IFPI: top-selling albums and singles of 2017

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Postby Shayonce » Sun May 06, 2018 8:02 am

^
Gaon's "Digital chart" is revenue chart while download and streaming, others are just raw number. do you understand korean? because I do. lol

they set those 150:1 / 1,500:1 ratio based on avg revenue per stream $0.006. 150 =$0.9 / 1,500= $9.
for example OCC "the 1,000 ratio is used to reflect the broad difference in value between a track stream and the price paid for an album."
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun May 06, 2018 11:19 am

They should simply make a download and a streaming chart for the singles. From a worldwide view, downloads are still okay.

Physical shipments sometimes take up to a year or more to be sent back.
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Postby Wayne » Sun May 06, 2018 12:00 pm

KokoCollino wrote:Physical shipments sometimes take up to a year or more to be sent back.
In what countries?

I could be mistaken but I vaguely remember reading something on this a few years ago about the UK charts. Here in the UK, a retailer pays for the albums they think they are able to sell - I believe that they have 28 days from that point to then decide whether they wish to return the albums to the label (it's not like it used to be - "sale or return").

Will see if I can find the article.
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Postby Magnetico » Sun May 06, 2018 1:37 pm

Shayonce wrote:^
Gaon's "Digital chart" is revenue chart while download and streaming, others are just raw number. do you understand korean? because I do. lol

they set those 150:1 / 1,500:1 ratio based on avg revenue per stream $0.006. 150 =$0.9 / 1,500= $9.
for example OCC "the 1,000 ratio is used to reflect the broad difference in value between a track stream and the price paid for an album."
Maybe I don't speak Korean as good as you do, I think my English is much better but still I don't understand your last sentence.
Can you, please show me where on Gaon website they say about Digital Chart being a revenue based chart? The only place where we can find any info about it is on section FAQ, question 5 from the top, point 1 of the answer, but what we really have up there? Digital Chart is an aggregate of downloads, streaming and background music adjusted for right fees. Where they say about the ratio you quote and the prices for a stream? Where they say about ratio and the prices for a downloaded track or background music track? Because Digital Chart consists from those three components, not only one. If Gaon Digital Chart is revenue based does it mean that the "big" number we have next to each song is an income in Korean Won? If yes why it's called Gaon Digital Score? And finally why certification is for streaming (100 mln / 1 BLN), not for revenue?
I checked many different forums and had discussion with many people about it, most of them are very confused and not happy about the new system Gaon uses. Well it's not so new, because a few years ago Gaon had something similar to current one. It seems that some kind of revenue is used to calculate the Digital Charts but we can't say it's pure revenue based chart.
But maybe I'm wrong, I always eager to learn something new and if there is an opportunity to do it about Korean Gaon charts, I will be more than happy. In the end we are here to help each other, especially with the things which are not clear.
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Postby esambuu » Tue May 08, 2018 2:39 am

someone please give us details about Top 50 global selling albums of 2017 (Which is included in Global Music Report 2018's paid version)
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Postby stevyy » Mon May 14, 2018 2:14 pm

travextina wrote:Biggest Phonographic Countries
1. USA
2. Japan
3. Germany
4. United Kingdom
5. France
6. South Korea
7. Canada
8. Australia
9. Brazil
10. China

Growth:
1. Latin America: 17,7%
2. North America: 12,8%
3. Asia / Oceania: 5,4%
4. Europe: 4,3%
yass at Germany. It is crazy to see China in the top 10 now.
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Postby LostAvenger » Wed May 16, 2018 4:33 pm

Blessed be the fruit, we have the full top 50!

