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Postby whyme » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:37 pm

Nana Mouskouri sold more than any of them!!!! :wink: :wink:
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Postby rikta » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:47 pm

mjno1fan wrote:The best selling male artist is Michael Jackson & the Best Selling Female artist is Mariah Carey!
Michael Jackson sold 1/10 of what Elvis did.[/quote]

And my mother is George Bush![/quote]

Okay, I exagerated, but Elvis obviously is the best selling male of all time. He sold more then 100,000,000 in the USA alone.[/quote]

And Jackson outsold him otuside US![/quote]

No it´s not true, it has been fully disclosed by his label that Elvis sold more then a billion records worldwide, and even if they´re exagerating, MJ doesn´t have a chance to beat Elvis. Remember Elvis has released tons of albums and singles, MJ is a legend, but Elvis is almost a God.[/quote]



I'm wondering what you're doing in a chart forum if you can believe such folklore as this 1 billion figure. At the very most, Elvis Presley sold between 300 and 400 million records.
He sold about 150 million records in the US and about 35 million in the UK : that makes roughly 185 million records in those 2 record markets that arguably represents at least 70% of Elvis' market share.
While Michael Jackson sold around 100 million records in the US (65 million albums + 35 million singles) and 25 million in the UK, he definitely outsold Elvis in France, Germany, Australia, Japan, Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Italy, Taiwan, South Korea and about everywhere else.

Few examples?

AUSTRALIA

The top-selling musicians of all time in Australia
as of March 31, 2004

Prepared by David Dale for The Sydney Morning Herald, based on long-playing vinyl and CD sales, using estimates from the Australian Record Industry Association and music researcher David Kent's Australian Chart Book.

1 Elton John
2 The Beatles
3 Billy Joel
4 Paul McCartney
5 Michael Jackson
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33 Elvis Presley

TURKEY

March 31st 2000

Turkey's Biggest Selling Artist

Sony Music [Turkey] have said that Michael is the biggest selling foreign artist
in Turkey with more than 1,500,000 units sold.

His six albums [foreign albums get certified gold with 50,000 units and platinum with 100,000 units] have sold as follows:

Michael's 1995 released album 'HIStory-Past, Present & Future Book I'
has sold more than 218,000 units and is the biggest selling foreign double album of all time in Turkey.

His 1987 released album 'Bad' with 499,000 units sold, is the highest selling
foreign album in Turkey.

'Blood On The Dance Floor - HIStory In The Mix' with 115,000 units sold is the best selling remix album of all time in Turkey.

FRANCE

You have to know that France's phonographic industry doesn't have greater distinction than Diamond certification ( no 2x diamond,...).

However, it is said that Thriller has actually sold over 3 million copies in France ( worth 3x Diamond if such a certification existed ), making it the #1 selling international album of all time in France and #2 overall, behind Celine Dion's 1995 D'Eux ( which spent 44 weeks on top of French album chart and sold over 4 million).

Dangerous sold 2 million, History and Bad 1.5 million.
Invincible actually sold over 600.000 copies, including 166.000 copies in its first week, the highest first week sales for a foreign album in France's history.

Otherwise, singlewises, MJ is the only artist with French superstar Michel Sardou that generated 4 million-selling singles in France, with Beat It being his highest seller, at 1.2 million copies sold.

Best Selling Albums (certified) In some Countries:

NEW ZEALAND

Here's the list (from "New Zealand Music Charts 1975-2000-Albums-by Dean Scapolo)
There has never been an exact listing of the best selling albums in New Zealand's history, however, an approximate guess has been given to the author of this book by the RIANZ. This is NOT to be taken as gospel regarding the best selling albums in New Zealand.

1) Abba - Best Of Abba
2) Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
3) Shania Twain - Come On Over (255,000)
3) Bruce Springsteen - Born In The USA (220,000)
3) Elvis Presley - All Time Greatest Hits
4) Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill
4) Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
4) Spice Girls - Spice

SWITZERLAND

Abba, Gold, 9x platinum, 2000, (450,000)
Andrea Bocelli, Romanza, 7x platinum, 1998,(350,000)
Michael Jackson, Thriller, 6x platinum, 1993(300,000)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, 6x platinum, 1993,(300,000)
Celine Dion, Let's Talk Abotu Love, 6x platinum, 1998, (300,000)

FINLAND (INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS)

Queen, Greatest Hits, (132,400)
Abba, Gold, (131,754)
Bon Jovi, Cross Road, (120,828)
Baccara, Baccara, (115,000)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, (114,684)
Bruce Springsteen, Born In The USA, (107,112)
Roxette, Joyride, (100,453)

FINLAND (LOCAL ARTISTS)

Jari Sillanpää, Jari Sillanpää, (265,601)
Eppu Normaali, Repullinen hittejä, (227,724)
Kirka, Surun pyyhit silmistäni, (208,975)
Dingo, Kerjäläisten valtakunta, (190,894)
Joel Hallikainen, Joel Hallikainen, (178,654)
Kaija Koo, Tuulten viemää, (175,144)
Smurffit, Tanssihitit Vol. 1, (167,698)
Hurriganes, Roadrunner, (167,514)

NETHERLANDS

Michael Jackson, Thriller, 8x platinum, 1996, (640,000)
Andre Rieu, Strauss & Co, 7x platinum, 1995, (560,000)
Various, Titanic, 7x platinum, 1998, (560,000)
Celine Dion, Falling Into You, 6x platinum, 1997, (480,000)
Mariah Carey, Music Box, 6x platinum, 1996, (480,000)
Marco Borsato, De Waarheid, 6x platinum, 1997, (480,000)
Celine Dion, Let's Talk About Love, 5x platinum, 1998, (400,000)
Robert Long, Vroeger Of Later, 5x platinum, 1997, (400,000)
Andre Hazes, Al 15 Jaar Gewoon Andre, 5x platinum, 2001, (400,000)
Ilse de Lange, World of Hurt, 5x platinum, 2001, (400,000)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, 5x platinum, 2002, (400,000)
Queen, Greatest Hits II, 5x platinum, 1997, (400,000)
Marco Borsato, De Bestemming, 5x platinum, 1998, (400,000)

