RIAA: MercyMe 3xP. Aguilera 3 Gold Albums

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Postby iHypeMusic » Fri Jan 05, 2018 5:47 pm

The RIAA should implement a rule that double albums still have to get the same amount of streams as a normal album for a Gold/Platinum/etc certification.

Chris Brown's album has 57 songs altogether. Meaning if someone listened to his album once, it'd be counted over 4x more than a normal length album being listened to once towards a certification. (57 streams versus 10-15 streams)

If his album is getting 4x more counted per listen due to it's length alone, why give it more advantage with lowering the requirements for its certification?

The lower qualifications made sense with pure sales since the purchase of a 57 track album and a 12 track album were counted equally, but it does not make sense with streams whereas double (or longer) albums get more streams counted per listen therefore actually get rewarded more to begin with.
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Postby thebigham » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:17 pm

Looks like the RIAA is taking a whole month off from posting the latest certifications. Grrr...

The RIAA had 1,671 single certifications in 2017!

Let's look at the Top Artists Digital Singles:

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab ... ch_section

1. RIHANNA Certification Units: 120.5
2. TAYLOR SWIFT Certification Units: 106.5
3. KATY PERRY Certification Units: 91.5
4. JUSTIN BIEBER Certification Units: 68.5
5. LADY GAGA Certification Units: 60
6. BRUNO MARS Certification Units: 52.5
7. DRAKE Certification Units: 52
8. KANYE WEST Certification Units: 50.5
9. CHRIS BROWN Certification Units: 49
10. FLO RIDA Certification Units: 43

11.ED SHEERAN Certification Units: 40.5
12. LUKE BRYAN Certification Units: 40
13. THE WEEKND Certification Units: 38
14. EMINEM Certification Units: 34
15. FLORIDA GEORGIA LINE Certification Units: 32.5
16. LIL WAYNE Certification Units: 32
17. ADELE Certification Units: 31.5
18. CARRIE UNDERWOOD Certification Units: 30.5
19. LINKIN PARK Certification Units: 29.5
20. WIZ KHALIFA Certification Units: 29

21. NICKI MINAJ Certification Units: 28
22. JASON ALDEAN Certification Units: 27.5
23. ARIANA GRANDE Certification Units: 26.5
24. JASON DERULO Certification Units: 26
25. MEGHAN TRAINOR Certification Units: 25.5
26. BLAKE SHELTON Certification Units: 25.5
27. TWENTY ONE PILOTS Certification Units: 25
28. BEYONCE Certification Units: 25
29. FALL OUT BOY Certification Units: 24.5
30. MAROON 5 Certification Units: 24

31. MACKLEMORE & RYAN LEWIS Certification Units: 22.5
32. THE BLACK EYED PEAS Certification Units: 22
33. ZAC BROWN BAND Certification Units: 21.5
34. TIM MCGRAW Certification Units: 21
35. FUTURE Certification Units: 21
36. DJ KHALED Certification Units: 20.5
37. BIG SEAN Certification Units: 20
38. IMAGINE DRAGONS Certification Units: 20
39. QUEENCertification Units: 19.5
40. THE CHAINSMOKERS Certification Units: 19

Note: Features are not counted. Chris Brown is at 49xP, but with his features, he is at 65xP.

Many artists are under-certified. Maroon 5 is at 24xP, but should be closer to 40xP.
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Postby thebigham » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:30 pm

The RIAA had 404 album certifications in 2017.

