Chechen authorities tell parents: 'Kill your gay sons..."

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Postby Wayne » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:00 pm

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Gay men arrested in a ‘purge’ in the Russian region of Chechnya are being held in concentration camp-style prisons, reports have alleged.

Early reports emerged earlier this month that gay people are being targeted in the region, which is part of Russia but has substantial autonomy.

Russian newspapers and human rights groups report that more than 100 gay men have been detained “in connection with their non-traditional sexual orientation, or suspicion of such” as part of a purge. Several people were also reportedly feared dead following violent raids.

In a chilling response, a Chechen government spokesperson denied that there are any gay people to detain, insisting that “you can’t detain and harass someone who doesn’t exist in the republic”. The Kremlin denied any knowledge of a purge.

But reports have since emerged that the men arrested are being kept in horrific concentration camp prisons, where violent abuse and torture is common.

Based on interviews with eyewitnesses and survivors, Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta reports that a secret prison has been set up in the town of Argun to detain the men arrested in the purge.

One man who was released from the camp told the newspaper that he was subjected to violent “interrogations” at the camp, as Chechen officials attempted to get him to confess the names and locations of more gay men.

The officials also seized his mobile phone, targeting his network of contacts regardless of whether they were gay or not.

The camp was reportedly set up by Chechen forces in a former military headquarters in the town.

The newspaper reports allegations that the Speaker of the Parliament of Chechnya was among officials to visit the site, though the claims have not been substantiated.

The detainees face electric shock torture and violent beatings, while some of them have been held to ransom and used to extort their families.

The Russian LGBT Network, which is running a support line for men fleeing the region, has confirmed the reports.

LGBT activist Svetlana Zakharova said: “Gay people have been detained and rounded up and we are working to evacuate people from the camps and some have now left the region.

“Those who have escaped said they are detained in the same room and people are kept altogether, around 30 or 40. They are tortured with electric currents and heavily beaten, sometimes to death.”

Tanya Lokshina of Human Rights Watch wrote: “For several weeks now, a brutal campaign against LGBT people has been sweeping through Chechnya.

She continued: “Law enforcement and security agency officials under control of the ruthless head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, have rounded up dozens of men on suspicion of being gay, torturing and humiliating the victims.

“Some of the men have forcibly disappeared. Others were returned to their families barely alive from beatings. At least three men apparently have died since this brutal campaign began.”

She added: “These days, very few people in Chechnya dare speak to human rights monitors or journalists even anonymously because the climate of fear is overwhelming and people have been largely intimidated into silence.

“Filing an official complaint against local security officials is extremely dangerous, as retaliation by local authorities is practically inevitable.

“It is difficult to overstate just how vulnerable LGBT people are in Chechnya, where homophobia is intense and rampant.

“LGBT people are in danger not only of persecution by the authorities but also of falling victim to ‘honour killings’ by their own relatives for tarnishing family honour.”

UK Foreign Office minister Baroness Anelay has called on Russia to investigate the mass detention of gay men in Chechnya and ensure the perpetrators are brought to justice.

In a statement to PinkNews, Baroness Anelay said: “The detention and ill-treatment of over 100 gay men in Chechnya is extremely concerning. Reports have also suggested that at least three of these men have been killed.

“The statement by the regional Government, implying that such treatment towards LGBT people is acceptable, is particularly abhorrent. We condemn any and all persecution, and call on the authorities to promptly investigate and ensure that perpetrators of human rights abuses are brought to justice.

“The human rights situation for LGBT people in Russia has deteriorated significantly in recent years and we continue to voice our serious concern with Russian authorities at all levels.

“Russia’s international human rights obligations require them to protect citizens who may be at risk of persecution. We expect the Russian government to fulfill its obligations to this end, and to uphold the rule of law.
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Postby Nippian93 » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:02 pm

I can't believe something like this is happening in 2017. Hard to believe something like this could happen no matter when and where :(.
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Postby JSparksFan » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:14 pm

This is a heartbreaking situation, especially the 'honour' killings. :(
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Postby Serby » Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:35 pm

The hell... I hope they get out well and alove and ask for asylum anywhere normal. :(
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Postby ArmyOfMe » Tue Apr 11, 2017 5:47 am

Kadyrov needs to be charged for crimes against humanity. This is disgusting.
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Postby MrDiva » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:25 am

Very very sad and heartbreaking
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Postby joiPrince_JO » Tue Apr 11, 2017 6:54 am

They are being arrested just because they're gay?
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Postby Serby » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:01 am

joiPrince_JO wrote:They are being arrested just because they're gay?
This happen in moat of African countries for example, but they are not really just arrested, cuz it is NOT illegal to be gay in Russia, but yhey are literally putting these people in camps.
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Postby joiPrince_JO » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:19 am

Serby wrote:
joiPrince_JO wrote:They are being arrested just because they're gay?
This happen in moat of African countries for example, but they are not really just arrested, cuz it is NOT illegal to be gay in Russia, but yhey are literally putting these people in camps.
And how is that legal? Why is the world watching this ?
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Postby Wayne » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:24 am

I cannot imagine how it must feel to face into this level of persecution for simply being who you are. I was talking to a friend about this earlier and the worst level of discrimination I've ever faced from a stranger since "coming out" has been verbal, homophobic abuse [and this very rarely happens to me now] - in most African countries, in the Middle East and in Russia/these former Soviet states, the persecution that LGBT people face is unlike anything I've ever seen.