NORWAY

Shania Twain, Come On Over, 1999, (240,000)
Åge Aleksandersen, Eldorado, 1997, (200,000)
Åge Aleksandersen, Leva Livet, 1997, (200,000)
Bjørn Eidsvåg, Tålt, 2003, (200,000)

AUSTRIA

Herbert Groenemeyer, Mensch, 7x platinum, 2004, (210,000)
EAV, Geld oder Leben, 5x platinum, 1990, (200,000)
EAV, Neppomuks Rache, 5x platinum, 1990, (200,000)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, 4x platinum, 1994,(160,000)
Goisern, Hubert Von, Aufgeig'n statt niederschiass'n, 4x platinum, 1994, (160,000)
Michael Jackson, Bad, 4x platinum, 1993, (160,000)
Michael Jackson, Dangerous, 4x platinum, 1997, (160,000)

Queen, Greatest Hits, 4x platinum, 2000, (160,000)
Robbie Williams, Swing When You Are Winning, 4x platinum, 2002, (120,000)
Robbie Williams, Escapology, 4x platinum, 2004, (120,000)
STS, Grenzenlos, 4x platinum, 1991, (160,000)
Whitney Houston, The Bodyguard, 4x platinum, 2002, (120,000)

SPAIN

Alejandro Sanz, Mas, 22x platinum, (2.2 million)
Alejandro Sanz, El Alma Al Aire, 13x platinum, (1.3 million)
Mecano, Descanso Dominical, 13x platinum, (1.3 million)
David Bisbal, Corazon Latino, 12x platinum, (1.2 million)
Estopa, Estopa, 12x platinum, (1.2 million)
Operacion Triunfo 1, El Album, 12x platinum, (1.2 million)
Laura Pausini, Laura Pausini, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Mecano, Adalai, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Monica Naranjo, Palabra De Mujer, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Oreja de Van Gogh, La, El Viaje de Copperpot, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Rosana, Lunas Rotas, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Gloria Estefan, Mi Tierra, 10x platinum, (1 million)
Julio Iglesias, Raices, 10x platinum, (1 million)
Spice Girls, Spice, 10x platinum, (1 million)

Spain ( International artists)

Spice Girls , Spice 10x Platinum (1 million)
Backstreet Boys Backstreet's Back 9x Platinum (900.000)
Michael Jackson Thriller 6x Platinum (600.000)
Michael Jackson Dangerous 6x Platinum (600.000)

The Corrs Talk On Corners 6x Platinum (600.000)
Whitney Houston Bodyguard soundtrack 5x Platinum (500.000)
Michael Jackson Bad 5x Platinum (500.000)
Europe The Final Countdown 5x Platinum (500.000)
The Beatles One 5x Platinum (500.000)
Aqua Aquarium 5x Platinum (500.000)


CANADA

Michael Jackson, Thriller, Apr/1984, (2 million)
Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Jun/1995, (2 million)
Led Zeppelin, IV, Jun/1995, (2 million)
Pink Floyd, The Wall, Aug/1995, (2 million)
Meat Loaf, Bat Out Of Hell, Aug/1995, (2 million)
Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill, Nov/1996, (2 million)
The Eagles, Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975, May/1997, (2 million)
Shania Twain, The Woman In Me, Apr/1999, (2 million)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, Jan/2000, (2 million)
Pink Floyd, Dark Side Of The Moon, Mar/2003, (2 million)
Shania Twain, Up, Dec/2004, (2 million)

UK

The Beatles, Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, (4.5 million)
Oasis, (What's The Story) Morning Glory, (4.2 million)
Michael Jackson, Bad, (4 million)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, (3.9 million)
Madonna, The Immaculate Collection, (3.6 million)
Abba, Abba Gold Greatest Hits, (3.6 million)
Simply Red, Stars, (3.6 million)
Michael Jackson, Thriller, (3.3 million)
Queen, Greatest Hits (Volume One), (3.3 million)
Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill, (3 million)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, (3 million)
Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, (3 million)
Spice Girls, Spice, (3 million)
Dido, No Angel, (2.8 million)
Robbie Williams, I've Been Expecting You (2.7 million)
Corrs, Talk On Corner, (2.7 million)
Elton John, The Very Best Of Elton John, (2.7 million)
David Gray, White Ladder, (2.6 million)
Simon & Garfunkel, Bridge Over Troubled Water, (2.5 million)
Simon & Garfunkel, Greatest Hits, (2.5 million)

AUSTRALIA

Meat Loaf, Bat Out Of Hell, (1.33 million)
John Farnham, Whispering Jack, (1.19 million)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, (1.05 million)
Alania Morissette, Jagged Little Pill, (980,000)
Delta Goodrem, Innocent Eyes, (980,000)
Queen, Greatest Hits, (910,000)
Celine Dion, Falling Into You, (840,000)
Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, (840,000)
Michael Jackson, Thriller, (840,000)
Savage Garden, Savage Garden, (840,000)
Abba, Abba Gold, (770,000)
Madonna, The Immaculate Collection, (770,000)
Mariah Carey, Music Box, (770,000)
Pink Floyd, Dark Side Of The Moon, (770,000)
Soundtrack, Grease, (770,000)
Soundtrack, Saturday Night Fever, (770,000)

SWEDEN

Abba, Gold Greatest Hits, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Gyllene Tider, Halmstads Parlor, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Kent, Vapen & Ammunition, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Per Gessle, Mazarin, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Cornelis Vreeswijk, Guldkorn Fran Master Cees Memoarer, 4x platinum, (240,000)
Blandade Artister, Klassiska Favoriter Vol. 1, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Celine Dion, Let's Talk About Love, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Cher, Believe, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Dr Bombay, Rice & Curry, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Gyllene Tider, Finn Fem Fel, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Madonna, Ray Of Light, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Magnus Uggla, Klassiska Masterverk, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Marie Fredriksson, Antligen-Marie F Basta 1984-2000, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Markoolio, Dikter Fran Ett Hjarta, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Per Gessle, Mazarin, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, (180,000)
Tomas Ledin, Festen Har Borjat, 3x platinum, (180,000)

Argentina (Local & International)

Rosana - Lunas rotas (1,000,000)
Fito Paez - El amor despues del amor (700,000)
Shakira - Donde estan los ladrones (600,000)
Michael Jackson - Thriller (500,000)

Germany:

Before 1999, the Gold record was given for 250.000 and Platinum for 500.000.
Ever since, The german recording industry has downgraded Gold to 150.000 and Platinum to 300.000.

