Later”
124. Siouxsie and the Banshees, “Cities in Dust”
125. Talking Heads, “Life During Wartime”
126. Elvis Costello and the Attractions, “Accidents Will Happen”
127. Bronski Beat, “Smalltown Boy”
128. New Order, “True Faith”
129. Big Audio Dynamite, “Just Play Music!”
130. Cocteau Twins, “Carolyn’s Fingers”
131. Talking Heads, “(Nothing But) Flowers”
132. Hüsker Dü, “Makes No Sense At All”
133. They Might Be Giants, “Ana Ng”
134. Joe Jackson, “Is She Really Going Out with Him?”
135. Eurythmics, “Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)”
136. Swans, “Love Will Tear Us Apart”
137. Simple Minds, “Alive and Kicking”
138. The Fixx, “One Thing Leads to Another”
139. Genesis, “Abacab”
140. Yes, “Owner of a Lonely Heart”
141. Men At Work, “Down Under”
142. Bangles, “Walk Like an Egyptian”
143. Dexys Midnight Runners, “Come On Eileen”
144. Blondie, “Rapture”
145. Dire Straits, “Money for Nothing”
146. Thomas Dolby, “Airhead”
147. The Human League, “Don’t You Want Me”
148. Eurythmics, “Sexcrime (Nineteen Eighty-Four)”
149. U2, “With or Without You”
150. Hüsker Dü, “Don’t Want to Know If You Are Lonely”
151. The Dead Milkmen, “Instant Club Hit (You’ll Dance to Anything)”
152. INXS, “This Time”
153. Thompson Twins, “Hold Me Now”
154. Stray Cats, “Rock This Town”
155. Hüsker Dü, “Could You Be the One?”
156. The Blow Monkeys, “Digging Your Scene”
157. XTC, “Earn Enough for Us”
158. Wire, “Kidney Bingos”
159. Elvis Costello and the Attractions, “The Only Flame in Town”
160. Patti Smith, “People Have the Power”
161. Adam Ant, “Goody Two Shoes”
162. Hoodoo Gurus, “Good Times”
163. The House of Love, “Christine”
164. Madness, “Our House”
165. Lloyd Cole and the Commotions, “Perfect Skin”
166. The Nails, “Things You Left Behind”
167. The Police, “Every Breath You Take”
168. Dire Straits, “Sultans of Swing”
169. M+M, “Black Stations/White Stations”
170. The Rolling Stones, “She’s So Cold”
171. The Clash, “Should I Stay or Should I Go?”
172. The Police, “Message in a Bottle”
173. Let’s Active, “Every Word Means No”
174. Let’s Active, “Blue Line”
175. Mojo Nixon & Skid Roper, “Elvis Is Everywhere”
176. Iggy Pop, “Cry for Love”
177. The Feelies, “Away”
178. The Style Council, “My Ever Changing Moods”
179. INXS, “Devil Inside”
180. The Rolling Stones, “Start Me Up”
181. The Smiths, “Girlfriend in a Coma”
182. Modern English, “Ink and Paper”
183. Soul Asylum, “Sometime to Return”
184. Los Lobos, “Shakin’, Shakin’, Shakes”
185. XTC, “Generals and Majors”
186. The Tubes, “Talk to Ya Later”
187. X, “4th of July”
188. The Bongos, “Barbarella”
189. Let’s Active, “In Little Ways”
190. X, “Burning House of Love”
191. Ultravox, “Reap the Wild Wind”
192. Scruffy the Cat, “Mybabyshe’sallright”
193. Blue Öyster Cult, “Burnin’ for You”
194. Modern English, “Hands Across the Sea”
195. R.E.M., “Radio Free Europe”
196. The Psychedelic Furs, “All That Money Wants”
197. Talking Heads, "Once In A Lifetime"
198. The Knack, “Good Girls Don’t”
199. Joan Jett, “Bad Reputation”
200. The Police, “Every Little Thing She Does is Magic”
201. INXS, “Need You Tonight”
202. The Who, “You Better You Bet”
203. Icicle Works, “Whisper to a Scream (Birds Fly)”
204. INXS, “What You Need”
205. Los Lobos, “Will the Wolf Survive”
206. The Teardrop Explodes, “When I Dream”
207. Echo & the Bunnymen, “The Killing Moon”
208. King Crimson, “Elephant Talk”
209. The Nails, “88 Lines About 44 Women”
210. Pink Floyd, “Another Brick in the Wall (Part 2)”
211. The Boomtown Rats, “I Don’t Like Mondays”
212. Bongos, “Numbers with Wings”
213. Katrina and the Waves, “Walking On Sunshine”
214. Modern English, “I Melt with You”
215. Duran Duran, “Hungry Like the Wolf”
216. David Bowie, “Modern Love”
217. New Order, “Love Vigilantes”
218. Simple Minds, “Waterfront”
219. Go-Go’s, “We Got the Beat”
220. fIREHOSE, “Brave Captain”
221. Wire, “Silk Skin Paws”
222. Edie Brickell & New Bohemians, “What I Am”
223. Lou Reed, “No Money Down”
224. Ministry, “Stigmata”
225. Squeeze, “Hourglass”
226. 10,000 Maniacs, “Peace Train”
227. Jason & the Scorchers, “White Lies”
228. Thompson Twins, “Lies”
229. Van Halen, “Jump”
230. Translator, “Everywhere That I’m Not”
231. Duran Duran, “Girls on Film”
232. Gary Numan, “Cars”
233. Love and Rockets, “Mirror People”
234. Ian Hunter, “Central Park N’ West”
235. U2, “Gloria”
236. Love and Rockets, “All In My Mind”
237. R.E.M., “Ages of You”
238. The Jam, “Absolute Beginners”
239. Echo & the Bunnymen, “Never Stop”
240. Fabulous Poodles, “Mirror Star”
241. The Jesus and Mary Chain, “April Skies”
242. David Bowie, “China Girl”
243. Garland Jeffreys, “96 Tears”
244. The Suburbs, “Love is the Law”
245. Eurythmics, “Missionary Man”
246. Echo & the Bunnymen, “New Direction”
247. Pretenders, “Message of Love”
248. R.E.M., “Orange Crush”
249. Foreigner, “Urgent”
250. The Knack, “My Sharona”
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Postby DrTravel » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:14 am