So far, the most scathing condemnation for this has come from Amnesty International - governments aren't interested as they're too preoccupied with trying to manage Russia's handling of the Syrian crisis. What is ultimately scary is how much both families and the local authorities buy into this - there's no protection for LGBT people in these countries.
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Postby Carbon » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:27 am

horrifying! everyone is outraged, but I wonder if something concrete can/will be done
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Postby ArmyOfMe » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:39 am

You can all donate to this Russian LGBT organization that is trying to help those people evacuate Chechnya.

Their statement:
STATEMENT OF THE RUSSIAN LGBT NETWORK’S BOARD REGARDING THE INFORMATION ON THE KIDNAPPINGS AND MURDERS OF LGBT PEOPLE IN THE NORTH CAUCASUS
The Russian LGBT Networks is highly disturbed and concerned about the information on the kidnapping and killing of people in Chechnya because of their sexual orientation. We are also outraged by the reaction of the officials of the Chechen Republic, who in fact justify the killings. No national and/or religious traditions and norms can justify kidnapping or killing of a human being. Any references to “traditions” to justify kidnappings and killings are amoral and criminal.

The Russian LGBT Network makes every effort to contact the victims and to provide the emergency support. Taking into account the recent statements of the Chechnya officials, we believe that the only thing that can work out is the evacuation. We cooperate closely we the human rights defenders both in Russia and abroad, and ready to evacuate.

On Monday, the Russian LGBT Network will appeal to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation with two claims. The one is the demand to investigate the information on the crimes, published in “Novaya Gazeta”. Another one is the claim to check whether the public statements of the Chechen officials made on April 1 and justifying the killings, contain the elements of the offence.

We are grateful to everyone who contacted us and asked how they can help. What do we need now?

Help us to spread the information about the fact that the Russian LGBT Network is ready to evacuate people. Please think for whom this information can be useful. You can spread the information publicly or personally. Everyone who needs help can contact us by email or call the Hotline (8 800 555 73 74). The call is free all over Russia.
In accordance with the Russian legislation, every citizen can apply to the Investigative Committee with the demand to investigate the information about the crime published in mass media. We encourage everyone to apply (the template of the claim will be published tomorrow).
We understand that many people want to help those in need. But please remember that any uncoordinated actions can put in additional danger people in need and those who are ready to help. Therefore, we do not recommend to collect the addresses of people who are ready to provide temporarily shelter.

Be aware, that the situation with the human rights in the North Caucasus is truly difficult. Now people’s lives are endangered and the only way to help is the evacuation. The Russian LGBT Network has the necessary resources to evacuate people, there is a team that already makes every effort to safe lives. That is why we ask everyone to share with us the information about people in need and any offers of assistance.
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Postby Colbie » Tue Apr 11, 2017 12:46 pm

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Postby Wayne » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:56 pm

Silence is not good enough when gay men are suffering in Chechnyan 'concentration camps'

All too often, Western governments seek to absolve themselves of responsibility for fear of offending cultural sensitivities. This attitude cannot continue when people's lives are at risk


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We have come to expect the unexpected and take nothing for granted in this era of Trump, Brexit and the rise of the so-called “alt-right”. The hypocrisy of Theresa May proudly boasting of her Christian values while traversing the Middle East reinforcing trade links with some of the worst human rights abusers on the planet is incredible and tragically predictable in equal measure. May personifies the kind of selective morality that renders world leaders mute on issues of basic equality when speaking out would, by anyone’s standards, be the right thing to do.

This week, reports emerged from Chechnya of a systematic campaign of violence directed specifically at gay men (and, presumably, also bisexual men). Russian media and Amnesty International warn that those deemed “undesirable” by the authorities are being subjected to “preventive mopping up”, followed by arbitrary detention, torture and, in some cases, death at the hands of the police.

Chechen Leader, Ramzan Kadyrov, denies the accusations, asserting that gay men do not exist in his country, a claim reminiscent of ex-Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s similarly spurious postulations.

However, while social media bristles in utter disbelief at the suggestion of the existence of “concentration camps” for men who have sex with men in the restive Russian republic, world leaders, including our own, have been remarkably silent.

In fact, when it comes to LGBT rights, it seems that we are happy to bask in the glory of the progress we have made at home (where, incidentally, recent examples of violence perpetrated against LGBT people show that the battle is far from over), while turning a blind eye to the plight of those in countries where belonging to a sexual/gender minority group amounts to a daily fight for basic survival.