Collins, Phil, ...But Seriously PLATINUM x6 (3.000.000)
Beatles, 1 PLATINUM x5 (1.500.000)
Groneymeyer, Herbert, 4630 Bochum PLATINUM x5 (2.500.000)
Heintje, Heintje PLATINUM x5 (2.500.000)
Beatles, The Beatles 1962-1966 PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Bocelli, Andrea, Bocelli PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Chapman, Tracy, Tracy Chapman PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Genesis, We Can't Dance PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Jackson, Michael, Bad PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Jackson, Michael, Dangerous PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)

Pur, Abenteuerland PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Queen, Greatest Hits 2 PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Ace Of Base, Happy Nation PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Beatles, The Beatles 1967-1970 PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Saturday Night Fever PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Collins, Phil, Face Value PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Collins, Phil, Both Sides PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Collins, Phil, Serious Hits...Live! PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Dion, Celine, Let's Talk About Love PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Dion, Celine, All The Way... A Decade Of Song PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Groneymeyer, Herbert, O PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Heintje, Weihnachten mit Heintje PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Houston, Whitney, The Bodyguard PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Jackson, Michael, Thriller PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Jackson, Michael, HIStory: Past, Present And Future, Book 1 PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)

Kelly Family, Over The Hump PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Madonna, Ray Of Light PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Muller-Westernhagen, Marius, Live PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Muller-Westernhagen, Marius, Affentheater PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Petry, Wolfgang, Alles PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Pink Floyd, The Wall PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Pur, Seiltanzertraum PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Queen, Greatest Hits 1 PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Ramazzotti, Eros, Eros PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Reim, Matthias, Reim PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Roxette, Joyride PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Rush, Jennifer, Movin' PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Simon & Garfunkel, Simon & Garfunkel's Greatest Hits PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Soundtrack, Dirty Dancing PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Soundtrack, Der Konig der Lowen PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Spears, Britney, Oops!...I Did It Again PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)

Japan's international best selling albums:

Until 2001, here are the non-japanese albums that passed the million mark.

01 2.809.000 #1's Mariah Carey (98)
02 2.279.000 22 HITS OF THE CARPENTERS Carpenters (95)
03 2.203.000 DAYDREAM Mariah Carey (95)
04 2.083.000 MERRY CHIRISTMAS Mariah Carey (94)
05 1.882.000 BODY GUARD Soundtrack (92)
06 1.875.000 1 The Beatles (00)
07 1.613.000 THRILLER Michael Jackson (82)
08 1.589.000 MUSIC BOX Mariah Carey (93)
09 1.561.000 SCATMAN'S WORLD Scatman John (95)
10 1.418.000 TITANIC Soundtrack (97)
11 1.230.000 ALL THE WAY... A DECADE OF SONG Celine Dion (99)
12 1.150.000 CROSSROAD Bon Jovi (94)
13 1.066.000 FLASHDANCE Soundtrack (83)
14 1.031.000 LET'S TALK ABOUT LOVE Celine Dion (97)
15 1.025.000 BUTTERFLY Mariah Carey (97)

See, MJ is ubiquitous and Elvis is nowhere.
Michael doesn't only top Elvis on record sales but he's had greater chart runs than Elvis in most of these countries as well.
Plus, I'm not even counting his sales with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons on it.
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Postby whyme » Wed Sep 07, 2005 8:59 pm

Look how much Abba Gold sold!
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Postby joao » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:05 pm

If we base it on these lists you posted (that only feature artists from the 80´s 90´s and 00´s), then Celine Dion and Shania Twain would be bigger then the Beatles. I see no Beatles records in these lists (except the 1´s album, which is very recent). These lists doesn´t take in acount old albums, and even if Elvis didn´t have such a big selling album, he has released twice or more albums and singles as MJ have.
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Postby mjno1fan » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:24 pm

Whyme ur a legend.At last people can see themselves how much more Michael is than Elvis!
It's not my fault I'm so popular!!!
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Postby MJDangerous » Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:30 pm

joao wrote:If we base it on these lists you posted (that only feature artists from the 80´s 90´s and 00´s), then Celine Dion and Shania Twain would be bigger then the Beatles. I see no Beatles records in these lists (except the 1´s album, which is very recent). These lists doesn´t take in acount old albums, and even if Elvis didn´t have such a big selling album, he has released twice or more albums and singles as MJ have.
Twice or more albums & singles as MJ yes it's right, but with sales 10 or more times ahead for Michael Jackson.

I take the example of Germany :

Elvis : 22 charted albums = 339 weeks on charts.
Michael Jackson : 482 weeks on charts with Thriller/Bad/Dangerous/HIStory only. 537 weeks with others albums/compilations.

Elvis : 0 #1 albums
MJ : 4 #1 albums (in a row), 25 weeks on the top.

