Ed Sheeran - ÷ (Divide) & ÷ World Tour

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Postby KEY9481 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 3:49 pm

Watch him tour until he grosses 1 billion.
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Postby GreekGeek » Thu Sep 20, 2018 6:48 pm

KEY9481 wrote:Watch him tour until he grosses 1 billion.
Dude needs profit to eat and make more music... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby matheusbelmont » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:13 pm

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Total
Total Reported Gross: $563,584,314
Average Gross: $2,762,668
Total Reported Attendance: 6,434,457
Average Attendance: 31,541
Average Ticket Price: $87.59
Reported shows: 204 / 249

2017: $131,410,174 gross and 1,576,031 attendance (111 shows)
2018: $432,174,140 gross and 4,858,426 attendance (93 shows)

All boxscores here:
http://www.bcharts.net/topic/116743-soz ... -all-time/

The estimated total is $755-765 million gross and 8.55 million of tickets in 249 dates.
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Postby spiritboy » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:35 pm

Yesss King 8-)
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Postby Washingtonian25 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:12 am

Good God! Wow!
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Postby GreekGeek » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:42 am

I think he's being greedy at this point... :roll:
Strike while the iron's hot i suppose...
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Postby spiritboy » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:57 am

It's not being greedy if there is a demand. And clearly there is a huge demand for him as he is selling out stadiums.
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Postby beredy » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:01 pm

GreekGeek wrote:I think he's being greedy at this point... :roll:
Strike while the iron's hot i suppose...
There's no greed here. I don't think any singer/band would pass success like this.
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Postby BeeBoy » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:02 pm

Lol why should he stop touring if the demand is there :lol: he will break U2s record next year. His attendence is huge
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Postby Tansike » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:08 pm

spiritboy wrote:Yesss King 8-)
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Postby matheusbelmont » Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:39 pm

He is just using the demand. I think that no one could reach the mark that he will beat by attendance terms... 8.55 million on tickets sold. His European gross will be $430 million at the end, it's extremely HUGE.

It is also the highest grossing tour in a single year:
#1 Divide Tour - $432.2 million (2018)
#2 Reputation Tour - $340-350 million (2018)
#3 The Joshua Three Tour - $317 million (2017)
#4 U2 360º Tour - $311.6 million (2009)
#5 MDNA Tour - $305.2 million
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Postby GreekGeek » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:47 pm

spiritboy wrote:It's not being greedy if there is a demand. And clearly there is a huge demand for him as he is selling out stadiums.
beredy wrote:There's no greed here. I don't think any singer/band would pass success like this.
Adele then, should be touring for decades in the back of an album release... :roll: :lol: :lol:
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Postby beredy » Fri Nov 23, 2018 10:57 pm

GreekGeek wrote:
spiritboy wrote:It's not being greedy if there is a demand. And clearly there is a huge demand for him as he is selling out stadiums.
beredy wrote:There's no greed here. I don't think any singer/band would pass success like this.
Adele then, should be touring for decades in the back of an album release... :roll: :lol: :lol:
Adele has said more than a couple of times she's not really into touring much.
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Postby menime123 » Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:31 pm

The thing with Ed is that he loves it - he loves being on stage. I don’t think he cares if it’s Wembley stadium or his local pub, he’d be writing and performing no matter what. Good for him.
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Postby Guru » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:16 am

matheusbelmont wrote:Image

Total
Total Reported Gross: $563,584,314
Average Gross: $2,762,668
Total Reported Attendance: 6,434,457
Average Attendance: 31,541
Average Ticket Price: $87.59
Reported shows: 204 / 249

2017: $131,410,174 gross and 1,576,031 attendance (111 shows)
2018: $432,174,140 gross and 4,858,426 attendance (93 shows)

All boxscores here:
http://www.bcharts.net/topic/116743-soz ... -all-time/

The estimated total is $755-765 million gross and 8.55 million of tickets in 249 dates.
Holy F!!! :o
In general, what % of the tour monies does the artist take home (after venue costs etc)
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Postby spiritboy » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:33 am

Depends on the artist and the contract he/she makes i think. Since he doesn't need a big production, he must be getting good portion of the gross. Not only his songs are smashing, the songs he writes for other people are also becoming huge hits. The amount of money he earn from royalties must be huge as well.
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Postby Wayne » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:40 am

The artist will usually get a fee paid by the promoter for putting on the show - the Australian promoter for e.g. might say we'll give you $1.5 million per show.

The revenue grossed from the show will then be used to cover the costs of putting the show on, the marketing associated with it, the promoter's cut and any other costs.

