US Billboard Charts (03/05/2008)

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Postby Vanacoring » Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:56 pm

MJDangerous wrote:
TiagoRodrigues wrote:I can see Usher and U2 ahead of her...and Coldplay...i was really surpsided at their sales last time :-?
Yes, they sold each over 700k with their last albums. That's why I'm sure Mariah will not be #2 of the year in this area (first week).

If she will be top 5 or not will depend on release schedule, if Eminem, Dre or Guns release really an album this year, they all may sell well over 500k in first week. Plus all Xmas big releases...
Yes, personally I'm sure Mariah will not be in the Top 5 first week of the year (but in the Top 10).
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Postby NothingFails » Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:14 pm

what does Madge have to do to hit #1? 200k+ digital sales used to guarantee a #1 position. Oh wait, America always has to be out of the loop and Madonna is supposed to be like Kylie where her US chart peaks are always the worst on the planet (X was top 20 literally everywhere else, and an embarassing #139 here), while Mariah always better here than everywhere else. Why can't they both vie for #1 like in the early 90's?

Madonna might be what scares US radio programmers more than anything, an artist over 40, but hasn't she shown the world she isn't going away by now?
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Postby thebigham » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:19 am

BILLBOARD HOT 100 - TOP 50
2 1 LIL WAYNE LOLLIPOP
1 2 LEWIS*LEONA BLEEDING LOVE - SINGLE
3 3 JORDIN SPARKS DUET NO AIR
4 4 USHER FEATURING YOU LOVE IN THIS CLUB
5 5 CAREY*MARIAH TOUCH MY BODY
7 6 MADONNA 4 MINUTES
6 7 RAY J FEAT. YUNG BERG SEXY CAN I
9 8 SARA BAREILLES LOVE SONG
8 9 CHRIS BROWN WITH YOU
11 10 MILEY CYRUS SEE YOU AGAIN
10 11 FLO RIDA LOW/JEALOUS
35 12 JOHN MAYER SAY
12 13 RIHANNA DON'T STOP THE MUSIC (JODY DEN
20 14 DANITY KANE DAMAGED
13 15 ONEREPUBLIC STOP AND STARE
25 16 NATASHA BEDINGFIELD POCKETFUL OF SUNSHINE
21 17 ROSS*RICK BOSS
14 18 TIMBALAND/ONEREPUBLIC APOLOGIZE - SINGLE
17 19 WEBBIE, LIL' PHAT & INDEPENDENT
19 20 BUCKCHERRY SORRY
15 21 KEYS*ALICIA NO ONE
16 22 FIASCO*LUPE SUPERSTAR
-- 23 MARIAH CAREY BYE BYE
22 24 TRACE ADKINS YOU'RE GONNA MISS THIS
23 25 FLO RIDA FEATURING ELEVATOR

24 26 DAUGHTRY FEELS LIKE TONIGHT
26 27 2 PISTOLS FEATURING SHE GOT IT
28 28 TAYLOR SWIFT OUR SONG
36 29 TAYLOR SWIFT PICTURE TO BURN
30 30 JAMES OTTO JUST GOT STARTED LOVIN' YOU
33 31 COLBY O'DONIS FEATU WHAT YOU GOT
38 32 PLIES FEATURING NE- BUST IT BABY (PART 2)
34 33 GEORGE STRAIT I SAW GOD TODAY
42 34 COLBIE CAILLAT REALIZE
39 35 LIFEHOUSE WHATEVER IT TAKES
37 36 CAILLAT*COLBIE BUBBLY - SINGLE
31 37 FINGER ELEVEN PARALYZER
29 38 TAYLOR SWIFT TEARDROPS ON MY GUITAR
40 39 CHERISH KILLA FEAT. YUNG JOC
81 40 NELLY FEATURING FER PARTY PEOPLE
54 41 BRAD PAISLEY I'M STILL A GUY
32 42 JORDIN SPARKS TATTOO
18 43 DAUGHTRY WHAT ABOUT NOW
53 44 ASHANTI THE WAY THAT I LOVE YOU
41 45 ALICIA KEYS LIKE YOU'LL NEVER SEE ME AGAIN
46 46 BRITNEY SPEARS BREAK THE ICE
44 47 SEAN KINGSTON TAKE YOU THERE
61 48 3 DOORS DOWN IT'S NOT MY TIME
48 49 J. HOLIDAY SUFFOCATE
49 50 KEYSHIA COLE I REMEMBER