"Elvis - 30 #1 Hits" seems to be Elvis major success in Germany, #3, 6 weeks in top 10 and 25 weeks on charts. It's ridiculous compare to Michael Jackson performance in this country, and it's the same everywhere except USA/UK.
In many countries, Thriller sales are higher than all Elvis discography !
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Postby whyme » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:22 pm

mjno1fan wrote:Whyme ur a legend.At last people can see themselves how much more Michael is than Elvis!
NO no!!, michael jackson is a legend and so is mariah. In fact, they are God.
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Postby mjno1fan » Wed Sep 07, 2005 10:23 pm

Yep they sure are!
It's not my fault I'm so popular!!!
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Postby Dom88 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:13 am

whyme wrote:
Dom88 wrote:Sorry for gettins so worked up whyme, but i was in a bad mood this morning and this was the last straw, however i'm much happier now, i do like Madonna, i just think Mariahs far more talented, once again i sincerley appoligise, sorry :(
no problem. PEACE :D
let's put it this way - they are both a million times richer than we'll ever be...
True that, true that! :wink:
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Postby Dom88 » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:18 am

By the way, i've heard that Nana Mouskouri has sold somthing like 250 million albums world wide, how is this possible that she (may) be the worlds highest selling female when she doesn't even claim to be herself? :o

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Postby whyme » Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:29 am

Dom88 wrote:By the way, i've heard that Nana Mouskouri has sold somthing like 250 million albums world wide, how is this possible that she (may) be the worlds highest selling female when she doesn't even claim to be herself? :o

very confused :-?
There was a post about that in this forum recently. I personally think that's she's not even close to being on top, but check out that thread for more info.
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Postby aez » Thu Sep 08, 2005 2:55 am

rikta wrote:
mjno1fan wrote:Few examples?

[b]AUSTRALIA


The top-selling musicians of all time in Australia
as of March 31, 2004

Prepared by David Dale for The Sydney Morning Herald, based on long-playing vinyl and CD sales, using estimates from the Australian Record Industry Association and music researcher David Kent's Australian Chart Book.

1 Elton John
2 The Beatles
3 Billy Joel
4 Paul McCartney
5 Michael Jackson
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33 Elvis Presley

TURKEY

March 31st 2000

Turkey's Biggest Selling Artist

Sony Music [Turkey] have said that Michael is the biggest selling foreign artist
in Turkey with more than 1,500,000 units sold.

His six albums [foreign albums get certified gold with 50,000 units and platinum with 100,000 units] have sold as follows:

Michael's 1995 released album 'HIStory-Past, Present & Future Book I'
has sold more than 218,000 units and is the biggest selling foreign double album of all time in Turkey.

His 1987 released album 'Bad' with 499,000 units sold, is the highest selling
foreign album in Turkey.

'Blood On The Dance Floor - HIStory In The Mix' with 115,000 units sold is the best selling remix album of all time in Turkey.

FRANCE

You have to know that France's phonographic industry doesn't have greater distinction than Diamond certification ( no 2x diamond,...).

However, it is said that Thriller has actually sold over 3 million copies in France ( worth 3x Diamond if such a certification existed ), making it the #1 selling international album of all time in France and #2 overall, behind Celine Dion's 1995 D'Eux ( which spent 44 weeks on top of French album chart and sold over 4 million).

Dangerous sold 2 million, History and Bad 1.5 million.
Invincible actually sold over 600.000 copies, including 166.000 copies in its first week, the highest first week sales for a foreign album in France's history.

Otherwise, singlewises, MJ is the only artist with French superstar Michel Sardou that generated 4 million-selling singles in France, with Beat It being his highest seller, at 1.2 million copies sold.

Best Selling Albums (certified) In some Countries:

NEW ZEALAND

Here's the list (from "New Zealand Music Charts 1975-2000-Albums-by Dean Scapolo)
There has never been an exact listing of the best selling albums in New Zealand's history, however, an approximate guess has been given to the author of this book by the RIANZ. This is NOT to be taken as gospel regarding the best selling albums in New Zealand.

1) Abba - Best Of Abba
2) Dire Straits - Brothers In Arms
3) Shania Twain - Come On Over (255,000)
3) Bruce Springsteen - Born In The USA (220,000)
3) Elvis Presley - All Time Greatest Hits
4) Alanis Morissette - Jagged Little Pill
4) Pink Floyd - Dark Side Of The Moon
4) Spice Girls - Spice

SWITZERLAND

Abba, Gold, 9x platinum, 2000, (450,000)
Andrea Bocelli, Romanza, 7x platinum, 1998,(350,000)
Michael Jackson, Thriller, 6x platinum, 1993(300,000)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, 6x platinum, 1993,(300,000)
Celine Dion, Let's Talk Abotu Love, 6x platinum, 1998, (300,000)

FINLAND (INTERNATIONAL ARTISTS)

Queen, Greatest Hits, (132,400)
Abba, Gold, (131,754)
Bon Jovi, Cross Road, (120,828)
Baccara, Baccara, (115,000)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, (114,684)
Bruce Springsteen, Born In The USA, (107,112)
Roxette, Joyride, (100,453)

FINLAND (LOCAL ARTISTS)

Jari Sillanpää, Jari Sillanpää, (265,601)
Eppu Normaali, Repullinen hittejä, (227,724)
Kirka, Surun pyyhit silmistäni, (208,975)
Dingo, Kerjäläisten valtakunta, (190,894)
Joel Hallikainen, Joel Hallikainen, (178,654)
Kaija Koo, Tuulten viemää, (175,144)
Smurffit, Tanssihitit Vol. 1, (167,698)
Hurriganes, Roadrunner, (167,514)

NETHERLANDS

Michael Jackson, Thriller, 8x platinum, 1996, (640,000)
Andre Rieu, Strauss & Co, 7x platinum, 1995, (560,000)
Various, Titanic, 7x platinum, 1998, (560,000)
Celine Dion, Falling Into You, 6x platinum, 1997, (480,000)
Mariah Carey, Music Box, 6x platinum, 1996, (480,000)
Marco Borsato, De Waarheid, 6x platinum, 1997, (480,000)
Celine Dion, Let's Talk About Love, 5x platinum, 1998, (400,000)
Robert Long, Vroeger Of Later, 5x platinum, 1997, (400,000)
Andre Hazes, Al 15 Jaar Gewoon Andre, 5x platinum, 2001, (400,000)
Ilse de Lange, World of Hurt, 5x platinum, 2001, (400,000)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, 5x platinum, 2002, (400,000)
Queen, Greatest Hits II, 5x platinum, 1997, (400,000)
Marco Borsato, De Bestemming, 5x platinum, 1998, (400,000)