1 Ed Sheeran ÷ 6.1 Warner
2 Taylor Swift Reputation 4.5 Universal
3 P!nk Beautiful Trauma 1.8 Sony Music
4 Rag'n'bone Man Human 1.6 Sony Music
5 Sam Smith The Thrill Of It All 1.4 Universal
6 U2 Songs Of Experience 1.3 Universal
7 Kendrick Lamar DAMN. 1.3 Universal
8 Eminem Revival 1.1 Universal
9 Harry Styles Harry Styles 1.0 Sony Music
10 Bruno Mars 24K Magic 1.0 Warner
11 Helene Fischer Helene Fischer 1.0 Universal
12 Imagine Dragons Evolve 1.0 Universal
13 Chris Stapleton From A Room: Volume 1 0.8 Universal
14 Depeche Mode Spirit 0.8 Sony Music
15 Katy Perry Witness 0.8 Universal
16 Ed Sheeran X 0.8 Warner
17 Foo Fighters Concrete And Gold 0.7 Sony Music
18 Linkin Park One More Light 0.7 Warner
19 The Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 2017 0.7 Universal
20 Pentatonix A Pentatonix Christmas Deluxe 0.6 Sony Music
21 Shania Twain Now 0.6 Universal
22 Niall Horan Flicker 0.5 Universal
23 Gorillaz Humanz 0.5 Warner
24 Drake More Life 0.5 Universal
25 Hamilton (Original Broadway Cast) Hamilton Cast Recording 0.5 Warner
26 Twenty One Pilots Blurryface 0.5 Warner
27 The Chainsmokers Memories…Do Not Open 0.5 Sony Music
28 Maroon 5 Red Pill Blues 0.5 Universal
29 Lana Del Rey Lust For Life 0.5 Universal
30 Arcade Fire Everything Now 0.5 Sony Music
31 Chris Stapleton Traveller 0.5 Universal
32 The Weeknd Starboy 0.5 Universal
33 Roger Waters Is This The Life We Really Want? 0.5 Sony Music
34 The Kelly Family We Got Love 0.4 Universal
35 Michael Bublé Christmas 0.4 Warner
36 Liam Gallagher As You Were 0.4 Warner
37 QOTSA Villains 0.4 Beggars Group
38 The Killers Wonderful Wonderful 0.4 Universal
39 Kenny Chesney Live In No Shoes Nation 0.4 Sony Music
40 Chris Stapleton From A Room: Volume 2 0.4 Universal
41 Lorde Melodrama 0.4 Universal
42 Adele 25 0.4 XL Recordings (XL Recordings/Sony Music for the USA and Latin America)
43 Nirvana Nevermind 0.4 Universal
44 Amy Winehouse Back To Black 0.4 Universal
45 Kids United Forever United 0.4 Warner
46 John Mayer The Search For Everything 0.4 Sony Music
47 Linkin Park Hybrid Theory 0.4 Warner
48 Little Mix Glory Days 0.4 Sony Music
49 Ed Sheeran + 0.3 Warner
50 Keith Urban Ripcord 0.3 Universal
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Postby Wayne » Wed May 16, 2018 4:41 pm

Absolutely dreadful the further towards the bottom you get.
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Postby beredy » Wed May 16, 2018 4:53 pm

Wayne wrote:Absolutely dreadful the further towards the bottom you get.
I numbers or the music quality? Because quality for the most part goes up as you go down :lol:
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Postby nympho » Thu May 17, 2018 7:00 am

Thank you LostAvenger!

What’s the source, though?
I could only find it on a Chinese forum...

Completely terrible to see the #50 with 300k copies.
They better make it SPS soon, otherwise we’ll get to see the #50 below 100k... :(
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Postby Shayonce » Thu May 17, 2018 7:28 am

thanks.
but where is jay z tho. his album sold over 400k pure sales in US.
wow at ed sheeran 3 albums in top 50.
beatles, nirvana, amy winhouse !!
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Postby beredy » Thu May 17, 2018 7:39 am

Shayonce wrote:but where is jay z tho. his album sold over 400k pure sales in US.
Maybe he faked those numbers too.
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Postby Rolling » Thu May 17, 2018 9:53 am

beredy wrote:
Shayonce wrote:but where is jay z tho. his album sold over 400k pure sales in US.
Maybe he faked those numbers too.
Most likely lol.
But but but where's the album about lemons? According to Bey fans it's the new 21. If it was it would be in the top 50.

But that title goes to Christmas by Buble, been in the top 50 since 2011.
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Postby stevyy » Thu May 17, 2018 10:15 am

LostAvenger wrote:Blessed be the fruit, we have the full top 50!

