Jazz Sales Thread - Miles Davis, John Coltrane & More

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Postby MJDangerous » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:53 am

Hi,

Rather than opening a Miles Davis thread that will remain almost empty, I open this thread to speak about all Jazz albums.

Many of them sell loads since decades and reached incredible sales. I will start with the absolute Classic album Kind Of Blue. Figures that I have got for it:

US
Certified 4xPlatinum by the RIAA in 2008. This award appears to concern sales from around 1991 to 2008 only. Indeed, it sold 3m copies according to Soundscan alone, it was first certified Gold in 1993. It sold in particular 105k in 1995 according to Soundscan.
Since he passed in 1991, we may think the album started to sell well that year, which explains why it wasn't certified before. While it is obvious that his death may have increased his catalog sales, it would be a huge mistake to think this album wasn't selling before. Allmusic point out 2 positions for this album in the US: #37 in the Jazz album chart in 1977 and #10 in the same chart in 1987. The question is, how much as it sold from 1959 to 1991? It sold an average of 220k per year in the last 18 years, even assuming only 60k per year from 59 to 91, that adds 2 more millions to the 4 millions certified.

UK
Certified Gold in April 1998 for sales from... April 1997. It charted 12 weeks in those 12 months, peaking at 92, it was certainly selling well on Music Clubs too. Charted 3 weeks in 2000 peaking at 164, it had a huge year 2001 charting 33 weeks and peaking at 63, selling an estimated 75k in that year. Sales around 20k/year since then. That is 100k + 75k + 20k*8 = 335k in the last 11 years.

Still sales of 38 years missing...

France
Double Gold in 99 for sales 63-99, Platinum in 2000 for sales 63-2000. We can doubt those sales were completely audited yet, especialy since it jumped from 200k to 300k within' 4 months, showing they were always checking data, we do not know if it sold just 300k, 400k or 599k by that time.
In 2000 (it was certified in January), it charted 2 non-consecutive weeks in the top 75 album chart. Let assume 40k sold. In 2001 it charted as high as #29 in the main chart, it was most of the year in the top 150. Sales estimated at 60-70k for that year. It stills sell pretty well every year, it charted 11 weeks in the top 40 catalog chart in 2008 for example. It sold around 220k since it was certified Platinum. Depending on how comprehensive this award was, it shipped anywhere from 550k to 800k since its release in France.

Spain
Impossible to know how much it sold since its release, but it was #14 last week! It peaked at #22 in 2005 too. Massive catalog sales.

Netherlands
Certified Platinum (100k) in 1996. Again, we do not know from when sales were covered. Since the beginning of the catalog chart of Netherlands (from 2002 I think), it charted 138 weeks on it (a top 50).

We can add that it sold 1.1 million copies out of the US in 1997 + 1998. It is widely reported since at least 2004 as a 10 million selling album.


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Postby MJDangerous » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:53 am

For people not much into Jazz, here some positions on Amazon to get an idea of strong Jazz classics.

France
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#77 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
#123 Miles Davis - Tutu (1986)
#222 Miles Davis - Ascenseur pour l'échafaud (1957)
#430 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973)
#649 Thelonious Monk - It's Monk Time (1964)
#660 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
#806 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1959)
#1039 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969)
#1231 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958)
#1291 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
#1367 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1960)
#3705 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959)
#3857 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (1949)
#6578 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1972)
#7433 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1969)
#7500 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1960)
#13789 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957)


US
#20 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
#107 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
#134 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959)
#237 John Coltrane - A Love Supreme (1965)
#513 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
#662 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957)
#729 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (1949)
#1319 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1959)
#1539 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1969)
#2099 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1960)
#5994 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969)
#6777 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1960)
#9656 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958)
#10825 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973)
#25226 Miles Davis - Tutu (1986)
#29943 Miles Davis - Ascenseur pour l'échafaud (1957)
#30950 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1972)
#85671 Thelonious Monk - It's Monk Time (1964)

UK
#204 Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue (1959)
#530 Miles Davis - Birth Of The Cool (1949)
#678 Dave Brubeck Quartet - Time Out (1959)
#903 John Coltrane - Blue Train (1957)
#1389 Miles Davis - Sketches Of Spain (1959)
#2627 John Coltrane - My Favorite Things (1960)
#2721 Miles Davis - Milestones (1958)
#9469 Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters (1973)
#16853 Miles Davis - In A Silent Way (1969)
#18140 John Coltrane - Giant Steps (1960)
#23794 Miles Davis - Ascenseur pour l'échafaud (1957)
#24413 Miles Davis - Bitches Brew (1969)
#59988 Herbie Hancock - Sextant (1972)
#61744 Miles Davis - Tutu (1986)
#122433 Thelonious Monk - It's Monk Time (1964)
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Postby MJDangerous » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:03 pm

Kind Of Blue is #7 in Spain this week :o
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Postby HUR » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:05 pm

I have never been a fan of any Jazz act. Which should be my first step on the genre?.

Great work, by the way.
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Postby MJDangerous » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:12 pm

HUR wrote:I have never been a fan of any Jazz act. Which should be my first step on the genre?.

Great work, by the way.
I'm not a fan as well, but I like to listen to a Jazz classics somedays. Kind Of Blue is easily the first step on the genre, despite being massively acclaimed as the best Jazz album ever it is also a very simple Jazz record, perfect to introduce this kind of music :wink:

BTW, I estimate its sales to 9 million copies worldwide since 1991 to now, that's gigantic :o
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Postby zago » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:14 pm

HUR wrote:Which should be my first step on the genre?.