Top Artists Albums

https://www.riaa.com/gold-platinum/?tab ... ch_section

1. THE BEATLES Certification Units: 178
2. GARTH BROOKS Certification Units: 148
3. ELVIS PRESLEY Certification Units: 136
4. LED ZEPPELIN Certification Units: 111.5
5. EAGLES Certification Units: 101
6. BILLY JOEL Certification Units: 82.5
7. MICHAEL JACKSON Certification Units: 81
8. ELTON JOHN Certification Units: 78
9. PINK FLOYD Certification Units: 75
10. AC/DC Certification Units: 72

11. GEORGE STRAIT Certification Units: 69
12. BARBRA STREISAND Certification Units: 68.5
13. THE ROLLING STONES Certification Units: 66.5
14. AEROSMITH Certification Units: 66.5
15. BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN Certification Units: 65.5
16. MADONNA Certification Units: 64.5
17. MARIAH CAREY Certification Units: 64
18. METALLICA Certification Units: 63
19. WHITNEY HOUSTON Certification Units: 58
20. VAN HALEN Certification Units: 56.5

21. U2 Certification Units: 52
22. CELINE DION Certification Units: 50
23. FLEETWOOD MAC Certification Units: 49.5
24. NEIL DIAMOND Certification Units: 49.5
25. JOURNEY,Certification Units: 48
26. KENNY G Certification Units: 48
27. SHANIA TWAIN Certification Units: 48
28. KENNY ROGERS Certification Units: 47.5
29. ALABAMA Certification Units: 46.5
30. BOB SEGER & THE SILVER BULLET BAND Certification Units: 44.5

31. GUNS N' ROSES Certification Units: 44.5
32. EMINEM Certification Units: 44.5
33. ALAN JACKSON Certification Units: 43.5
34. SANTANA Certification Units: 43.5
35. TAYLOR SWIFT Certification Units: 41.5
36. REBA MC ENTIRE Certification Units: 41
37. ERIC CLAPTON Certification Units: 40
38. CHICAGO Certification Units: 38.5
39. SIMON & GARFUNKEL Certification Units: 38.5
40. ROD STEWART Certification Units: 38

Note: Features are not included. Barbra Streisand should be 72.5xP.

Every artist above has numerous under-certified albums.

Most of the certs are under the old album certification rules. A few artists above have SPS album certs.
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Postby CelinetoBarbra » Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:20 pm

Barbra is so underreted, should be 96.5P
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Postby stevyy » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:32 pm

the riaa couldn't be more inaccurate.
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Postby thebigham » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:10 pm

RIAA.com:

LEON BRIDGES
Title: COMING HOME
Certification Date: January 12, 2018
Label: COLUMBIA
Format: ALBUM
Gold

HOZIER
Title: HOZIER
Certification Date: January 12, 2018
Label: COLUMBIA
Format: ALBUM
2xP

ATREYU
Title: LEAD SAILS PAPER ANCHOR
Certification Date: January 11, 2018
Label: HOLLYWOOD RECORDS
Format: ALBUM
Gold

WHITNEY HOUSTON
Title: ONE WISH
Certification Date: January 11, 2018
Label: ARISTA RECORDS
Format: ALBUM
Gold

PLAYBOI CARTI
Title: PLAYBOI CARTI
Certification Date: January 10, 2018
Label: INTERSCOPE/AWGE
Format: ALBUM
Gold

DAN + SHAY
Title: WHERE IT ALL BEGAN
Certification Date: January 10, 2018
Label: WARNER BROS RECORDS
Format: ALBUM
Gold

ERIC CHURCH
Title: MR. MISUNDERSTOOD
Certification Date: January 3, 2018
Label: EMI RECORDS NASHVILLE
Format: ALBUM
Platinum
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Postby GetBack » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:15 am

If Whitney released One Wish at her vocal prime or sometime during The Preacher's Wife, it would have been monumental! :cry: :cry:
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Postby spiritboy » Fri Jan 19, 2018 1:17 am

Good for Hozier. Looking forward to his upcoming album.
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Postby frrr » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:36 pm

stevyy wrote:the riaa couldn't be more inaccurate.
They are accurate, don't blame them for the fact that the labels don't care and don't send the paperwork they need to get certifications.
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Postby stevyy » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:11 pm

frrr wrote:
stevyy wrote:the riaa couldn't be more inaccurate.
They are accurate, don't blame them for the fact that the labels don't care and don't send the paperwork they need to get certifications.
the system is rigged... it makes no sense that labels have to pay for every individual certification.

