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Postby davedave » Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:34 pm

hey if you have any idea or clue please help. i think the top five goes like this:

the beatles
elvis
elton john
ABBA
led Zeppelin

Please help if ya can :D
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Postby Cass » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:53 am

I don't know about album sales but the top three combined sellers are Elvis,The Beatles and Bing Crosby. :P
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Postby Cass » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:55 am

I don't know about album sales but the top three combined sellers are Elvis,The Beatles and Bing Crosby. :P
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Postby davedave » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:17 am

i dont think Bing Crosby is in the top three, if you have numbers that could help :P
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Postby exhale » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:32 pm

Totally The beatles!!!!
True love is hard to find!!
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Postby pepster » Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:38 pm

exhale wrote:Totally The beatles!!!!
Yeah, it's the beatles, but the one billion figure is very contraversial.
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Postby mansfield » Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:10 pm

Elton John has sold (albums & singles) about 280 million
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Postby davedave » Sun Aug 21, 2005 4:33 pm

Do you think elton has sold more than Led Zeppelin. Also where do you think he is on the top 20 biggest sellers od all time
?? :P
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Postby davedave » Sun Aug 21, 2005 5:48 pm

In 1975, Elton was said to have sold 43 million albums and 18 million singles in the U.S. alone. Today, he is "certified" by the Recording Industry Association of America for sales of approximately 67 million albums. (should be higher.) It is my contention that the RIAA has seriously undercounted Elton's U.S. sales due to changes in RIAA certification methods over the years. In particular, it seems that Elton's pre-1976 U.S. sales may not have been certified at all. Therefore, I expect that Elton's U.S. sales are in the realm of at least 100 million albums.
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Postby Basil » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:50 pm

davedave wrote:It is my contention that the RIAA has seriously undercounted Elton's U.S. sales due to changes in RIAA certification methods over the years.
What changes in the certifications system? And why has this affected just Elton?

davedave wrote: In particular, it seems that Elton's pre-1976 U.S. sales may not have been certified at all. Therefore, I expect that Elton's U.S. sales are in the realm of at least 100 million albums.
His pre-1976 releases were certified

1971 - Gold Albums for

Elton John
Tumbleweed Connection
Friends

1972 - Gold Albums for

Madman Across the Water
Honky Chateau

1973 - Gold Albums for

Don't Shoot Me
Goodbye Yellowbrick Road

1974 - Gold Albums for

Caribou
Greatest Hits

1975 - Gold Albums for

Captain Fantastic
Rock Of the Westies

Most of these got higher certifications later, in particular, Greatest Hits which is 16x Platinum.
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Postby mansfield » Sun Aug 21, 2005 6:51 pm

yes...probably 100m only in the US - and so..over 280m Worldwide -
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Postby davedave » Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:57 pm

well it doesnt effect just elton if effects every artist post 1990(introduction of Nelsen) it is impossible to count every album sold for anyone so RIAA has to guess and add numbers to the numbers they get from nelsen. i just think the RIAA has'nt given elton and other artists the right number. thats all :P
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Postby Cass » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:39 am

During June of 1960,The Hollywood Chamber Of Commerce gives Bing an award as first citizen of the Recording Industry to sell over 200 million records.During 1970,Decca Records awards Bing with a plaque that puts Bing's sales at 300.650.000 sales. :wink:
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Postby Cass » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:47 am

During the spring of 1961,Elvis is given recognition for selling over 80 million American sales at an RCA charity dinner and Variety puts Elvis' American sales at well over 100 million,during 1965.During 1969,Elvis told reporters at Vegas that he had sold over 250 million records. :wink:
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Postby Cass » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:59 am

EMI estimates The Beatles have just reached 100 million American sales and 200 million worldwide sales,during 1971.
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Postby davedave » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:05 am

Cass wrote:During June of 1960,The Hollywood Chamber Of Commerce gives Bing an award as first citizen of the Recording Industry to sell over 200 million records.During 1970,Decca Records awards Bing with a plaque that puts Bing's sales at 300.650.000 sales. :wink:
Hey Cass thanks thats really helpful. where did u get this info please :lol:
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Postby Cass » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:10 am

EMI estimates The Beatles have just reached 100 million American sales and 200 million worldwide sales,during 1971.
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Postby zeus555 » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:53 am

Hi,
The Global top 10 Music Acts, will contain, SOME of the following Acts.

