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Postby heppolo » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:24 pm

François Fillon, French Presidential Hopeful, Faces Inquiry Over Payments to Wife
PARIS — France’s financial prosecution office opened an embezzlement investigation Wednesday into François Fillon, a leading presidential candidate, following a newspaper report that his wife had been paid around $535,000 in public money for a no-show job, a revelation that could upend the tightly contested election.

Mr. Fillon, who won November’s center-right primary, has been considered a favorite in the race, but now must contend with questions about whether the payments to his wife were inappropriate. According to the satirical weekly The Canard Enchaîné, Mr. Fillon’s wife, Penelope, received about 500,000 euros over eight years, first as his parliamentary assistant and then as assistant to his deputy Marc Joulaud, who took over when Mr. Fillon became a minister in the government in 2002.

It is not illegal in France for members of Parliament to employ family, and around 10 to 15 percent do so, according to French media. But if Mrs. Fillon did nothing, holding a fake job, in effect, in return for the public funds, her husband could be in trouble.

“This could be painful to Fillon, fairly damaging,” Gérard Grunberg, a political scientist at Sciences-Po, the prestigious political science institute, said Wednesday in an interview. He added: “Everything depends on whether it was a bogus job. If it’s proved that it was — and a well-paid one, too — then this is going to be important. She always said she didn’t participate in political life. So she sort of condemned herself in advance.”

Mr. Fillon, the center-right candidate, has been leading in polls, ahead of his two main challengers, Marine Le Pen of the far-right National Front, and the former economy minister in the Socialist government, Emmanuel Macron, who is running as an independent. The general election is in April, with a runoff expected in May. Either Ms. Le Pen — most likely — or Mr. Macron will wind up in the presidential runoff against Mr. Fillon, analysts have predicted.

In a 2012 posting on Twitter, Mr. Fillon denounced those who “don’t work and receive public money,” in what has become a principal theme of his campaign.

But in its investigation, The Canard Enchaîné quoted another of Mr. Joulaud’s assistants as saying: “I never worked with her,” adding, “I knew her only as the minister’s wife.” Mrs. Fillon has always told interviewers that she stayed away from politics and devoted herself to the couple’s five children, and to domestic pursuits. Of Welsh origin, Mrs. Fillon has been known for her interest in horses and has been photographed with her family in and around the couple’s chateau in Western France.
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Postby Rihab » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:27 pm

Yasss, he's evil.

Président Macron all but confirmed. :D :cry:
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Postby heppolo » Thu Jan 26, 2017 6:32 pm

Rihab wrote:Yasss, he's evil.

Président Macron all but confirmed. :D :cry:
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Postby Rihab » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:06 pm

^ Présidente

The best country in the world ain't voting for that witch though.
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Postby heppolo » Thu Jan 26, 2017 7:28 pm

Rihab wrote:^ Présidente

The best country in the world ain't voting for that witch though.
Imagine a low turnout and a lot of socialists not bothering to vote at all.
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Postby Rihab » Mon Jan 30, 2017 1:01 am

Latest poll (for the 1st round of voting):

Le Pen (Front National) 25%
Fillon (Republican) 22%
Macron (Independent) 21%
Hamon (Socialist) 15%
Mélenchon (Left Front) 10%

This has already hurt him badly. At the beginning of the month, he was winning in most polls.
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Postby heppolo » Mon Jan 30, 2017 4:30 am

Rihab wrote:Latest poll (for the 1st round of voting):

Le Pen (Front National) 25%
Fillon (Republican) 22%
Macron (Independent) 21%
Hamon (Socialist) 15%
Mélenchon (Left Front) 10%

This has already hurt him badly. At the beginning of the month, he was winning in most polls.
Will the other parties unite behind, let's say, Macron like they did in 2002 with Chirac?
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Postby Crackiswack » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:46 am

So Pen will probably win? Why is he disliked???
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Postby Rihab » Mon Jan 30, 2017 9:32 pm

^ Le Pen will probably win the first round of voting, but seeing how 75% of voters don't want a racist maniac as president, she's unlikely to win the second round. Whoever is the second candidate to qualify for the second round is very likely to become a president. Right now, it still looks like it'll be Fillon, but Macron is gaining momentum. It feels a lot like Obama 2008 imo.
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Postby heppolo » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:31 am