NORWAY

Shania Twain, Come On Over, 1999, (240,000)
Åge Aleksandersen, Eldorado, 1997, (200,000)
Åge Aleksandersen, Leva Livet, 1997, (200,000)
Bjørn Eidsvåg, Tålt, 2003, (200,000)

AUSTRIA

Herbert Groenemeyer, Mensch, 7x platinum, 2004, (210,000)
EAV, Geld oder Leben, 5x platinum, 1990, (200,000)
EAV, Neppomuks Rache, 5x platinum, 1990, (200,000)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, 4x platinum, 1994,(160,000)
Goisern, Hubert Von, Aufgeig'n statt niederschiass'n, 4x platinum, 1994, (160,000)
Michael Jackson, Bad, 4x platinum, 1993, (160,000)
Michael Jackson, Dangerous, 4x platinum, 1997, (160,000)

Queen, Greatest Hits, 4x platinum, 2000, (160,000)
Robbie Williams, Swing When You Are Winning, 4x platinum, 2002, (120,000)
Robbie Williams, Escapology, 4x platinum, 2004, (120,000)
STS, Grenzenlos, 4x platinum, 1991, (160,000)
Whitney Houston, The Bodyguard, 4x platinum, 2002, (120,000)

SPAIN

Alejandro Sanz, Mas, 22x platinum, (2.2 million)
Alejandro Sanz, El Alma Al Aire, 13x platinum, (1.3 million)
Mecano, Descanso Dominical, 13x platinum, (1.3 million)
David Bisbal, Corazon Latino, 12x platinum, (1.2 million)
Estopa, Estopa, 12x platinum, (1.2 million)
Operacion Triunfo 1, El Album, 12x platinum, (1.2 million)
Laura Pausini, Laura Pausini, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Mecano, Adalai, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Monica Naranjo, Palabra De Mujer, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Oreja de Van Gogh, La, El Viaje de Copperpot, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Rosana, Lunas Rotas, 11x platinum, (1.1 million)
Gloria Estefan, Mi Tierra, 10x platinum, (1 million)
Julio Iglesias, Raices, 10x platinum, (1 million)
Spice Girls, Spice, 10x platinum, (1 million)

Spain ( International artists)

Spice Girls , Spice 10x Platinum (1 million)
Backstreet Boys Backstreet's Back 9x Platinum (900.000)
Michael Jackson Thriller 6x Platinum (600.000)
Michael Jackson Dangerous 6x Platinum (600.000)

The Corrs Talk On Corners 6x Platinum (600.000)
Whitney Houston Bodyguard soundtrack 5x Platinum (500.000)
Michael Jackson Bad 5x Platinum (500.000)
Europe The Final Countdown 5x Platinum (500.000)
The Beatles One 5x Platinum (500.000)
Aqua Aquarium 5x Platinum (500.000)

CANADA

Michael Jackson, Thriller, Apr/1984, (2 million)
Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, Jun/1995, (2 million)
Led Zeppelin, IV, Jun/1995, (2 million)
Pink Floyd, The Wall, Aug/1995, (2 million)
Meat Loaf, Bat Out Of Hell, Aug/1995, (2 million)
Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill, Nov/1996, (2 million)
The Eagles, Their Greatest Hits 1971-1975, May/1997, (2 million)
Shania Twain, The Woman In Me, Apr/1999, (2 million)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, Jan/2000, (2 million)
Pink Floyd, Dark Side Of The Moon, Mar/2003, (2 million)
Shania Twain, Up, Dec/2004, (2 million)

UK

The Beatles, Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, (4.5 million)
Oasis, (What's The Story) Morning Glory, (4.2 million)
Michael Jackson, Bad, (4 million)
Dire Straits, Brothers In Arms, (3.9 million)
Madonna, The Immaculate Collection, (3.6 million)
Abba, Abba Gold Greatest Hits, (3.6 million)
Simply Red, Stars, (3.6 million)
Michael Jackson, Thriller, (3.3 million)
Queen, Greatest Hits (Volume One), (3.3 million)
Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill, (3 million)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, (3 million)
Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, (3 million)
Spice Girls, Spice, (3 million)
Dido, No Angel, (2.8 million)
Robbie Williams, I've Been Expecting You (2.7 million)
Corrs, Talk On Corner, (2.7 million)
Elton John, The Very Best Of Elton John, (2.7 million)
David Gray, White Ladder, (2.6 million)
Simon & Garfunkel, Bridge Over Troubled Water, (2.5 million)
Simon & Garfunkel, Greatest Hits, (2.5 million)

AUSTRALIA

Meat Loaf, Bat Out Of Hell, (1.33 million)
John Farnham, Whispering Jack, (1.19 million)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, (1.05 million)
Alania Morissette, Jagged Little Pill, (980,000)
Delta Goodrem, Innocent Eyes, (980,000)
Queen, Greatest Hits, (910,000)
Celine Dion, Falling Into You, (840,000)
Fleetwood Mac, Rumours, (840,000)
Michael Jackson, Thriller, (840,000)
Savage Garden, Savage Garden, (840,000)
Abba, Abba Gold, (770,000)
Madonna, The Immaculate Collection, (770,000)
Mariah Carey, Music Box, (770,000)
Pink Floyd, Dark Side Of The Moon, (770,000)
Soundtrack, Grease, (770,000)
Soundtrack, Saturday Night Fever, (770,000)