I suppose that the top acts might then have a profit sharing clause within their performance contracts (i.e. a % of the profits made above the costs) but the primary source of income will come from the initial promoter fee.
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Postby Wayne » Sat Nov 24, 2018 9:43 am

Like many British acts, Ed's financial affairs are very public as he is required as a UK tax payer to disclose his earnings (as he files his earnings via a company):

These are his most recent company accounts, published in Oct 2018:

His company Ed Sheeran Ltd released its accounts over the weekend, revealing that his main business had a turnover of £36,293,611 with a gross profit of £27,376,900, which is £75,005 a day and £3,125 an hour

The Perfect singer and songwriter also paid £5,293,424 in UK tax, which is more than Facebook paid in 2015 and 2016.

Despite the huge earnings, rich Ed only paid himself £8,164 and has over £16 million sat in the bank, according to accounts posted at Companies House.
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Postby Guru » Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:53 pm

Wayne wrote:Like many British acts, Ed's financial affairs are very public as he is required as a UK tax payer to disclose his earnings (as he files his earnings via a company):

These are his most recent company accounts, published in Oct 2018:

His company Ed Sheeran Ltd released its accounts over the weekend, revealing that his main business had a turnover of £36,293,611 with a gross profit of £27,376,900, which is £75,005 a day and £3,125 an hour

The Perfect singer and songwriter also paid £5,293,424 in UK tax, which is more than Facebook paid in 2015 and 2016.

Despite the huge earnings, rich Ed only paid himself £8,164 and has over £16 million sat in the bank, according to accounts posted at Companies House.
Surely that does not include monies from touring? Perhaps other ventures?
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Postby Wayne » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:14 pm

Why wouldn’t it?
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Postby Guru » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:45 pm

Looking at his concert gross, it amounts to £439 528 134,80. His gross profit reported is less than 10% of that?
I would understand there are fees and other expenses but I would expect at least 50-60% of that concert gross to make up his gross profit.
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Postby Wayne » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:56 pm

But you're not looking at the numbers in the right way - forget about what the concerts end up grossing for one moment.

Firstly, the promoter assumes all of the risk.

There are two ways of paying the live act: a "guarantee" (i.e. the promoter fee, paid before the concert is held) or a cut of the live gate (which would likely be used for smaller scale acts, where there is an element of risk).

The primary source of income for most artists when it comes to live performance is their guaranteed promoter fee, which they receive even prior to tickets going on sale - the bigger live act you are, the higher fee you command. The biggest acts probably then participate in some sort of profit sharing scheme (once all fees are covered, including the promoter cut - you share a % of what's left).

Typical costs might include:

* The artist "guarantee" or promoter fee.
* The cut that the promoter takes.
* Booking the venue (e.g. it is thought that for a large scale concert, the O2 costs £80,000 to rent).
* Local performance taxes (these can be exorbitant).
* Insurance costs.
* The cost of marketing and advertising the event.
* The cost of the equipment - are you renting the equipment and travelling with it or renting it locally, dependent on the locality? Expensive.
* The cost of looking after the act, notoriously known as "the rider" (i.e. Celine likes to have a special type of water as it hydrates her vocal chords, she likes a particular type of flower and specially made food that's shipped in).
* The cost of putting the act up in local accommodation.
* Trivial costs - such as ticket printing, arena staffing, local security etc.

And there's so much more which I haven't thought about.

Really, this was Ed's second large scale global tour - he wasn't a proven live act, no matter how successful his recorded music was so the likelihood is that this tour sets him up to command massive fees next time - I wouldn't be surprised if he sees less than 20% of the touring gross when all is said and done.

A separate point - most companies in the UK report their accounts from April to March (so those accounts likely won't include reported income for the last 6 months).
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Postby Guru » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:21 pm

Thanks for th details Wayne. Insightful.
Just that when we see these impressive tour numbers, we assume of it goes towards the artist.
I then wonder what Beyonce and Jay Z actually end up with considering the success of their tours.
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Postby matheusbelmont » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:13 am

He added new dates in Asia

Apr 04 2019 Taoyuan City Stadium Taoyuan Taiwan
Apr 09 2019 Tokyo Dome Tokyo Japan
Apr 13 2019 Kuala Lumpur National Stadium Malaysia Bukit Jalil
Apr 17 2019 Hong Kong Fantasy Road Outdoor Hong Kong Hong Kong
Apr 18 2019 Hong Kong Fantasy Road Outdoor Hong Kong Hong Kong
Apr 21 2019 Songdo Moonlight Festival Park SEOUL SOUTH KOREA
Apr 23 2019 Kyocera Dome Osaka Osaka Japan
Apr 26 2019 Singapore National Stadium SINGAPORE SINGAPORE
Apr 28 2019 Rajamangala National Stadium BANGKOK THAILAND
May 03 2019 Gelora Bung Karno Stadium Jakarta Indonesia
With the new dates the tour will pass the $800 million gross and 9 million of tickets sold.
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Postby spiritboy » Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:23 am

King :o

At this rate, we won't get new album before 2020-2021 :(
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