INTERESTING MOVES & DEBUTS
74 55 METRO STATION SHAKE IT
67 56 GAVIN DEGRAW IN LOVE WITH A GIRL
75 65 CARRIE UNDERWOOD LAST NAME
97 79 RIHANNA TAKE A BOW
-- 92 MARIAH CAREY FEATUR MIGRATE
-- 93 JASON MRAZ I'M YOURS
27 94 CARRIE UNDERWOOD PRAYING FOR TIME
-- 95 NE-YO CLOSER
-- 97 SEETHER RISE ABOVE THIS
-- 98 ESTELLE AMERICAN BOY
-- 99 CHRIS BROWN TAKE YOU DOWN
-- 100 DEATH CAB FOR CUTIE I WILL POSSESS YOUR HEART

BUBBLING UNDER
24 2 JESSE MCCARTNEY LEAVIN'
-- 16 DUFFY MERCY

R&B 100
1 1 USHER FEATURING YOU LOVE IN THIS CLUB
2 2 CAREY*MARIAH TOUCH MY BODY
3 3 LIL WAYNE LOLLIPOP
5 4 RAY J FEAT. YUNG BERG SEXY CAN I
4 5 KEYSHIA COLE I REMEMBER
8 6 ASHANTI THE WAY THAT I LOVE YOU
12 8 JORDIN SPARKS DUET NO AIR
33 25 CHRIS BROWN TAKE YOU DOWN
61 38 KEYSHIA COLE HEAVEN SENT
60 43 ALICIA KEYS TEENAGE LOVE AFFAIR
66 59 NE-YO CLOSER
84 68 NELLY FEATURING FER PARTY PEOPLE
86 71 JANET LUV
-- 92 MARIAH CAREY BYE BYE
-- 95 MARIAH CAREY FEATUR MIGRATE
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Postby ali3_dat » Thu Apr 24, 2008 2:52 am

wow, extremely shocked with lollipop

damaged is @ 14 now... it has a chance to be a top 10 hit :D
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Postby lpaj89 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 3:48 am

ali3_dat wrote:wow, extremely shocked with lollipop

damaged is @ 14 now... it has a chance to be a top 10 hit :D
Same here. Would have never in a million years predicted that it would top the Hot 100. I didn't think Lil Wayne was commercially capable, especially without a big star to help him, but I was proven wrong. Personally I'm really happy, as far as modern rappers, I think Lil Wayne is one of the better ones out there, even if Lollipop isn't one of my favorite songs of his.
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Postby Blizzy » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:06 am

YAY Mariah is 3 times in the Billboard Hot 100

CCEELLLEEBBRATIONNNNNNNNNnnn... :wink:
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Postby Fresh » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:36 am

COMPLETE CHARTS

The Billboard Hot 100

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Postby AutomaticBR » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:44 am

full Hot 100 added
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Postby tada » Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:45 am

thank you guys for all these charts :P
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Postby jszmiles » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:43 am

AutomaticBR wrote:100 NE 1 100 I Will Possess Your Heart, Death Cab For Cutie
Its a RE-ENTRY :wink:
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Postby JoelFeatMV » Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:50 am

John Mayer's "Say", is officialy the biggest hit of his career. Who would've thought!
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Postby irishguy28 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:40 am

MJDangerous wrote:
irishguy28 wrote:In that context, the ratio of physical:digital is of little interest.

It is useless to say that the digital sector is increasing by X% when the total market continues to decline.
It is not, since that's what will say us when the market will stop this decline. I would like to know how much of the 7,5m albums sold are digital. We can't ignore which will save the album market.
But we already have the information needed to know when the market may stop its decline - the market info based on the total market size, ie the info in the format that is currently reported.

You seem to be of the opinion that there's a golden X% which, when reached by digital sales, means the market is growing again.

If we express the ratio of digital to physical sales as a percentage, this of itself can never tell us when the total market size has increased or not - it just tells us the ratio of sales, with no info on the amount of sales. For instance, it could be 2000% (20 digital sales for each physical sale) in a week where just 21 albums were sold - a tiny market!

If we express the amount of digital sales as a percentage of total sales, this can also never tell us when the total market size has increased or not. That figure can reach 100%, but says nothing about whether the underlying market keeps declining or not. For instance, using the same figures, in a week where only 21 albums were sold - of which all 21 were digital - digital has 100% share (in a market that has declined). But it's impossible to tell from a percentage whether the total sales this week increased on last week, or on last year, regardless of whether the percentage has increased, dropped, or stayed the same.