SWEDEN

Abba, Gold Greatest Hits, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Gyllene Tider, Halmstads Parlor, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Kent, Vapen & Ammunition, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Per Gessle, Mazarin, 5x platinum, (300,000)
Cornelis Vreeswijk, Guldkorn Fran Master Cees Memoarer, 4x platinum, (240,000)
Blandade Artister, Klassiska Favoriter Vol. 1, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Celine Dion, Let's Talk About Love, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Cher, Believe, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Dr Bombay, Rice & Curry, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Gyllene Tider, Finn Fem Fel, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Madonna, Ray Of Light, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Magnus Uggla, Klassiska Masterverk, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Marie Fredriksson, Antligen-Marie F Basta 1984-2000, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Markoolio, Dikter Fran Ett Hjarta, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Per Gessle, Mazarin, 3x platinum, (180,000)
Shania Twain, Come On Over, (180,000)
Tomas Ledin, Festen Har Borjat, 3x platinum, (180,000)

Argentina (Local & International)

Rosana - Lunas rotas (1,000,000)
Fito Paez - El amor despues del amor (700,000)
Shakira - Donde estan los ladrones (600,000)
Michael Jackson - Thriller (500,000)

Germany:

Before 1999, the Gold record was given for 250.000 and Platinum for 500.000.
Ever since, The german recording industry has downgraded Gold to 150.000 and Platinum to 300.000.

Collins, Phil, ...But Seriously PLATINUM x6 (3.000.000)
Beatles, 1 PLATINUM x5 (1.500.000)
Groneymeyer, Herbert, 4630 Bochum PLATINUM x5 (2.500.000)
Heintje, Heintje PLATINUM x5 (2.500.000)
Beatles, The Beatles 1962-1966 PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Bocelli, Andrea, Bocelli PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Chapman, Tracy, Tracy Chapman PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Genesis, We Can't Dance PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Jackson, Michael, Bad PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Jackson, Michael, Dangerous PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)

Pur, Abenteuerland PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Queen, Greatest Hits 2 PLATINUM x4 (2.000.000)
Ace Of Base, Happy Nation PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Beatles, The Beatles 1967-1970 PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Saturday Night Fever PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Collins, Phil, Face Value PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Collins, Phil, Both Sides PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Collins, Phil, Serious Hits...Live! PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Dion, Celine, Let's Talk About Love PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Dion, Celine, All The Way... A Decade Of Song PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Groneymeyer, Herbert, O PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Heintje, Weihnachten mit Heintje PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Houston, Whitney, The Bodyguard PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Jackson, Michael, Thriller PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Jackson, Michael, HIStory: Past, Present And Future, Book 1 PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)

Kelly Family, Over The Hump PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Madonna, Ray Of Light PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Muller-Westernhagen, Marius, Live PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Muller-Westernhagen, Marius, Affentheater PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Petry, Wolfgang, Alles PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Pink Floyd, The Wall PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Pur, Seiltanzertraum PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Queen, Greatest Hits 1 PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Ramazzotti, Eros, Eros PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Reim, Matthias, Reim PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Roxette, Joyride PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Rush, Jennifer, Movin' PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Simon & Garfunkel, Simon & Garfunkel's Greatest Hits PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Soundtrack, Dirty Dancing PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Soundtrack, Der Konig der Lowen PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)
Spears, Britney, Oops!...I Did It Again PLATINUM x3 (1.500.000)

Japan's international best selling albums:

Until 2001, here are the non-japanese albums that passed the million mark.

01 2.809.000 #1's Mariah Carey (98)
02 2.279.000 22 HITS OF THE CARPENTERS Carpenters (95)
03 2.203.000 DAYDREAM Mariah Carey (95)
04 2.083.000 MERRY CHIRISTMAS Mariah Carey (94)
05 1.882.000 BODY GUARD Soundtrack (92)
06 1.875.000 1 The Beatles (00)
07 1.613.000 THRILLER Michael Jackson (82)
08 1.589.000 MUSIC BOX Mariah Carey (93)
09 1.561.000 SCATMAN'S WORLD Scatman John (95)
10 1.418.000 TITANIC Soundtrack (97)
11 1.230.000 ALL THE WAY... A DECADE OF SONG Celine Dion (99)
12 1.150.000 CROSSROAD Bon Jovi (94)
13 1.066.000 FLASHDANCE Soundtrack (83)
14 1.031.000 LET'S TALK ABOUT LOVE Celine Dion (97)
15 1.025.000 BUTTERFLY Mariah Carey (97)

See, MJ is ubiquitous and Elvis is nowhere.
Michael doesn't only top Elvis on record sales but he's had greater chart runs than Elvis in most of these countries as well.
Plus, I'm not even counting his sales with the Jackson 5 and the Jacksons on it.
This is just a little example that in the international market Celine Dion is much bigger than Mariah Carey (sales).
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Postby Basil » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:37 pm

rikta wrote:
joao wrote:
rikta wrote:
joao wrote:
mjno1fan wrote:The best selling male artist is Michael Jackson & the Best Selling Female artist is Mariah Carey!
Michael Jackson sold 1/10 of what Elvis did.
And my mother is George Bush!
Okay, I exagerated, but Elvis obviously is the best selling male of all time. He sold more then 100,000,000 in the USA alone.
And Jackson outsold him otuside US!
I don't believe that for one moment.

However to concentrate on US sales for the moment and male solo artists

Singles Shipments audited by the riaa

Elvis - 52 million
Elton John - 25 million
Michael Jackson - 12.5 million

Albums Shipments audited by the riaa

Elvis - 98 million
Garth Brooks - 97.5 million
Elton John - 77.1 million (including Lion King)
Billy Joel - 66 million
Michael Jackson - 56 million

(only The Beatles have shipped more than 100m albums with 130,350,000 albums shipped)


Totals for audited Singles and Albums

Elvis - 157.5 million (including EP's)
Elton John - 102.1 million
Michael Jackson - 68.5 million

I hate combining album and singles sales normally, but the above figures at least illustrate a point.