The Beatles*, Elvis Presley*, ABBA*, Queen, Bing Crosby*, Madonna*, Elton John*, Michael Jackson*, The Rolling Stones*, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, The Bee Gees, Led Zeppelin, Frank Sinatra, Whitney Houston, Julio Iglesias, & Cliff Richard. (I am NOT counting Nana Mouskouri, as I do not believe that she has sold 200 Million to 300 Million Records. I have seen no evidence for it - in ANY of my International Chart books).

Those with a * next to them, are pretty certain to be in that Top 10 - the rest are a matter of working it out - carefully.....

As is the ORDER of the Top 10. The Beatles, and Elvis, are certain to be Number 1, and Number 2. But who is at 1, and who is at 2? It is pretty certain, that Elvis, sold more SINGLES, than The Beatles - However, they definitely sold more ALBUMS, than he did.....

Despite all the Hype around him, Robbie Williams, will not be in the, All Time Top 20 Acts, in my estimation. His 27 Million to 30 Million Album Sales are not enough. Nor, are his - much lower than that - Singles Sales. He means NOTHING in the USA.

Nor will Westlife, be anywhere near the Top 10. It is claimed, that they have sold 38 Million Albums.

Again, they mean Zero in the USA - apart from reaching Number 20 there, with, 'Swear It Again', in 1999, or so.

With over 100 Million USA ALBUM Sales, Garth Brooks, WILL be near the Top 10 All Time Acts - but, he means practically NOTHING, outside the USA.

Nearly all his Albums were sold within the United States.

The Eagles, may well be close, to the Top 10 Acts too, but the bulk of their Sales were in the USA.

Maybe 80% to 90% of them.....

The Carpenters MAY be in the Top 20 Acts, but I do not think they would be in the Top 10. They mainly sold Albums, outside the USA. Only in the USA, were they selling lots of SINGLES as well - consistent Top 5 Singles.....They were never consistent Singles Sellers in Britain, (for example). Although they had a few Top 5 UK Singles, they never had a UK Number 1 Single.

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Postby rewardman » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:03 pm

good list zeus

do you really think Cliff has sold in excess of 200 million records

I would have thought it was closer to 140 million

counting a single as 1 record, an EP as 1 record and an album as 1 record

some places i think people multiply albums by a factor of three or four to take account of the greater number of songs and value of an album versus singles - if you do that then sure Cliff will be nearer 300 million than 200.

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Postby Herkenrath » Mon Aug 22, 2005 5:14 pm

Cass wrote:EMI estimates The Beatles have just reached 100 million American sales and 200 million worldwide sales,during 1971.
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Postby Basil » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:53 pm

davedave wrote:well it doesnt effect just elton if effects every artist post 1990(introduction of Nelsen) it is impossible to count every album sold for anyone so RIAA has to guess and add numbers to the numbers they get from nelsen. i just think the RIAA has'nt given elton and other artists the right number. thats all :P
Sorry davedave, I don't understand this post.

Soundscan and riaa are separate. Soundscan figures have nothing to do with riaa certifications.

Would recommend you read Edu's Introduction to Worldwide Sales thread.

Essentially, for an riaa award the record company apply to the riaa. An independent team of auditors checks the figures. These figures are albums or singles shipped to distributors - nothing to do with shop sales or soundscan.

The introduction of soundscan in 1991 had no effect whatsoever on riaa awards.

