Austria Elects Conservative 31-year-old as Leader

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Postby MusicRecords » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:14 pm

What’s with so many conservatives taking power? :o
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Who is Sebastian Kurz?
Before the election, Mr Kurz served as Europe's youngest-ever foreign minister, after he was appointed in 2013 aged just 27.
In May 2017 he became the leader of the ÖVP. He began his political career in the youth wing of the party, which he chaired before moving on to serve on Vienna's city council.
Nicknamed "Wunderwuzzi" (roughly translated - someone who can walk on water), he has been compared to the young leaders of France and Canada, Emmanuel Macron and Justin Trudeau.
Much like Mr Macron, Mr Kurz has created a movement around himself, rebranding the ÖVP - which has been in power for more than 30 years - as "The New People's Party".
What were the main issues?
Immigration was the dominant issue in the run-up to the vote, and Mr Kurz moved his party to the right in the wake of Europe's 2015 refugee crisis.
He appealed to conservative and right-wing voters with pledges to shut down migrant routes to Europe, cap benefit payments to refugees, and bar immigrants from receiving benefits until they have lived in Austria for five years.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41627586
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Postby Mainshow » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:26 pm

This headline is very misleading since Kurz is not "far right".
I kindly ask you to change your wording.

People seemed to be pretty satisfied with Merkel's victory in Germany and she's officially conservative as well (at least her party is).

It is more shocking that the actual right-wing party FPÖ (which Kurz is neither the leader nor a member of) ended up being #2 just a few % behind ÖVP.
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Postby SilentDream » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:41 pm

Mainshow wrote:It is more shocking that the actual right-wing party FPÖ (which Kurz is neither the leader nor a member of) ended up being #2 just a few % behind ÖVP.
The FPÖ ended up on the third rank, not on the second.
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Postby Wayne » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:44 pm

He'll also be the youngest leader in Europe.

It's the Europe of the future.
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Postby Mainshow » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:44 pm

SilentDream wrote:
Mainshow wrote:It is more shocking that the actual right-wing party FPÖ (which Kurz is neither the leader nor a member of) ended up being #2 just a few % behind ÖVP.
The FPÖ ended up on the third rank, not on the second.
That is definitively better. So the % have changed a bit?

Same happened in Niederdsachsen as well. It seems that now it's suddenly enough for SPD and Greens to rule ;)
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Postby Mainshow » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:49 pm

Actually, I am shocked about the results of the Green Party.
Last time, they managed to get record-breaking 12.4% and now it seems they can't even pass to parliament?! Oo
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun Oct 15, 2017 5:57 pm

Wayne wrote:He'll also be the youngest leader in Europe.

It's the Europe of the future.
I hope not, have you read about his views? :o More like Hungary 2.0 :x

He cannot at ALL be compared to Merkel. Not at ALL. Austria's a big mess right now (sadly, as expected.)
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Postby Mainshow » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:10 pm

I don't want to disappoint you but his views can be found in many various countries across Europe now.
Even Denmark decided to remain its borders to Germany closed because of not wanting any illegal asylum seekers/migrants inside its country. So he's not the only one wanting the routes to be closed.

He might be über conservative but instead of being xenophobic (which Orban really is), he's at least a rationally thinking man knowing how to be diplomatic and presenting solutions or at least, suggestions. He will not be the only one ruling Austria, so I'd say, let's give it a try. It could have been a zillion times worse (like Strache winning).

And Kurz and Macron are really fighting the stereotype of politicans in charge being quite old and having no understanding of what younger generations want.

Actually, I think that talks between Macron/Merkel/Kurz could be quite interesting ans more diverse and maybe even a good sign for Europe to stabilise the social and conservative parties rather than the right-wing ones like what we have seen in Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Poland, France, the Netherlands, Germany and even Austria lately.
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:14 pm

The possibility of him cooperating / realizing a coalition with the right-wing FPÖ is high - a disaster. Austria has been messy the past 25 years or so, so it's no surprise, but he's still a big no for me.
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Postby Mainshow » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:31 pm

KokoCollino wrote:The possibility of him cooperating / realizing a coalition with the right-wing FPÖ is high - a disaster. Austria has been messy the past 25 years or so, so it's no surprise, but he's still a big no for me.
The thought of FPÖ being part of the government is indeed scary but Sebastian Kurz can't do much about it. Austria just had a coalition of SPÖ and ÖVP and it was not a perfect match. I remeber that they were super close of neglecting working together and based on the new results, the people of Austria want a political change. If ÖVP and SPÖ get into formation again, I think it will be a huge disapppintment for Austrian people and the members of both parties aren't fond of it either... So what should they do now? Ask for new elections? I think FPÖ would possibly be getting even more votes if the two democratic parties are not able to come up with an arrangement.