Total Albums Sold in USA accounting for all uncertified sales
Elvis - 166 million
Garth brooks - 94 million
Elton John - 90 million
Frank Sinatra - 73 million
Billy Joel - 69 million
Kenny Rogers - 61 million
Michael Jackson - 61 million
George Strait - 60 million

Soundscan sales 1991-2005
Garth Brooks - 66 million
George Strait - 35 million
Kenny G - 34 million
Alan Jackson - 31.6 million
Tim McGraw - 30.5 million
Eminem - 28.6 million
Eric Clapton - 28.5 million
Dave Matthews - 26.5 million
2 Pac - 26 million
Elvis Presley - 24.5 million
Elton John - 24 million
Frank Sinatra - 21.8 million
Toby Keith - 21 million
....
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Michael Jackson - 17.8 million

The Beatles have scanned 53 million since 1991 even though they last released a new album in 1970.
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Postby rikta » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:51 pm

Basil wrote:
rikta wrote:
joao wrote:
rikta wrote:
joao wrote:
mjno1fan wrote:The best selling male artist is Michael Jackson & the Best Selling Female artist is Mariah Carey!
Michael Jackson sold 1/10 of what Elvis did.
And my mother is George Bush!
Okay, I exagerated, but Elvis obviously is the best selling male of all time. He sold more then 100,000,000 in the USA alone.
And Jackson outsold him otuside US!
Total Albums Sold in USA accounting for all uncertified sales
Elvis - 166 million
Garth brooks - 94 million
Elton John - 90 million
Frank Sinatra - 73 million
Billy Joel - 69 million
Kenny Rogers - 61 million
Michael Jackson - 61 million
George Strait - 60 million

These bets on sales are totally uncalled for. You assume Elvis sold 166 million ith all uncertified sales, I can assume Jackson has 200 million. By conclusion, only facts should vakidate what u want to prove.
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Postby rikta » Thu Sep 08, 2005 8:57 pm

In terms odf audited sales around the world, Michael Jackson has sold more records than Elvis Presley.
In 2003, The International Phonographic Industry recognised Michael Jackson as the best selling male artist of the millenium by a special attribution of a World Music Award for Male Artist Of The Millenium.Quite frankly, Basil, I rather believe an official organisation than you.
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Postby Herkenrath » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:01 pm

rikta wrote:These bets on sales are totally uncalled for. You assume Elvis sold 166 million ith all uncertified sales, I can assume Jackson has 200 million. By conclusion, only facts should vakidate what u want to prove.
You could assume that, but it would not make any sense. Look, Elvis has way over 400 albums released, most of them selling relatively small numbers (hence no RIAA certifications as you need to sell at least 500,000), but if all these lower sales are added up (assumed averaged sales of 100,000 per album), one gets some extra 40 million non-certified U.S. album sales for Elvis.

How many albums did Michael Jackson release in the U.S.? You just cannot assume millions of missing extra sales for Jackson as his catalog is way too small for too many "lost" sales.
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Postby Basil » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:19 pm

rikta wrote:These bets on sales are totally uncalled for. You assume Elvis sold 166 million ith all uncertified sales, I can assume Jackson has 200 million. By conclusion, only facts should vakidate what u want to prove.
First, please read the whole post. I have put audited sales, soundscan sales and estimates. They all tell the same story.

I haven't just "assumed" 166 million sales for Elvis. I have gone through all his 400 album releases and looked at release dates, certification dates, sales patterns, catalogue sales and soundscan data. Few people have the patience to do this. Mind you they are quite happy to rubbish the resulting figures if they don't "fit" their favourite artist. Above all I was conservative with the Elvis estimate, as I was for all the other artists.

Unlike many in this forum, I have no bias to any artist. I work at all the figures the same for each artist.

Unfortunately, too many in this forum have a hidden agenda for particular artists. They will only consider figures that puts their artist in the best possible light. Why?? What on earth has being fanatical about an artist to do with what they have sold? I would really like the answer to this question. This is a Chart Analysis Forum - NOT a "My artist is a better artist than yours" Forum. If you want one of those, ask for one to be set up.
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Postby Basil » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:27 pm

rikta wrote:In terms odf audited sales around the world, Michael Jackson has sold more records than Elvis Presley.
In 2003, The International Phonographic Industry recognised Michael Jackson as the best selling male artist of the millenium by a special attribution of a World Music Award for Male Artist Of The Millenium.Quite frankly, Basil, I rather believe an official organisation than you.
The IPI? Can you prove that this wasn't a fake award? You don't actually believe they audited any sales at all for this "award". They certainly didn't audit any sales whatever for Elvis, Elton John, Frank Sinatra, Rod Stewart. The British expression is "grasping at straws". If this award had been for Elvis or Sinatra, you would have rubbished it as "inconvenient"
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Postby Basil » Thu Sep 08, 2005 9:33 pm

Herkenrath wrote:
rikta wrote:These bets on sales are totally uncalled for. You assume Elvis sold 166 million ith all uncertified sales, I can assume Jackson has 200 million. By conclusion, only facts should vakidate what u want to prove.
You could assume that, but it would not make any sense. Look, Elvis has way over 400 albums released, most of them selling relatively small numbers (hence no RIAA certifications as you need to sell at least 500,000), but if all these lower sales are added up (assumed averaged sales of 100,000 per album), one gets some extra 40 million non-certified U.S. album sales for Elvis.

How many albums did Michael Jackson release in the U.S.? You just cannot assume millions of missing extra sales for Jackson as his catalog is way too small for too many "lost" sales.
Thank you for your commonsense Herkenrath. A breath of fresh air.

Your point is succinctly made and seems staggeringly obvious to me.
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Postby davedave » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:24 pm

Basil wrote:
rikta wrote:
joao wrote:
rikta wrote:
joao wrote:
mjno1fan wrote:The best selling male artist is Michael Jackson & the Best Selling Female artist is Mariah Carey!
Michael Jackson sold 1/10 of what Elvis did.
And my mother is George Bush!
Okay, I exagerated, but Elvis obviously is the best selling male of all time. He sold more then 100,000,000 in the USA alone.
And Jackson outsold him otuside US!
I don't believe that for one moment.

