And this is exactly what his puppeteers want. One can only hope that they don't cause too much irreversible damage in the long run.Benjamin wrote:Serby wrote:Wow at the Jerusalem. This is gonna get messy.
Yes, you're missing something, because clearly Hamas are not ignoring him. If you can't see the imminent danger caused by his words (true or not), I don't know what to say.menime123 wrote:Am I missing something? Just because Trump says it doesn’t make it true - surely the world will just ignore him?
Nobody will ignore him, Middle East is in a very fragile state already thanks to secterian struggles. Just when we were expecting a war between Iran and Saudi Arabia in Yemen, Trump the dump makes things worse.menime123 wrote:Am I missing something? Just because Trump says it doesn’t make it true - surely the world will just ignore him?
Hamas have a different opinion. And they think that killing thousands of Israelis is "totally legitimate" in response to Trump's plans.Mainshow wrote:I dislike Trump but officially recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is overdue and totally legitimate, in my opinion.
A big part of Jerusalem is occupied territory not belonging to Israel... so recognizing Jerusalem (without west or east in front) as the capital of Israel goes against international law irrespective of where you place your embassy.Mainshow wrote:I dislike Trump but officially recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is overdue and totally legitimate, in my opinion.
It's funny how Erdogan and Turkey is going mad at this given the fact that they are responsible of dividing Cyprus and its capital Lefkosia. They are clearly the last one having any rights to level criticism on the US actions regarding this topic at the moment.
Let's face it; the "peace process" have been going on for decades now and it's not getting any better in terms of Jerusalem.
The city has always been the captial, though. You learn this at school, in the media, in Eurovision, it's written down in books.. if you ask people on the street what the capital of Israel is, no one will say Haifa, Jaffa or Tel Aviv.
Also, you will find the Knesset, the parliament, the highest court in Jerusalem and that fact itself basically gives the city the status of a capital. It's just the status quo. Also, other countries had recognised Jerusalem as the capital before, e.g. Russia, the Netherlands, Kenya, Bolivia, Haiti, Costa Rica, El Salvador.
Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel for decades; what really is provocative and questionable is the Israeli annexion of East Jerusalem but the US will locate its Embassy in the Western part of the city and tbh, there shouldn't be a problem with it. Even moderate Muslims from Palestine "just" call East Jerusalem as their own (or their country's capital) of a future independent Palestine country.
Just my 2 cents, I know what Trump does/did is highly provocative to some predominately Muslim countries but thb, it shouldn't be since it's indeed justa recognition of the current status quo (which has been the status quo for decades).
+ Those countries which are raging over other countries recognising Jerusalem as the official capital of an Israeli state, will probably never really recognise Israel's existence at all anyway; or a genuinely interested in living in peace and having good relations to Israel. Their reactions is basically just another evidence on how far away they are from reality and how fragile this region has been and will be. It will remain a fragile region no matter what.
This.jio wrote:A big part of Jerusalem is occupied territory not belonging to Israel... so recognizing Jerusalem (without west or east in front) as the capital of Israel goes against international law irrespective of where you place your embassy.Mainshow wrote:I dislike Trump but officially recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel is overdue and totally legitimate, in my opinion.
I'm not mourning Israeli lives exclusively, it just so happens that this particular act of Trump will make them the target of a new surge in violent outbursts that could have probably been avoided otherwise. But you're right, Israeli retaliation will follow, which will result in Palestinians getting killed, too. At the end of the day, innocent lives will be lost on both sides, just because the narcissistic attention whore wanted to stir the pot (courtesy of his wanna-be-middle-east-specialist son-in-law). It's infuriating to me.jio wrote:Also, even though I agree with LittleLinda's comment in general, I have to say that I am always surprised by people mourning Israeli lives exclusively when in fact its Palestinians who die in much greater numbers than Israelis in this conflict.
Which completely fits the narrative of Don putting the lives of others at risk for his petty everyday needs.The Times Of Israel wrote:US’s Haley at UNSC: Those who resort to violence show they don’t want peace
1 Palestinian killed in Gaza, 250 injured in W. Bank in violent protests against Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital; Iron Dome intercepts rocket from Strip