Elton's record companies have been applying to the riaa for awards since 1971 - there are no "missing" sales that we know of.
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Postby davedave » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:11 pm

srry basil my head was in a different place when i wrote this. im just saying that RIAA has to give estimates to almost everyone right?. also i read eds worldwide sales thing and it makes alot more sence thanks. :D
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Postby Basil » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:39 pm

davedave wrote: im just saying that RIAA has to give estimates to almost everyone right?.
There's no estimates involved davedave. The shipment figures are audited by a team of accountants.
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Postby davedave » Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:45 pm

i got this from some sites. now i dont think its right so pick at it and try and make it right if ya want


The Beatles 1,150,000,000
Elvis Presley 1,100,000,000
Elton John 375,000,000
(tie)ABBA 375,000,000
Bing Crosby 350,000,000
Michael Jackson 275,000,000
The Rolling Stones 250,000,000
Pink Floyd 250,000,000
Madonna 250,000,000
Led Zeppelin 225,000,000
Mariah Carey 220,000,000
Celine Dion 215,000,000
Whitney Houston 210,000,000
Julio Iglesias 210,000,000
Cliff Richard 210,000,000
Frank Sinatra 210,000,000
Queen 200,000,000
Leonard Cohen 180,000,000
Nana Mouskouri 195,000,000
AC/DC 160,000,000
The Jackson 5 170,000,000
Metallica 170,000,000
Genesis 160,000,000
Phil Collins 155,000,000
U2 150,000,000
Mireille Mathieu 150,000,000
Paul Anka 150,000,000
David Bowie 136,000,000
Status Quo 135,000,000
E. Humperdinck 130,000,000
Wei Wei 120,000,000
Chicago 122,000,000
Neil Diamond 120,000,000
Garth Brooks 120,000,000
Prince 120,000,000
The Bee Gees 110,000,000
Bon Jovi 110,000,000
R.E.M. 110,000,000
Janet Jackson 105,000,000
Kenny Rogers 105,000,000
Barbra Streisand 102,000,000
Neil Young 100,000,000
Black Sabbath 100,000,000
Ricky Nelson 100,000,000
Luciano Pavarotti 100,000,000
Brenda Lee 100,000,000
A. R. Rahman 100,000,000
Illayaraja 100,000,000
Barry White 100,000,000
Deep Purple 100,000,000
Lionel Richie 100,000,000
Dolly Parton 100,000,000
Donna Summer 100,000,000
VickyLeandros 100,000,000
Rod Stewart 100,000,000
Aerosmith 100,000,000
Billy Joel 100,000,000
Fleetwood Mac 100,000,000
Johnny Hallyday 100,000,000
Charles Aznavour 100,000,000
Bruce Springsteen 96,000,000
Shania Twain 95,000,000
Britney Spears 95,000,000
The Eagles 90,000,000
Bob Dylan 90,000,000
The Ventures 90,000,000
Earth, Wind & Fire 90,000,000
B'z 86,000,000
Eddy Arnold 85,000,000
Jean-Michel Jarre 80,000,000
Bjork 80,000,000
Eurythmics 80,000,000
KISS 80,000,000
Santana 80,000,000
Dalida 80,000,000
Salvatore Adamo 80,000,000
Fairouz 80,000,000
Hank Snow 80,000,000
Eric Clapton 80,000,000
Stevie Wonder 80,000,000
Boney M 80,000,000
Spice Girls 76,000,000
Backstreet Boys 75,000,000
Bobby Vinton 75,000,000
Sade 75,000,000
Paul McCartney 75,000,000
Chet Atkins 75,000,000
Victor Silvester 75,000,000
Journey 75,000,000
Richard Clayderman 75,000,000
Def Leppard 74,000,000
Dire Straits 74,000,000
Petula Clark 71,000,000
The Carpenters 70,000,000
Kool & the Gang 70,000,000
Gloria Estefan 70,000,000
Duran Duran 70,000,000
Enya 70,000,000
Kenny G 70,000,000
Roberto Carlos 70,000,000
Charley Pride 70,000,000
Ray Conniff 70,000,000
Ozzy Osbourne 70,000,000
Bay City Rollers 70,000,000
Van Halen 70,000,000
Adriano Celentano 70,000,000

this is only the top 100 i have 200 other ranks but i dont think we need them, if you want i can post it.
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Postby davedave » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:26 pm

k Basil i guess i dont get how the hole thing works so could you explain it to me?
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