However to concentrate on US sales for the moment and male solo artists

Singles Shipments audited by the riaa

Elvis - 52 million
Elton John - 25 million
Michael Jackson - 12.5 million

Albums Shipments audited by the riaa

Elvis - 98 million
Garth Brooks - 97.5 million
Elton John - 77.1 million (including Lion King)
Billy Joel - 66 million
Michael Jackson - 56 million

(only The Beatles have shipped more than 100m albums with 130,350,000 albums shipped)

Totals for audited Singles and Albums

Elvis - 157.5 million (including EP's)
Elton John - 102.1 million
Michael Jackson - 68.5 million

I hate combining album and singles sales normally, but the above figures at least illustrate a point.

Total Albums Sold in USA accounting for all uncertified sales
Elvis - 166 million
Garth brooks - 94 million
Elton John - 90 million
Frank Sinatra - 73 million
Billy Joel - 69 million
Kenny Rogers - 61 million
Michael Jackson - 61 million
George Strait - 60 million

Soundscan sales 1991-2005
Garth Brooks - 66 million
George Strait - 35 million
Kenny G - 34 million
Alan Jackson - 31.6 million
Tim McGraw - 30.5 million
Eminem - 28.6 million
Eric Clapton - 28.5 million
Dave Matthews - 26.5 million
2 Pac - 26 million
Elvis Presley - 24.5 million
Elton John - 24 million
Frank Sinatra - 21.8 million
Toby Keith - 21 million
....
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Michael Jackson - 17.8 million

The Beatles have scanned 53 million since 1991 even though they last released a new album in 1970.
when you look at this list elton john is all over it but no one gives him any credit. he has big sales in the usa, uk and all over the world!
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Postby davedave » Thu Sep 08, 2005 10:48 pm

you know there people like mjno1fan,mydangerous,Only_McCartney (not trying to single you out) that you can see who there fav artist is... its in there name! so what ever you say there probably not gunna change there mind. if they want to say michael jackson is the biggest selling artist of all time then go ahead thats there opinon but you dont have to stress that in ever fricking post you make. my fav singer is elton john but i know he isnt the biggest selling singer of all time or the greatest but at least im man enough to say it.
if your fav artist is michael jackson or someone else then fine but at least be man enough to say that there are bigger selling artists than them. ppl out there have changed this great website from make debates about great things to just saying your fav singer is so and so and not listening to anyone else if they dont have the same opinon than you. so please be man enough to be able to say there are better artists out there then just michael jackson!

ps dont get me wrong i love mj
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Postby davedave » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:09 pm

i found a site saying bing cosby sold 900 million and elivs sold 1.1 billion.... heres what it said

However, for those interested in these numbers, here are the most accurate values I've been able to find:

................................................ELVIS PRESLEY................BING CROSBY

Total Record Sales.......................... .1.1 billion....................... 900 million


Greatest Single Song Sales..............310 million ........................45 million
..............................................(It's Now or Never)........... (White Christmas)

While most Elvis sites claim he's sold 1 billion records, I noticed that this number was reported in references dating as far back as 2001. I increased it to 1.1 billion to allow for his sales over the last 4 years.

The most commonly reported number for Bing's total record sales of 300 million songs sold (30 million for White Christmas alone) originated in 1963 and as such is out of date by 42 years. The only other study I found that quantifies his total sales was from 1977 by Steve Schoenherr (http://history.acusd.edu/gen/recording/derbingle.html), which credits him with total sales of 500 million and sales for White Christmas of 35 million. Extrapolating the differences in the '63 and '77 numbers to 2005, and assuming a constant sales rate equal the the '63 to '77 period, Bing's total sales add to 900 million. White Christmas totals 45 million by itself.

Two opposing factors effect these numbers. First, for some time after his death demand for his records soared. (MCA couldn't keep up with the demand and had to farm out work on the order of 1 million pressings per day to meet it.) This transient increase, which could add significantly to the total, was not included in the estimate. Second, the assumption of a constant sales rate may be over optimistic. It's likely that as he passed further from the public's memory his sales declined, which would reduce the estimate. The absolute effect of both influences is impossible to estimate. However, the fact that they effect it in opposite ways creates a balancing effect that cancels them out and makes the 900 million estimate reasonable, or at least in the ballpark. I will continue researching both Elvis' and Bing's grand totals and report them here when more accurate numbers are available.

Finally, Elvis' total sales figure is the combined total of his Rock and Roll, Gospel, and Country songs. The figure for Bing only reflect sales from the popular music scene (the equivalent in his time of Rock and Roll or modern popular music scene.) If I can find any reliable records for Bing's songs in other music venues, such as all of his many jazz recording during the 1930s, I will add them to his total.

personally i think its bull!
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Postby aez » Wed Sep 14, 2005 3:07 am

Dom88 wrote::wink: Sorry to bring her up again (her name is attached to every second thread in this forum) but Madonna can't possibly be in the top 5 over Mariah Carey...she is OFFICIALLY the highest selling female artist of all time. :lol: so she would deffinatley be above madonna.
OFFICIALLY??? :roll: Just go and chek the numbers around the world! Madonna and Celine Dion has sold more than Mariah!
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Postby MIGUEL » Wed Sep 14, 2005 2:19 pm

Spain

Queen Greatest hits II 500.000
R.E.M. Out of time 400.000

Argentina

Beatles Abbey Road 500.000
Queen Greatest hits II 500.000
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Postby aez » Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:47 am

davedave wrote:For Celeine:
In addition, Dion is the second (and last) female artist to receive the Diamond Award at the World Music Awards show. The award is given to artists who have sold 100 million albums or more. She received the award in September 2004.

According to her official website, the Diamond Award was given for her being "The Biggest Selling Female Artist of That year", for sales surpassing 175 million albums.
Celine (not Celeine), received the Diamond award being "The Biggest Selling Female Artist of All Time" not because she was the best selling artist of that year... many, mnay artists sold more than her in 2004.
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