Great work, by the way.
John Coltrane,Miles Davis and thelonious monk :D
and then the crossover jazz of Sun Ra, John Zorn or Weather Report
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Postby HUR » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:34 pm

Thank you both.
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Postby UURhythm » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:50 pm

What a great thread! For a couple of months i've been really into Jazz.I especially love Coltrane and then Miles....So what about other sales Mjdangerous
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Postby MJDangerous » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:31 pm

It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
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Postby Dane » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:45 pm

MJDangerous wrote:It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
With a new cert too, 5xp!
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Postby MJDangerous » Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:49 pm

Dane wrote:
MJDangerous wrote:It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
With a new cert too, 5xp!
I haven't even noticed, that's great :o :D
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Postby Spiderpig » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:13 pm

MJDangerous wrote:It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
maybe people followed the advice you gave to HUR :lol:

and wow and the 5xp certification... is it only for the CD version ? :o
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Postby MJDangerous » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:16 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
MJDangerous wrote:It looks like I opened this thread at the good moment: Kind Of Blue up from 21 to 7 in the US catalog chart!
maybe people followed the advice you gave to HUR :lol:

and wow and the 5xp certification... is it only for the CD version ? :o
That's possible. I don't know if they started to add sales prior to 1990 in that 5th award. I will ask Hanboo for its catalog run, comparing it to the evolution of its certifications may help to clarify this situation :wink:
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Postby Dane » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:19 pm

^^

Miles Davis albums (also John Coltrane and Dave Brubeck) were available at Columbia House too. It's hard to tell how many records they sold...and when!

Kind Of Blue couldn't have sold 1,000,000 since last year of course. It could be club sales finally certified or maybe old LP sales...
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Postby Priestfan » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:46 pm

That's great to hear Kind Of Blue has been upgraded to 5xPlatinum. Mile Davis' sales remain quite undercertified. Sketches Of Spain is certified Gold by the RIAA yet a Soundscan figure posted in one of the SS threads showed that the album had sold at least 700,000 copies in the US since 1991. So that one should be at least Platinum. Birth Of The Cool should be at least Gold and maybe a few others too like Milestones and In A Silent Way.

I also think John Coltrane, Herbie Hancock and Thelonious Monk are eligible for updates. The latter has no certified albums at all.

I've been into jazz since last Summer and I also recommend Miles, Coltrane along with Hancock, Monk, Ornette Coleman, Sonny Rollins and fusion groups like Mahavishnu Orchestra and Weather Report.
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Postby Spiderpig » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:50 am

Dane wrote:Kind Of Blue couldn't have sold 1,000,000 since last year of course. It could be club sales finally certified or maybe old LP sales...
It may has something to do with all the reissues, since 1984 there has been 9 (!) reissues of the album (including 2 vinyl versions).
It probably sold more than 5m since 1959, but 5m in the last 20 years seems a lot to me, maybe 3m soundscan + 1m club sales + 1m between 1986 (first big CD reissue) and 1991... Or maybe it sold nothing through music clubs and it sold less than 3m between 1959 and 1991 ? :-?
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Postby ShayLaB » Fri Feb 06, 2009 11:26 am

HUR wrote:I have never been a fan of any Jazz act. Which should be my first step on the genre?.

Great work, by the way.
Many sometimes find jazz hard to 'get' and are a bit intimidated about where to start.

The most accessible of all the classics is, I believe, Sketches of Spain by Miles Davis. Imagine the Ennio Morricone soundtracks for the Spaghetti westerns...but with a trumpet.

Cannonball Adderly's "Live at the Lighthouse 1960" is my favourite but I reckon "Sketches of Spain" is the place to start.

Apolgies from the non chart related nature of the post but I do think that it is the least accessible genre of music and that a some recommendations can be useful. Try this link http://www.1000recordings.com/the-list/category/jazz/ - it's a streamlined version site based on a book of recommended recording that I find to be the best of it's kind available. The jazz section is linked but other genres are listed as well.
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Postby RollingBob » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:09 am

Kind Of Blue UK sales from 1998 to chart week of 28th April 2001,

'98 : 32k
'99 : 46k
'00 : 33k (& 205th best selling albums artist with 85,834)
'01 (to chart week of Apr 28th when it debuted in the top 75 at #70, 42 years to the day after being released, certified Gold) : 23k

So it sold 134,000 in just this 3.3 year period at 40k average per year.
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Postby Priestfan » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:56 pm

RollingBob wrote:Kind Of Blue UK sales from 1998 to chart week of 28th April 2001,

'98 : 32k
'99 : 46k
'00 : 33k (& 205th best selling albums artist with 85,834)
'01 (to chart week of Apr 28th when it debuted in the top 75 at #70, 42 years to the day after being released, certified Gold) : 23k

So it sold 134,000 in just this 3.3 year period at 40k average per year.
Interesting. So it should be at least Platinum over here.
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Postby borderwolf » Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:04 pm

:o

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#60 KIND OF BLUE
DAVIS, MILES
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Postby borderwolf » Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:51 pm

Norway
mid-price, week 11

1 KIND OF BLUE - DAVIS MILES
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Postby Mael » Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:54 am

Sweden
mid-price, week 17

#5 Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis
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Postby borderwolf » Fri May 01, 2009 8:36 am

Mael wrote:Sweden
mid-price, week 17

#5 Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis
+1, this week!

4 ( 5)
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Postby borderwolf » Fri May 01, 2009 8:55 am

And +8 in France (backcatalogue):

#10 Kind Of Blue - Miles Davis
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Postby borderwolf » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:23 am

Top Catalog Albums
Week Ending 5/31/09

Wks Rank Scans
On Label 2W LW TW * Artist Title TW LW % RTD

24 COL 157 119 115 DAVIS*MILES KIND OF BLUE 1,642 1,646 0 3,045,793
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