It's a mess, yes, but not the end of Europe and Kurz as well as Macron are here to create visions for the future of Europe and they might not have much in common but it's great that liberal/progressive and conservaitve young Europeans have people to look up to.

But I agree, it's a mess. Kurz shouldn't be realising a coalition with FPÖ. Still shocked they got so manye votes.
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:12 pm

^ SPÖ and FPÖ? :o THIS must be a typo ?

This only happened once in the 80s and came to an end after 6 months and will hopefully NEVER EVER HAPPEN AGAIN for the love of Austria's God!
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Postby SilentDream » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:13 pm

Mainshow wrote:Actually, I am shocked about the results of the Green Party.
Last time, they managed to get record-breaking 12.4% and now it seems they can't even pass to parliament?! Oo
A main reason for that is that Peter Pilz, a well-known ex-member of the Green party, left the Greens to establish his own party. So all the votes for the Pilz party would've gone to the Green party if he hadn't left the Greens (which would've been a total of 8,2% for the Greens).

KokoCollino wrote:^ SPÖ and FPÖ? :o THIS must be a typo ?
Yeah, I'm sure that he meant SPÖ and ÖVP because that was the most recent coalition in Austria. :)
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Postby SilentDream » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:22 pm

Mainshow wrote:
SilentDream wrote:
Mainshow wrote:It is more shocking that the actual right-wing party FPÖ (which Kurz is neither the leader nor a member of) ended up being #2 just a few % behind ÖVP.
The FPÖ ended up on the third rank, not on the second.
That is definitively better. So the % have changed a bit?
The total result without voting cards is:

1. ÖVP (31,6 %) + 7,6 %
2. SPÖ (26,9 %) + 0,1 %
3. FPÖ (26 %) + 5,5 %
4. NEOS (5,1 %) + 0,2 %
5. Pilz (4,3 %) + 4,3 %
6. Greens (3,9 %) - 8,6 %
7. Others (2,2 %) - 9,1 %
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Postby stevyy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:40 pm

Wayne wrote:He'll also be the youngest leader in Europe.

It's the Europe of the future.
it's not the future with their isolationism.
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:58 pm

Exactly :-?
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Postby stevyy » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:04 pm

KokoCollino wrote:Exactly :-?
right now Austria is driving themselves against a wall... I believe in 5 years they will align closely with the East EU members and leave the EU.
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:36 pm

I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm glad we have Macron.
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Postby heppolo » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:52 pm

KokoCollino wrote:I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm glad we have Macron.
Soon the EU will end up being Germany+France
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Postby KokoCollino » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:14 pm

Poor Conchita too
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Postby MusicRecords » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:34 pm

KokoCollino wrote:Poor Conchita too
who? :lol:
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Postby stevyy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:08 am

heppolo wrote:
KokoCollino wrote:I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm glad we have Macron.
Soon the EU will end up being Germany+France
everyone would want to join... it would be the 3rd largest trading block in the world with a population of 150 million.

in million $$ GDP:

01 - 18,569,000 - USA
02 - 11,218,000 - China
03 - 6,455,000 - Germany+France+Lux+BEL
04 - 4,940,000 - Japan
05 - 2,629,000 - UK

I guess Luxembourg and Belgium would also stay. Population: 162 million

I hope it becomes true and we can finally form the USE.
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Postby stevyy » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:09 am

MusicRecords wrote:
KokoCollino wrote:Poor Conchita too
who? :lol:
typical American. She is the queen of Europe. The bearded woman.
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Postby MusicRecords » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:14 am

stevyy wrote:
MusicRecords wrote:
KokoCollino wrote:Poor Conchita too
who? :lol:
typical American. She is the queen of Europe. The bearded woman.
Bish please :lol: I know who that is now, I recognize his/her face just didn't know her by name :lol:
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Postby Mainshow » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:41 am

MusicRecords wrote:
stevyy wrote:
MusicRecords wrote:
KokoCollino wrote:Poor Conchita too
who? :lol:
typical American. She is the queen of Europe. The bearded woman.
Bish please :lol: I know who that is now, I recognize his/her face just didn't know her by name :lol:
Oh my Godney!
I can't believe that you are living in Austria. I mean, please, being American is not an excuse for your lack of knowledge concerning Eurovision.
Instead of spamming this forum during night time when you are a little bit tipsy or drunk you better start watching some editions and Eurovision and educate yourself.
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Postby MusicRecords » Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:06 am

^bleh im american...I care zero about Eurovision :lol:

And btw the only reason why I even found out about Conchita was cause Miss Austria dressed up as her for one of the Miss Universe pageants...and I was like wtf why did she draw a beard on herself so had to google it :lol:

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