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Postby francisplaiy » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:22 pm

Zou het leuk zijn om wat Belgische hitlijsten genre Sibesa top 50,Joepie super 30,Vlaamse top 10,Lp top 10...vooral uit de jaren 80 hier op deze site te zien,dan wil ik gerust wat lijstjes opzetten die moeilijk of niet op pc te vinden zijn.
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Postby rewardman » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:22 pm

Can someone please identify Cliff Richard's hit singles - peak # and months from 1958 up to the end of 1969?

Which chart would be the most authoritative?

I have the BRT data from 1970 onwards thanks.
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Postby CZB » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:28 pm

The "Belgisch Hitboek" gives these peaks in the monthly charts up to late 1967 (Juke Box, 1956-1968 and Song Parade, 1955-June 1962):

Living doll 16 (JB) / 22 (SP)

Dynamite 26 (SP)

A Voice in the wilderness 25 (SP)

Nine times out of ten 13 (JB) / 17 (SP)

I love you 14 (JB) / 13 (SP)

Theme for a dream 16 (JB)

Gee whizz it's you 20 (JB) / 14 (SP)

A girl like you 15 (JB) / 12 (SP)

When the girl in your arms 04 (JB) / 17 (SP)

The young ones 04 (JB) / 05 (SP)

Do you want to dance 04 (JB)

It'll be me 08 (JB)

The next time/Bachelor boy 03 (JB)

Summer holiday 05 (JB)

Lucky lips 01 (JB)

It's all in the game 06 (JB)

Don't talk to him 07 (JB)

Maria no mas 04 (JB)

Constantly 09 (JB)

On the beach 10 (JB)

I could easily fall 17 (JB)

Angel 14 (JB)

Visions 18 (JB)

The day I met Marie 10 (JB)

Until the BRT charts began, the only chart then covered is the weekly "Humo-lijst", from which six hits are listed for the late 1960's:

All My Love 16.12.67 12 weeks, peak 03 { 12 06 06 04 04 04 03 04 06 08 12 20 )

Congratulations 06.04.68 14 weeks, peak 01 ( 14 08 05 01 01 01 01 02 02 02 02 04 11 20 )

Wonderful World 03.08.68 2 weeks, peak 20 ( 20 20 )

Marianne 26.10.68 3 weeks, peak 18 ( 18 19 19 )

Good Times 19.04.69 6 weeks, peak 08 ( 16 08 08 11 14 18 )

Big Ship 12.07.69 4 weeks, peak 13 ( 19 13 16 18 )
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Postby francisplaiy » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:49 pm

Aan CZB.Ik zie dat je zeer goed op de hoogte bent van hitlijsten uit het verleden enzo.Wat vindt je.Zou het intressant zijn wat oude Belgische hitlijsten(die niet op pc te vinden zijn) te posten op deze site,of is dat niet echt nodig.
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Postby francisplaiy » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:55 pm

To rewardman.I'm not forget you for posting the Spanish chartpositions for Cliff Richard.At last tommorow,you have everything that i can give you.
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Postby francisplaiy » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:18 pm

I give you the song,the highest position and the date when the song reached the highest position.
This for the Spanish charts for Cliff Richard.
This for the period 1959-1969.

Dynamite 9 28/12/59
Living doll 10 17/10/60
The young ones 1 25/06/62
Do you wanna dance/ 15 05/11/62
It'll be me
Summer holiday 1 22/07/63
A girl like you 19 11/11/63
Maria no mas 16 25/11/63
Lucky lips/ 10 24/02/64
It's all in the game
Constantly 16 31/08/64
Congratulations 1 13/05/68
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Postby francisplaiy » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:31 pm

Power to all our friends 10 04/06/73
We don't talk anymore 6 21/01/80

These are the chartpositions for the period 1980-2002
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Postby CZB » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:47 pm

francisplaiy wrote:Aan CZB.Ik zie dat je zeer goed op de hoogte bent van hitlijsten uit het verleden enzo.Wat vindt je.Zou het intressant zijn wat oude Belgische hitlijsten(die niet op pc te vinden zijn) te posten op deze site,of is dat niet echt nodig.
I'm not sure I know enough Dutch to fully understand you - but my area of interest is the singles charts of all of Western Europe, including Belgium. I've followed the Belgian charts on the radio and elsewhere since maybe the early 1990s - others, such as the UK, Ireland, Holland and Germany, I've heard for much longer! - and I like a lot of the music I hear there, which doesn't often travel further afield. They have also (at least until very recently :cry: ) had one of the best weekly chart shows of them all.