1 Ed Sheeran ÷ 6.1 Warner
2 Taylor Swift Reputation 4.5 Universal
3 P!nk Beautiful Trauma 1.8 Sony Music
5 Sam Smith The Thrill Of It All 1.4 Universal
8 Eminem Revival 1.1 Universal
9 Harry Styles Harry Styles 1.0 Sony Music
10 Bruno Mars 24K Magic 1.0 Warner
11 Helene Fischer Helene Fischer 1.0 Universal
12 Imagine Dragons Evolve 1.0 Universal
15 Katy Perry Witness 0.8 Universal
16 Ed Sheeran X 0.8 Warner
18 Linkin Park One More Light 0.7 Warner
21 Shania Twain Now 0.6 Universal
22 Niall Horan Flicker 0.5 Universal
23 Gorillaz Humanz 0.5 Warner
24 Drake More Life 0.5 Universal
26 Twenty One Pilots Blurryface 0.5 Warner
27 The Chainsmokers Memories…Do Not Open 0.5 Sony Music
28 Maroon 5 Red Pill Blues 0.5 Universal
29 Lana Del Rey Lust For Life 0.5 Universal
30 Arcade Fire Everything Now 0.5 Sony Music
32 The Weeknd Starboy 0.5 Universal
34 The Kelly Family We Got Love 0.4 Universal
35 Michael Bublé Christmas 0.4 Warner
36 Liam Gallagher As You Were 0.4 Warner
38 The Killers Wonderful Wonderful 0.4 Universal
41 Lorde Melodrama 0.4 Universal
42 Adele 25 0.4 XL Recordings (XL Recordings/Sony Music for the USA and Latin America)
43 Nirvana Nevermind 0.4 Universal
44 Amy Winehouse Back To Black 0.4 Universal
46 John Mayer The Search For Everything 0.4 Sony Music
47 Linkin Park Hybrid Theory 0.4 Warner
49 Ed Sheeran + 0.3 Warner
I actually own these albums on either CD / Vinyl or digital.

I'm such a music stan.
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Postby Wayne » Thu May 17, 2018 11:27 am

Shayonce wrote:thanks.
but where is jay z tho. his album sold over 400k pure sales in US.
wow at ed sheeran 3 albums in top 50.
beatles, nirvana, amy winhouse !!
Is it a new released album?

Or was it released prior to 2017? If so, maybe the shipments occurred prior to 2017.
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Postby Magnetico » Thu May 17, 2018 11:34 am

IFPI is not global any more. With lots of errors and of course fake numbers. Thanks God SPS is not included. But I don't want to have the same discussion about it. Just wanna repeat: album must be an album, if the albums are not selling any more, so be it. Even if that means there will be very low numbers (#50 with less than 100 K copies, so what??) or there will be no album charts at all. Most countries in the world don't have album charts, because there aren't enough numbers of copies being sold, they don't try artificially create those numbers, like some western countries do now.

#50 on this chart has sold 0,3 mln copies. That means it can be 250.000 or 349.999, right? So where are the albums from France?:

Soprano - L'Everest 406.100
Vianney - Vianney 310.300
Johnny Hallyday - 50 Plus Belles Chansons 269.100
Calogero - Liberté Chérie 268.300
Claudio Capéo - Claudio Capéo 265.300
Les Enfoirés - Mission Enfoirés 263.200

These are only physical + digital copies.

And how about Japan and those albums taken from Oricon 2017 yearly chart (only physical copies and without at least two last weeks of the year):

Namie Amuro - Finally 1.777.850
SMAP - SMAP 25 Years 1.174.338
Arashi - Untitled 774.993
AKB48 - Thumbnail 632.615
Back Number - Encore 555.480
Sandaime J Soul Brothers From Exile Tribe - The JSB World 467.005
Nogizaka 46 - The Dream I Saw For The First Time I Was Born 411.265
Kanjani Eight - Jam 375.219
Keyakizaka 46 - I Want To Foul White Blank Objects 366.525
Hey! Say! Jump - Hey! Say! Jump 2007-2017 I/O 355.491
One OK Rock - Ambitions 347.476
Yuzu - Yuzu Iroha 1997-2017 337.484
Keisuke Kuwata - Garakuta 286.573
Spitz - Cycle Hit 1991-2007 Spitz Complete Single Collection 258.942
Twice - Twice 256.282

We can add of course digital copies for those albums too. Some examples:

Back Number - Encore 108.397
One OK Rock - Ambitions 79.611
Yuzu - Yuzu Iroha 28.695

Kenshi Yonezu - Bootleg has been sold in Japan in 2017 in 241.754 physical copies and 44.434 digital

No South Korea on the chart either:

BTS - LOVE YOURSELF:HER 1.493.443
EXO - THE WAR (korean version) 949.827
BTS - YOU NEVER WALK ALONE 768.402
WANNA ONE - TO BE ONE 741.546
WANNA ONE - NOTHING WITHOUT YOU 614.072
EXO - UNIVERSE 516.062
EXO - THE POWER OF MUSIC (korean version) 455.269
GOT 7 - 7 FOR 7 368.589
SEVENTEEN - TEENAGE 357.296
GOT 7 - ARRIVAL 334.316
SEVENTEEN - AI1 331.888
TWICE - TWICETAGRAM 320.389
NU'EST - W, HERE 308.108
TWICE - SIGNAL 285.294
TWICE - TWICECOASTER LANE 2 277.716