Rihab wrote:^ Le Pen will probably win the first round of voting, but seeing how 75% of voters don't want a racist maniac as president, she's unlikely to win the second round. Whoever is the second candidate to qualify for the second round is very likely to become a president.
Le Pen is going to lose if others decide to put their differences aside in the run-off round.
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Postby floria » Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:39 pm

People said that Trump won't win too...
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Postby Rihab » Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:38 pm

floria wrote:People said that Trump won't win too...
Trump's polling numbers were still in the 40s though, not in the 20s. But yeah, I'm not gonna say it's impossible.
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Postby stevyy » Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:07 pm

floria wrote:People said that Trump won't win too...
and he did... he did not receive the most votes...
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Postby KEY9481 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:39 pm

The story is getting bigger and bigger, and even more messy now that inquiries have started. New articles published today are saying his wife has actually "earned" even more money than previously reported.
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Postby Rihab » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:20 pm

Rihab wrote:Latest poll (for the 1st round of voting):

Le Pen (Front National) 25%
Fillon (Republican) 22%
Macron (Independent) 21%
Hamon (Socialist) 15%
Mélenchon (Left Front) 10%
Le Pen 27% (+2)
Macron 23% (+2)
Fillon 20% (-2)
Hamon 17% (+2)
Mélenchon 10% (=)

He's over. Especially with this new Wikileaks thing.
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Postby heppolo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:41 pm

Rihab wrote:
Rihab wrote:Latest poll (for the 1st round of voting):

Le Pen (Front National) 25%
Fillon (Republican) 22%
Macron (Independent) 21%
Hamon (Socialist) 15%
Mélenchon (Left Front) 10%
Le Pen 27% (+2)
Macron 23% (+2)
Fillon 20% (-2)
Hamon 17% (+2)
Mélenchon 10% (=)

He's over. Especially with this new Wikileaks thing.
If Le Pen is going to move beyond 30 percent, France should start panic
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Postby Rihab » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:45 pm

heppolo wrote:
Rihab wrote:
Rihab wrote:Latest poll (for the 1st round of voting):

Le Pen (Front National) 25%
Fillon (Republican) 22%
Macron (Independent) 21%
Hamon (Socialist) 15%
Mélenchon (Left Front) 10%
Le Pen 27% (+2)
Macron 23% (+2)
Fillon 20% (-2)
Hamon 17% (+2)
Mélenchon 10% (=)

He's over. Especially with this new Wikileaks thing.
If Le Pen is going to move beyond 30 percent, France should start panic
2nd round of voting:

Macron 65%
Le Pen 35%

No need to panic unless Putin also has dirt on Macron. We all know this story got leaked cause he wanted to boost Le Pen. Poor him.
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Postby heppolo » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:48 pm

Or Macron is going to fail himself, for example, failing to mobilize socialists in the run-off and so forth
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Postby Rihab » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:12 pm

He's already doing a pretty good job mobilizing alienated, moderate Socialists (whose candidate is too far to the left) and moderate Republicans (whose candidate is too far to the right) now, stealing votes from both of them. Mobilizing Socialists also wasn't an issue in the 2015 regional elections where it was between Republicans and Front National in two regions. There's nothing that scares them more than a fascist. Macron is technically centrist, so both parties are more likely to find common ground with him and support him in the run-off than they are with Le Pen's extreme views.
The only things that can stop him are Wikileaks or another major terrorist attack (god forbid) imo.
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Postby Hermes » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:27 pm

Marine is not winning, even though she'll definitely pull through the first round. There are indeed people who would vote for her, but many French people - including myself - think she's a racist b**** and we won't let her win. Plus, the Front National have no plan apart from getting momentum thanks to people's hatred and disappointment. They feed on that without actually proposing anything with substance.

A good thing Fillon is being questioned by the authorities. The policies he's trying to implement are dreadful, and he screams dishonesty to me.

I'm here for Macron, Hamon or Mélenchon, anyway.
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Postby thankfulforkelly » Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:58 pm

Macron ftw 8-)
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Postby heppolo » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:39 am

The Socialist Party in France has elected Benoit Hamon as its presidential candidate by a large majority.
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Postby Crackiswack » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:04 am

Can this thread name be changed to just plain French Presidential Election?
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Postby MusicRecords » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:39 am

Crackiswack wrote:Can this thread name be changed to just plain French Presidential Election?
+1 the title sounds odd :lol:
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Postby Rihab » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:02 pm

MusicRecords wrote:
Crackiswack wrote:Can this thread name be changed to just plain French Presidential Election?
+1 the title sounds odd :lol:
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