I must admit that, with all the different charts covered in the "Belgisch Hitboek", I hadn't noticed until I put together the above Cliff Richard details for rewardman yesterday, that there was a period just before the BRT / Radio 2 charts began in 1970 in which the only chart was the Humo-lijst? However, maybe you are better placed to answer his other question - which monthly chart was previously more "official" - Juke Box? Song Parade?
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Postby francisplaiy » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:18 pm

In my opinion there is no great difference between the jukebox en songparade charts.Jukebox started in 1956 and ended in 1967,Songparade started 1954 and ended 1962.The youth of that period send every month there favorite songs to the magazine's and they made there own chart.Humo had there weekly chart from 1966 and i most say that they are very much trustfull to that period.Actually they were the pioniers for the charts who came after that.
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Postby francisplaiy » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:22 pm

Also there's a magazine called Joepie who started in 1973,and have there own chart.I have a lot of these charts,specially for the 80's period and i most say that they even look more trustfull than the brt top30 charts.You can see that in the chartruns.
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Postby francisplaiy » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:26 pm

Also you had the Sibesa charts,who actually covered the whole Belgium scene from 1986 on.They started with a top 50,and its amazing what songs you can find there.I'm very pleased that there are people like you who are very intressed in these charts,and i most say that you are right when you talking about these foreign charts who are so special.I'm a great fan of all these charts and i collected as much as possible.
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Postby rewardman » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:15 pm

Some great stuff guys, thanks.

I know that it's very hard in many cases to get a truly 'national' and authoritative chart for lots of countries especially in the fifties and sometimes even the sixties.

I am keen to follow just one chart where at all possible for each country - not pick and choose top chart positions from different charts in order to boost the chart hits numbers for my favorite artist.
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Postby rewardman » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:22 pm

Hi Francis,

did All My Love not make the Spanish chart in 1968?
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Postby rewardman » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:24 pm

Sorry Francis,

I just noticed the reference to It's All in the Game doesn't mention a chart position # or no. of weeks in the chart.

Can you fill in the details, please?
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Postby rewardman » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:59 pm

I've seen the following Cliff singles refered to as Belgian hits - can anyone shed any light on why they haven't been mentioned elsewhere?

Cheers.

Please Don't Tease
The Twelfth Of Never
The Minute You're Gone
On My Word
The Time In Between
Wind Me Up (Let Me Go)
Blue Turns To Grey
Time Drags By
In The Country
It's All Over
I'll Come Running
I'll Love You Forever Today
Don't Forget To Catch Me
Early In The Morning
Throw Down A Line (with Hank Marvin)
With The Eyes Of A Child
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Postby CZB » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:30 pm

rewardman wrote:I've seen the following Cliff singles refered to as Belgian hits - can anyone shed any light on why they haven't been mentioned elsewhere?

Cheers.

Please Don't Tease
The Twelfth Of Never
The Minute You're Gone
On My Word
The Time In Between
Wind Me Up (Let Me Go)
Blue Turns To Grey
Time Drags By
In The Country
It's All Over
I'll Come Running
I'll Love You Forever Today
Don't Forget To Catch Me
Early In The Morning
Throw Down A Line (with Hank Marvin)
With The Eyes Of A Child
Certainly none of them are listed in the Hitboek, which covers 1954-1993 - presumably all of those titles were within that period? (I don't recognise any of them!!

If they are claimed to be Belgian hits, could this maybe relate to French-speaking Belgium (Wallonia) - for which considerably less chart information seems to be easily available pre-Ultratop?
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Postby francisplaiy » Sat Feb 23, 2008 11:04 am

You'r right about All my love in Spain.That reached nr20 on 24/06/68.I must have overlooked it.The songs witn no chartposition are double a-sides like the one you mentioned.
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Postby rewardman » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:22 am

francisplaiy wrote:I give you the song,the highest position and the date when the song reached the highest position.
This for the Spanish charts for Cliff Richard.
This for the period 1959-1969.