AIWFCIY has sold 3,3 million digital downloads, but is only certified GOLD... i mean it's ridiculous.

as long as the riaa sticks to these 1950's rules, they'll be inaccurate.
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Postby frrr » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:09 pm

stevyy wrote:
frrr wrote:
stevyy wrote:the riaa couldn't be more inaccurate.
They are accurate, don't blame them for the fact that the labels don't care and don't send the paperwork they need to get certifications.
the system is rigged... it makes no sense that labels have to pay for every individual certification.

AIWFCIY has sold 3,3 million digital downloads, but is only certified GOLD... i mean it's ridiculous.

as long as the riaa sticks to these 1950's rules, they'll be inaccurate.
It's their rules, you want a certification, then pay for it and show the paperwork that proves that. Easy, there is not rigged just because they don't use your rules, sure I would rather they would work as in the BPI, but for that, we will have to wait and very likely never have it to happen.
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Postby thebigham » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:14 pm

spiritboy wrote:Good for Hozier. Looking forward to his upcoming album.
Columbia paid for Hozier certs, but won't pay for Beyonce certs?

Every label knows how to do a certification. It's simple paperwork and a payment.

Twitter is full of Beyonce, Mariah and Nicki Minaj fans tweeting the RIAA about getting updated certs.

It starts with the label as we all know.

Some artists tell their label not to certify: Beyonce, Janet Jackson...

Other artists certify everything: Ed Sheeran, Chris Brown...
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Postby iHypeMusic » Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:45 pm

I don't think any artists tell their label not to certify their music, lol.

I think nowadays labels update certifications when an artist is releasing a new album, or currently promoting one. Hence Ed Sheeran and Chris Brown having certifications updated. It helps build press for their return or current momentum and such.

When an artist isn't doing anything at the moment, their label isn't keeping tabs on the exact moment they're eligible for new certifications. Hence Beyonce and Mariah.

Also if an artist is no longer apart of a label, I don't think the label cares about updating their certifications (see Mariah with her 90's Christmas music). They don't have contact with the artist and wouldn't even be able to get them to come to the label headquarters and take pictures with the plaques so what's the point.
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Postby marcsgirl85 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:27 pm

that's not necessarily always the case Mariah left Columbia records in 2000 and Merry Christmas was certified 5 x platinum in January 2003 roughly 3 years later and she's at Epic now which is owned by the corporation Sony Music so they could easily fill out the paperwork and have Merry Christmas certified 6 x platinum and maybe Rainbow 4 x platinum while they were at it
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Postby thebigham » Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:33 pm

^^I disagree.

Beyonce and her management do not care. When Lemonade was being promoted and Beyonce was on tour, Lemonade was eligible for 2xP. DIL was eligible for 5xP. IASF 3xP. They money was rolling into Beyonce's bank accounts (and Columbia's) and her albums were ignored. They don't want to spend the money on RIAA certs.

I've been having this same argument with posters here for years.

Some artists care. They ask and they get new certifications.

Other artists do not care. They don't ask and fans complain about the RIAA.
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Postby iHypeMusic » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:10 pm

thebigham wrote:^^I disagree.

Beyonce and her management do not care. When Lemonade was being promoted and Beyonce was on tour, Lemonade was eligible for 2xP. DIL was eligible for 5xP. IASF 3xP. They money was rolling into Beyonce's bank accounts (and Columbia's) and her albums were ignored. They don't want to spend the money on RIAA certs.

I've been having this same argument with posters here for years.

Some artists care. They ask and they get new certifications.

Other artists do not care. They don't ask and fans complain about the RIAA.
Lemonade was certified Platinum a month after release. If her and her team purposely doesn’t want certifications why did they certify it so quickly?

I don’t think it’s a matter of artists asking when dead artists get certifications updated too. Did Whitney Houston call her label from her grave last month and tell them to certify her Christmas album?
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Postby thebigham » Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:10 pm

Camila Cabello's album debuts at #1 on the Billboard 200 and has been certified Gold with the RIAA!