Interesting list of songs - I actually know all of them because...well I listened to Alternative/New Wave/Modern Rock stations when I was in college during these years. I consulted actual year end surveys from the 1980's powerhouse stations WLIR in NY, 91X in San Diego and the biggest of them all, KROQ in LA. Of course there were numerous other stations that published Top 100, Top 500 new wave songs of the 80's or all-time through the years. Quite an interesting (and often very different) list of songs. Funny that even now I know of many excellent "alternative" songs that never make the present day billboard chart... Looks like the college station's playlist matched much of the big boy radios stations although I'm always skeptical when one looks back ten years and creates a list, what kind of criteria did they use and did they re-evaluate previous rankings. Say in 1983 they said song X was the year's best while song Y was #5. 9 years later they create a Top 250 list and somehow song Y is ahead of song X... Then in another list ten years later, these songs switch positions yet again. Seen that happen many times in those annual greatest songs of all times special like the 4th of July Firecracker 500. Just a few days ago I was listening KROQ's Festive 500 on the internet. They ranked "Seven Nation Army" by the White Stripes as the top alternative song of all time. Really?
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Postby LostAvenger » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:11 pm

My biggest hunch would be that it was a points system based on all of CMJ's Top 40 College Radio Cuts charts which started in 1979 up to the end of 1988. There are top 20 issues of these charts starting from the January 22nd, 1988 issue of Radio & Records magazine up to 1989. It is quite annoying that the CMJ '80s magazines are incredibly elusive to find on the internet. :(
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Postby RokinRobinOfLocksley » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:45 am

trebor wrote:^^
Disable pop-up's, disable activeX, etc.
Other options DropBox, GoogleDrive, Microsoft cloud storage, etc.

You may download the file from here: Rock
Thanks Trebor, greatly appreciated !!

worldtraveler188 also had problems with Norton and Zippy back in November. I didn't have any troubles until January 1. I did used to get zippy pop ups frequently, but each time I closed them and re-hit the download button. Sometimes it took 5 attempts but eventually the spreadsheet download prompt came up. But no more for me using Norton and Internet Explorer 11 with Windows 10.

When I copied the zippy link into Microsoft Edge on the same PC, I did get the usual zippy home page this time, but when I clicked on the usual 'download file' button, that's when another page hijacked me with multiple pop ups and audio alarm 'end of the world, call this number to save yourself.' Totally don't understand how this is happening to me and not others. Or how Norton blocks it in IE. I'll just have to rely on the kindness of other members to upload DrT's files elsewhere so I can download them from there.

Thanks all !!
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Postby Chartaholic » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:44 am

RokinRobinOfLocksley wrote:
trebor wrote:^^
Disable pop-up's, disable activeX, etc.
Other options DropBox, GoogleDrive, Microsoft cloud storage, etc.

You may download the file from here: Rock
Thanks Trebor, greatly appreciated !!

worldtraveler188 also had problems with Norton and Zippy back in November. I didn't have any troubles until January 1. I did used to get zippy pop ups frequently, but each time I closed them and re-hit the download button. Sometimes it took 5 attempts but eventually the spreadsheet download prompt came up. But no more for me using Norton and Internet Explorer 11 with Windows 10.

When I copied the zippy link into Microsoft Edge on the same PC, I did get the usual zippy home page this time, but when I clicked on the usual 'download file' button, that's when another page hijacked me with multiple pop ups and audio alarm 'end of the world, call this number to save yourself.' Totally don't understand how this is happening to me and not others. Or how Norton blocks it in IE. I'll just have to rely on the kindness of other members to upload DrT's files elsewhere so I can download them from there.

Thanks all !!
I use an iPad. So I do not have the Norton specific issue. However, I do have all tougher similar symptoms with zippy share. Clicking on download spams several windows. When I return to the zippy tab, it's no longer on zippy but some scam spam site.

So I need to close all the windows and start again. After about 3-5 times, it finally downloads the file.

I used to be able to disable JavaScript and it simply download. However for the past several months, zippy will not download without JavaScript enabled. And that is what causes the window spamming.

But it's all worth the effort. DrTravel does awesome work, and I much appreciate his efforts!

Unfortunately due to iPad memory limitations, I am unable to view the full lists. For each tab, the iPad will only show about the first 2500 lines.

But i read and enjoy the parts I can access :)
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