Dynamite 9 28/12/59
Living doll 10 17/10/60
The young ones 1 25/06/62
Do you wanna dance/ 15 05/11/62
It'll be me
Summer holiday 1 22/07/63
A girl like you 19 11/11/63
Maria no mas 16 25/11/63
Lucky lips/ 10 24/02/64
It's all in the game
Constantly 16 31/08/64
Congratulations 1 13/05/68
Can I confirm my understanding of what you said, please.

Do You Wanna Dance/It'll Be Me - double a-side
Lucky Lips/ It's All In The Game - double a-side

Interesting if that's the case as these couplings of songs were different from the UK release. E.G. Do You Wanna Dance was the original flip side of I'm looking ut The Window.

Thanks.
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Postby rewardman » Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:26 am

CZB wrote:
rewardman wrote:I've seen the following Cliff singles refered to as Belgian hits - can anyone shed any light on why they haven't been mentioned elsewhere?

Cheers.

Please Don't Tease
The Twelfth Of Never
The Minute You're Gone
On My Word
The Time In Between
Wind Me Up (Let Me Go)
Blue Turns To Grey
Time Drags By
In The Country
It's All Over
I'll Come Running
I'll Love You Forever Today
Don't Forget To Catch Me
Early In The Morning
Throw Down A Line (with Hank Marvin)
With The Eyes Of A Child
Certainly none of them are listed in the Hitboek, which covers 1954-1993 - presumably all of those titles were within that period? (I don't recognise any of them!!

If they are claimed to be Belgian hits, could this maybe relate to French-speaking Belgium (Wallonia) - for which considerably less chart information seems to be easily available pre-Ultratop?
I can't recall the original source reference for these "Belgian hits" CZB. That's why I'm trying to pin down credible sources. As you indicate there seems to be much material about Flandres than Wallonia available.

It is rather frustrating. It would be strange, though, if some/all the titles I listed - a few of them very big UK hits - had charted in one part of Belgium, but been complete misses in another part!

Thanks for the feedback.
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Postby CZB » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:45 pm

rewardman wrote: It would be strange, though, if some/all the titles I listed - a few of them very big UK hits - had charted in one part of Belgium, but been complete misses in another part!
Not necessarily - the charts of the two parts of Belgium are very different, Wallonia's much closer to those of France, and Flanders' closer to those of Holland. In the current week, less than half of the Wallonia top 40 are also in the Flanders Ultratop 50 !

Even Cliff Richard's one and only Flanders Ultratop hit, "The Millennium Prayer" ( 21-18-25-30-42-50 ) didn't chart at all in Wallonia!
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Postby rewardman » Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:44 pm

Thanks CZB
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Postby CZB » Sat Aug 30, 2008 11:08 pm

To celebrate 38 years, four months and the 2000th edition of the BRT Top 30, the archive mentioned on this thread has now been re-worked, and can - in theory - be accessed here:

http://top30-2.radio2.be/

However, for the last week or so, for some reason, I have only been able to a see a colourful, but virtually blank, page from this link!

But tonight, in search of the 2001st chart (as this morning's celebration broadcast, with the current and former presenters, looked back through time instead of counting it down!), and with the aid of a screenshot elsewhere on the BRT website showing what it ought to look like, I found I was able to gain access only by first going directly to one of the charts - such as the latest one:

http://top30-2.radio2.be/#/chart-list/2001

And then, once you're in, it would seem that all the other charts can then be found using the dials and arrows at the top of the page.

I'm now going to do a quick check to see if the errors identified in this thread have been corrected!!
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Postby croatia » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:48 pm

Hello,
can somebody tell me if in Belgium existed weekly Dance/Disco charts in the 70's and 80's?
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Postby charter » Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:51 pm

I am trying to find Belgium singles charts (Flanders and Walloon) from before 1995 - can anyone please help me to complete my collection or know where I can find them.

All help much appreciated
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Postby CZB » Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:02 pm

The revised archive of the BRT Top 30 (Flanders), going back to 1971, can be found here:

http://top30-2.radio2.be/#/

You might need to adjust your firewall settings in order for it to work properly.

This link:

http://radio2.be/programmapaginatop30_zoek.cfm?regio=22

still enables the old archive to be searched for any specific title or artist (enter it in the box marked "Tik jouw zoekterm:" .

Some errors and omissions were addressed on this thread:

http://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=47772
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