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Postby thebigham » Mon Jan 22, 2018 9:20 pm

iHypeMusic wrote:
thebigham wrote:^^I disagree.

Beyonce and her management do not care. When Lemonade was being promoted and Beyonce was on tour, Lemonade was eligible for 2xP. DIL was eligible for 5xP. IASF 3xP. They money was rolling into Beyonce's bank accounts (and Columbia's) and her albums were ignored. They don't want to spend the money on RIAA certs.

I've been having this same argument with posters here for years.

Some artists care. They ask and they get new certifications.

Other artists do not care. They don't ask and fans complain about the RIAA.
Lemonade was certified Platinum a month after release. If her and her team purposely doesn’t want certifications why did they certify it so quickly?

I don’t think it’s a matter of artists asking when dead artists get certifications updated too. Did Whitney Houston call her label from her grave last month and tell them to certify her Christmas album?
True so why have't they certified it 2xP? Or IASF 3xP? Or DIL 5xP?

No need to get snarky with me about Whitney. C'mon.

I know someone who has an "in" with the Whitney estate. I've always asked him at Christmas to ask them about certifying One Wish. They told him they were not interested. This Christmas fans demanded the estate get OW certified and somehow it worked. They are trying to get Whitney certified Diamond, but Arista says it's not there yet!

I started this thread 12 years ago and have posted every album cert. here. I've been following the RIAA awards since 1984 when the multi-platinum awards were started.

Album certs fell in the mid-2000s when digital single sales took off. Labels stopped certifying albums and concentrated on singles.

Back in 2011, I started tweeting artists about getting their albums certified. This is when only ~100 albums a year were being certified.

I had some success. I know my tweets have resulted in album certifications for The Roots, The Dream, Tom Waits, Shinedown, Jason Mraz, Paramore and Trey Songz.

AWOLnation favorited my tweet about getting their album certified Gold about 10 times, but it wasn't certified until about a year after my tweets.

Republic Records blocked me on Twitter because I kept telling them about Ariana Grande's "Yours Truly" was eligible for Gold. An employee was tweeting me that I was wrong. It was certified Gold a few months later.

In 2013, the RIAA publicly thanked me on Twitter for being such a big fan of the Gold & Platinum awards program. LOL. They sent me a $50 Amazon gift card.

I emailed Keith Urban's management about getting his million selling GH album certified Platinum. They emailed me back saying that was the label's responsibility. Hello... It was certified 1xP years later.

Muchael Buble's "Christmas" album has sold 4 million copies. Why hasn't it been certified?

Why did GaGa's label wait a year to certify "Joanne" when it was eligible months before? Fans had to tell her label that "Art Pop" was never certified! It was certified the day after "Joanne."

Eminem's "Recovery" and GaGa's "The Fame" have both sold over 4.6 million copies and are both still 3xP! Why?
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Postby marcsgirl85 » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:19 pm

Whitney Houston's Whitney can't be far from Diamond it just had it's 30th anniversary in June 2017

somehow I wish RIAA would decrease their certification levels for albums 375,000 Gold 750,000 Platinum and 7.500.000 diamond and make the levels retro active and also update several classic albums that haven't been in years like Journey's Greatest Hits should be 16 x platinum their 1981 album Escape should be diamond
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Postby thebigham » Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:10 pm

^They are not going to lower certification levels. There were over 2,000 RIAA certifications last year.
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Postby marcsgirl85 » Tue Jan 23, 2018 6:19 pm

I didn't say they would I said I wish they would seeing as they've readjusted Latin levels twice since the Latin program began at 100,000 gold 200,000 platinum in 1998 first to 50 K gold and 100,000 Platinum then to 30 K Gold and 60 K Platinum
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Postby thebigham » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:11 am

RIAA.com:

CAMILA CABELLO
Title: CAMILA
Certification Date: January 22, 2018
Label: EPIC
Format: ALBUM
Gold
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Postby brianc33710 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:17 am

While I have not directly messaged the RIAA, I have suggested to others that the RIAA (US) should create a "Silver" certification for albums/singles that reach 250k, and an Emerald/Sapphire certification for albums/singles reaching 5 M.

