The Random Poll Thread | On... Britain's Monarchy

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Would you favour Britain becoming a Republic or remaining a Monarchy?

Republic
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42%
Monarchy
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48%
Don't Know
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10%
 
Total votes : 31

Postby Hugo » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:00 pm

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Ok, this is supposed to be pretty simple.

Suggest an idea (it can be about anything) for a poll, I'll then create it and we'll see how ukmix answers.

If it already exists then the mods can just press delete.

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Postby YouMakeMeFeel » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:08 pm

Cool idea. Let's continue
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Postby Serby » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:11 pm

Woo, good idea tbh. We should also have discussion about current polls, right?

I'd like to have a poll on capital punishment for starters.
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Postby Hugo » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:13 pm

Serby wrote:Woo, good idea tbh. We should also have discussion about current polls, right?

I'd like to have a poll on capital punishment for starters.
Of course!!

And we have our first idea for a poll 8-)
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Postby Biebz » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:27 pm

I'm already getting this confused with the random though thread
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Postby spiritboy » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:50 pm

Good idea Hugo
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Postby ludichris » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:22 pm

When will the first poll take place?
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Postby Hugo » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:55 pm

ludichris wrote:When will the first poll take place?
Today 8-)
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Postby Hugo » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:26 pm

(Serby) ON... DEATH PENALTY

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Postby Hugo » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:35 pm

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Postby Hugo » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:44 am

It doesn't seem like such a divisive topic on ukmix.
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Postby floria » Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:45 am

I have always been surprised that Venezuela is the first country to abolish the death penalty for all crimes.
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Postby Hugo » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:02 pm

floria wrote:I have always been surprised that Venezuela is the first country to abolish the death penalty for all crimes.
I had no idea.

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Postby menime123 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:52 am

I oppose it to, purely because I think it’s worse to live out your days in prison and are given time to think about what you really did. I also don’t believe in ‘an eye for an eye’ - I prefer to take a high moral ground.
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Postby Hugo » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:17 pm

Does anyone want to suggest an idea for the next poll?
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Postby heppolo » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:55 am

menime123 wrote:I oppose it to, purely because I think it’s worse to live out your days in prison and are given time to think about what you really did. I also don’t believe in ‘an eye for an eye’ - I prefer to take a high moral ground.
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Postby Serby » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:22 am

Hugo wrote:Does anyone want to suggest an idea for the next poll?
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Postby ludichris » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:06 am

I actually support the death penalty for extreme crimes and if it is more cost effective for the tax payer it is a viable option. Who would want to live next to a released serial killer or child rapist for example?

However I have read that it is actually cheaper to keep a prisoner in prison on a life sentence than it is to execute via death penalty in America, not sure if that's true or not.
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Postby heppolo » Fri Dec 15, 2017 10:14 am

Hugo wrote:Does anyone want to suggest an idea for the next poll?
Is the globalization bad or good?
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Postby Serby » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:24 pm

Although the inner myself would want it sometimes, no state should be able to punish someone by death.
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Postby spiritboy » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:08 pm

I support death penalty. If you kill someone, you don't deserve to live anymore. Prison doesn't solve anything, especially in countries like Turkey. If a man kills someone and behaves well in the court room and in prison until his court date, his punishment is cut in half and he gets out and commits the same crime over and over.
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Postby JSparksFan » Fri Dec 15, 2017 5:12 pm

Serby wrote:Although the inner myself would want it sometimes, no state should be able to punish someone by death.
I feel that extraordinary crimes warrant a punishment as severe as a death penalty, but I'm sure it'd be abused and some innocent person would be wrongfully murdered, so I have conflicting feelings of putting such power in institutions we already know are corrupt.
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Postby Rihab » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:42 pm

Hugo wrote:Does anyone want to suggest an idea for the next poll?
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Postby Hugo » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:13 pm

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Hugo wrote:Does anyone want to suggest an idea for the next poll?
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Postby Wayne » Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:57 pm

ludichris wrote:I actually support the death penalty for extreme crimes and if it is more cost effective for the tax payer it is a viable option. Who would want to live next to a released serial killer or child rapist for example?
I personally hold the view these days that the #1 priority for prisons should be rehabilitation of offenders - for "extreme crimes" (by the way, what would you deem an "extreme crime"?), and by exception, I would support a whole life sentence.

I can't get on board with the "eye for an eye" view - I posted this earlier this year on this subject:

The death penalty is the ultimate proof that an "eye for an eye" doesn't work when it comes to deterring serious crime.

The US is probably the best example of a developed nation whereby an "eye for an eye" just does not work. This is completely off topic but anyway - I've just spent some time looking at the capital punishment rates per state. 31 US states have capital punishment in place for murder:

The highest murder rate of those 31 is Louisiana with 10.3 murders per 100,000. The lowest is New Hampshire with 0.9. No other state that allows for the death penalty has a murder rate of less than 2.0. The median murder rate for all 32 states is 4.5 per 100,000.

Of the 19 remaining states that do not allow capital punishment for murder, the highest murder rate is in Maryland with 6.1, with the lowest murder rate of 1.6 in Vermont, Maine and Minnesota. A further 2 states have a murder rate of less than 2.0 per 100,000 - Hawaii at 1.8 and Iowa at 1.9. The median murder rate is 3.1 per 100,000.

The murder rate in the UK is 0.94 per 100,000 - so significantly less than the US (the figures above are 2014 figures). And we haven't used the death penalty since 1964. There's a tonne of other factors to consider of course and I don't presume to make a case based on numbers alone but is telling that even in the US - states that use the death penalty have a 45% higher rate of murder than those that don't.
The death penalty does not solve crime - the death penalty is an emotional response to a sense of loss; it might gratify the victim or the victims family/friends for about 5 minutes but it wouldn't solve their problems. Their personal loss would still be there.

Resources should be invested in prevention, education, social support, training and when somebody does wrong, in punishment also. But that punishment, except in exceptional circumstances (i.e. the most serious crimes where no rehabilitation is foreseen), should be as much about rehabilitation & reintegration and trying to understand why they did wrong as it is about depriving them of their freedoms, family and lives.

But society has to accept that a criminal can be reintegrated first.
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