Admittedly, western countries do have to tread a careful path in this regard. In advocating for global equality for lesbian, gay, bi and trans people, we are constantly mindful of some inconvenient truths: first, that European colonial powers were the primary exporters of the kind of virulent homophobia that persists in countless countries, including a great many Commonwealth member states.

Neither can we conveniently ignore the role played by American evangelical missionary organisations in sowing the seeds of hate the length and breadth of sub-Saharan Africa, nor our own abject failure to consistently treat LGBT asylum seekers with the respect and dignity they deserve and so desperately need.

None of this, though, releases our leaders from their duty to speak out against the kind of open state-sponsored brutality currently being meted out in the North Caucasus. This week’s G7 summit was the ideal platform on which to do just that while simultaneously applying diplomatic pressure on Russia to intervene.

All too often, western governments seek to absolve themselves of responsibility for lobbying on behalf of LGBT people abroad for fear of offending religious or cultural sensitivities. This kind of cultural relativism cannot and must not apply to basic matters of human equality and dignity. Accepting as inevitable the gulf between the socio-legal standing of LGBT people in various parts of the world is the ultimate mark of unfettered privilege.

Intensive political lobbying on the part of governments, combined with effective support for LGBT rights organisations “on the ground” would be a good starting point. The bottom line is this; the world should have learned the lessons of failing to act until it is too late when a certain community finds itself the focus of collective erasure, detention, violence and murder.

Let’s hope that history does not repeat itself in Chechnya. The repercussions could be devastating.

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Postby stevyy » Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:17 pm

Russia... the country with most casualties in WW2 is repeating Hitler's strategy... I guess some countries are simply evil... but Russia is the worst.
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Postby Bojan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:33 am

stevyy wrote:Russia... the country with most casualties in WW2 is repeating Hitler's strategy... I guess some countries are simply evil... but Russia is the worst.
Chechnya is only formally in Russia. It's basically independent, mostly thanks to western support in their war against Russia. I was in Russia and their gay scene function normally. Nobody's attacking their gay clubs, their pop stars are not afraid to visit them nor to perform in them. They are not cutting gay scenes on their TV channels or in cinemas (I have five) and as you see they have LGBT organisations and even LGBT festival in Saint Petersburg. Not to mention that Russian largest social network allows gay porn. Russians are not afraid of posting it, Russians are not afraid of commenting it and I didn't see any negative comment there. Russia is not LGBT paradise, but it's far from being the worst place for LGBT people. Just stop exaggerating.

Former FBI agent Colleen Rowley – a 2002 Time Person of the Year – points out that the neocons also backed Chechen terrorists as a way to challenge Russia: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/04/ ... ussia.html
Chechnya: Is Western Support For The Republic Eroding?
In the wake of the devastating terrorist assault on the United States, Germany and the U.S. have softened their tone on Russia's handling of the war in Chechnya. The U.S. has also toughened its stance towards the separatists, calling on them to cut all contacts with terrorist groups. RFE/RL correspondent Kathleen Knox explores how much sympathy the Chechen cause has outside Russia and if it's on the wane following the 11 September attacks.
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Postby Fan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:22 am

I'm literally lost for words. It's absolutely unbelieveable this is happening and the lack of media coverage concerns me a lot as well. I barely heard anything about this in Dutch media for example.
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Postby Jesper » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:10 pm

Disgusting, I can't even believe this stuff happening. As someone who only came out a few months ago, I can't even imagine how people there must feel :o :(
Fan wrote:I'm literally lost for words. It's absolutely unbelieveable this is happening and the lack of media coverage concerns me a lot as well. I barely heard anything about this in Dutch media for example.
Exactly, it popped up on my Twitter timeline, but the news isn't covering this.
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Postby Fan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:09 pm

^I just wonder where our political leaders are? The ones that were shouting about LGBT rights last week and were holding hands with each other :roll:

I did see some Amnesty petitions though, the UK one has already more than 60K participants so that's a start.
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Postby Bojan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:35 pm

It is shocking how little to no coverage this gets in the media.
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Postby Loveguru » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:07 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: is all I can say. like I can't even get angry at this anymore. Humans are stupid
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Postby Jesper » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:09 pm

Fan wrote:^I just wonder where our political leaders are? The ones that were shouting about LGBT rights last week and were holding hands with each other :roll:

I did see some Amnesty petitions though, the UK one has already more than 60K participants so that's a start.
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Postby heppolo » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:58 am

At least some attention
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Postby jpguy » Sun Apr 16, 2017 1:43 pm

I haven't seen media picking up on this
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Postby Airwrecka » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:21 pm

It's weird how this is getting near on zero coverage here (as far as I've seen at least). Are Russia really that powerful that they can silence the western media? :-?
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