This proposal doesn't lower the levels -- just adds new thresholds. Songs/Artists outside of the mainstream radio formats struggle to just reach 250k (Rock -- especially Active, Country, Smooth Jazz, etc. with very few exceptions) in even SPS for albums, not to mention downloads. For Country, this is more for albums. For Active Rock, this is universal for albums and singles. For every Disturbed's cover of "The Sound Of Silence," which is now 3XP, and its parent album Immortalized (almost Platinum), there are hundreds of other recent smashes for that format that fare far worse. Michael Buble and Harry Connick, Jr. have Jazz certs, but then there are thousands of huge Jazz singles and albums that even SPS can't come close to 500k.

As for the Latin certs, I think those should be raised to 50k (Gold), 100k (Platinum), every 200k (multi-platinum), and 1 M (Diamond). Latin Certs are too low, and shouldn't be less than 1/10 non-Latin levels. Smooth Jazz and Jazz singles/albums have just as much right as Latin to have lower certification levels (at 1/10, not the 3/50 advantage Latin has now). EDIT: The same is true for Christian and Gospel albums and singles.

As for Mariah Carey, her older albums and singles (Christmas included) are owned by her old label Sony, who (at that time, not sure about now) was largely held and operated by her ex-husband. Carey would probably pay for the certs, but since she parted ways with Sony they aren't as interested in doing their part to make it happen.
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Postby frrr » Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:37 pm

brianc33710 wrote:While I have not directly messaged the RIAA, I have suggested to others that the RIAA (US) should create a "Silver" certification for albums/singles that reach 250k, and an Emerald/Sapphire certification for albums/singles reaching 5 M.

This proposal doesn't lower the levels -- just adds new thresholds. Songs/Artists outside of the mainstream radio formats struggle to just reach 250k (Rock -- especially Active, Country, Smooth Jazz, etc. with very few exceptions) in even SPS for albums, not to mention downloads. For Country, this is more for albums. For Active Rock, this is universal for albums and singles. For every Disturbed's cover of "The Sound Of Silence," which is now 3XP, and its parent album Immortalized (almost Platinum), there are hundreds of other recent smashes for that format that fare far worse. Michael Buble and Harry Connick, Jr. have Jazz certs, but then there are thousands of huge Jazz singles and albums that even SPS can't come close to 500k.

As for the Latin certs, I think those should be raised to 50k (Gold), 100k (Platinum), every 200k (multi-platinum), and 1 M (Diamond). Latin Certs are too low, and shouldn't be less than 1/10 non-Latin levels. Smooth Jazz and Jazz singles/albums have just as much right as Latin to have lower certification levels (at 1/10, not the 3/50 advantage Latin has now). EDIT: The same is true for Christian and Gospel albums and singles.

As for Mariah Carey, her older albums and singles (Christmas included) are owned by her old label Sony, who (at that time, not sure about now) was largely held and operated by her ex-husband. Carey would probably pay for the certs, but since she parted ways with Sony they aren't as interested in doing their part to make it happen.
I strongly disagree with the first part. The certifications are the same for everyone. Whether you are rock, pop or R&B or whatever you are. Rock acts, as a matter of fact, can sell tons of albums, but their huge incoming comes from tours and they don't care that much about certifications. Why should more new thresholds be created? So that the RIAA makes more money? Yes Latin should be raised despite that right now Latin Songs are a trend, so once they go back to obscurity only Iglesias and another handful of artists will be able to get certs, but yes why not?
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Postby marcsgirl85 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:16 pm

uh it's been a trend for more than 20 years look at Shakira's career sales since Pies Discalsos in 1996 or Selena's since her posthumous Crossover in 1995
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