Numbers above are only from S. Korea of course and are physical copies, but we know that with other countries those numbers are even bigger.
Why still anybody pay any attention to IFPI reports?
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Postby Mickael2013 » Thu May 17, 2018 1:48 pm

11. for Helene Fischer it's very huge .. 1,000,000 pure sales 2017 with only Germany, Austria, Switzerland ( especially Germany in sales )

With only 3 countries, Helene Fischer manages to compete with all other artists in the world !!! ... Legend 8-)

In Germany, Helene Fischer has a monumental success. I do not know if was already an other artist who dominated so much Germany sales.
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Postby Shayonce » Thu May 17, 2018 2:19 pm

yeah. it's shame their list is so incomplete right now. only 1 non english album.
but we have no option for official global number.
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Postby beredy » Thu May 17, 2018 3:55 pm

^^^Jay-Z faking sales all over the world.
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Postby LostAvenger » Thu May 17, 2018 4:22 pm

Top 20 singles has now been revealed too:

1 Ed Sheeran Shape Of You 26.6
2 Luis Fonsi Despacito 24.3
3 The Chainsmokers & Coldplay Something Just Like This 11.5
4 Bruno Mars That's What I Like 9.7
5 The Chainsmokers Closer 9.0
6 Kendrick Lamar HUMBLE. 8.3
7 Charlie Puth Attention 8.3
8 Dj Khaled I'm The One 7.9
9 Ed Sheeran Perfect 7.9
10 Imagine Dragons Believer 7.8
11 ZAYN/Taylor Swift I Don’t Wanna Live Forever (Fifty Shades Darker) 7.7
12 Zedd Stay 7.6
13 Clean Bandit Rockabye (feat. Sean Paul & Anne-Marie) 7.4
14 Ed Sheeran Castle On The Hill 7.4
15 French Montana Unforgettable 7.4
16 Post Malone Rockstar 7.3
17 Imagine Dragons Thunder 7.1
18 Dj Snake Let Me Love You 6.9
19 Shawn Mendes There's Nothing Holdin' Me Back 6.6
20 The Chainsmokers Paris 6.6
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Postby Wayne » Thu May 17, 2018 5:05 pm

Magnetico wrote:#50 on this chart has sold 0,3 mln copies. That means it can be 250.000 or 349.999, right? So where are the albums from France?:

Soprano - L'Everest 406.100
Vianney - Vianney 310.300
Johnny Hallyday - 50 Plus Belles Chansons 269.100
Calogero - Liberté Chérie 268.300
Claudio Capéo - Claudio Capéo 265.300
Les Enfoirés - Mission Enfoirés 263.200

These are only physical + digital copies.
The IFPI list deals with shipments only - half of your albums are pre-2017 releases (and therefore, though their sales may be what you posted, less than 349,000 of the shipments might have been shipped prior to 2017). Further, as you said - the list covers up to 349,000 at the bottom - therefore, the other half of your list likely have shipped less than that.

Magnetico wrote:And how about Japan and those albums taken from Oricon 2017 yearly chart (only physical copies and without at least two last weeks of the year):

No South Korea on the chart either:
Can't understand why they've excluded Asian acts.
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Postby Magnetico » Thu May 17, 2018 6:39 pm

Wayne wrote:
The IFPI list deals with shipments only - half of your albums are pre-2017 releases (and therefore, though their sales may be what you posted, less than 349,000 of the shipments might have been shipped prior to 2017). Further, as you said - the list covers up to 349,000 at the bottom - therefore, the other half of your list likely have shipped less than that.
There are albums pre-2017 on IFPI list already like Bruno Mars - 24K Magic (2016), Linkin Park - Hybrid Theory (2000) or Amy Winehouse - Back To Black (2006).... They don't have any problems with shipments, only French albums? But no Asian acts say everything about this list. :wink:
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Postby Wayne » Thu May 17, 2018 6:44 pm

You’re missing the point. If those albums shipped sufficient copies, they’d be on the list.

I think the real and only issue is the absence of Asian acts.
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Postby Magnetico » Thu May 17, 2018 7:03 pm

I think the real point is still the same: shipments are not real sales, because you can ship 1.000.000 copies to the shops and sell only 200.000 or less. So we can't say IFPI list is the list of best selling albums, can we? :roll:
I can't believe they demand so much money for this crap.
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Postby esambuu » Fri May 18, 2018 12:18 am

LostAvenger wrote:Blessed be the fruit, we have the full top 50!l
Thank you for posting, can you give us source link?

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