I hope I have now clarified for you how the weekly ratio of physical:digital can never tell you anything about the actual total sale, and can therefore never be cited as an indicator of "recovery" in the total market.
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Postby dwv » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:07 am

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Billboard 200

1 CAREY*MARIAH E=MC2 462,971 1,214 999 464,212
2 LEWIS*LEONA SPIRIT 94,842 204,841 -54 300,232
3 MONTANA*HANNAH/CYRUS*MILEY BEST OF BOTH WORLDS CONCERT 47,297 18,057 162 191,268
4 LADY ANTEBELLUM LADY ANTEBELLUM 43,384 41 999 43,425
5 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC VOL. 27-NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL 38,960 47,000 -17 551,937
6 STRAIT*GEORGE TROUBADOUR 38,171 59,000 -35 263,780
7 ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS SOUNDTRACK 31,683 39,646 -20 623,078
8 JUNO SOUNDTRACK 31,285 11,936 162 642,797
9 R.E.M. ACCELERATE 29,985 46,326 -35 192,449
10 SWIFT*TAYLOR TAYLOR SWIFT 29,741 26,219 13 2,815,673
11 ROSS*RICK TRILLA 26,735 34,239 -22 443,114
12 OTTO*JAMES SUNSET MAN 25,819 57,585 -55 83,525
13 JOHNSON*JACK SLEEP THROUGH THE STATIC 25,369 25,754 -1 1,057,393
14 DANITY KANE WELCOME TO THE DOLLHOUSE 22,939 27,662 -17 422,309
15 DAUGHTRY DAUGHTRY 22,655 24,705 -8 3,989,136
16 SPARKS*JORDIN JORDIN SPARKS 22,645 24,295 -7 677,856
17 THRICE VOL. 3-4-ALCHEMY INDEX 21,424 30 999 21,755
18 RUSH SNAKES & ARROWS LIVE 20,936 129 999 21,065
19 BAREILLES*SARA LITTLE VOICE 20,253 21,025 -4 674,536
20 GNARLS BARKLEY ODD COUPLE 19,781 18,311 8 121,153
21 DAY 26 DAY 26 19,567 23,881 -18 284,587
22 CHILDREN OF BODOM BLOODDRUNK 19,282 61 999 19,869
23 NAKED BROTHERS BAND I DON'T WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL 19,036 37 999 19,075
24 JONAS BROTHERS JONAS BROTHERS 19,014 20,044 -5 1,215,470
25 PANIC AT THE DISCO PRETTY ODD 18,474 27,263 -32 221,945
26 CAILLAT*COLBIE COCO 18,206 17,595 3 1,490,383
27 PRETTYMAN*TRISTAN HELLO 18,198 84 999 18,291
28 RACONTEURS CONSOLERS OF THE LONELY 17,617 23,324 -24 108,280
29 COUNTING CROWS SATURDAY NIGHTS & SUNDAY MORNI 17,351 23,418 -26 190,771
30 KEYS*ALICIA AS I AM 17,128 18,895 -9 3,399,335
31 FLO RIDA MAIL ON SUNDAY 16,894 20,997 -20 185,614
32 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE CARNIVAL RIDE 16,835 17,420 -3 2,028,494
33 JACKSON*ALAN GOOD TIME 16,780 18,448 -9 296,261
34 HANNAH MONTANA 2: MEET MILEY C SOUNDTRACK 15,623 18,691 -16 2,992,048
35 RAY J ALL I FEEL 15,477 38,816 -60 54,656
36 BLIGE*MARY J. GROWING PAINS 14,491 14,021 3 1,421,929
37 SNOOP DOGG EGO TRIPPIN' 14,122 18,077 -22 278,055
38 BROWN*CHRIS EXCLUSIVE 14,084 15,444 -9 1,476,360
39 WINEHOUSE*AMY BACK TO BLACK 13,939 16,053 -13 1,893,382
40 COLE*KEYSHIA JUST LIKE YOU 13,767 12,994 6 1,345,031
41 KOOKS KONK 13,310 25 999 13,335
42 TRINA STILL DA BADDEST 13,194 18,231 -28 78,228
43 LINKIN PARK MINUTES TO MIDNIGHT 13,083 11,665 12 2,361,519
44 P.O.D. WHEN ANGELS AND SERPENTS DANCE 12,797 33,582 -62 42,385
45 DARK LOTUS OPAQUE BROTHERHOOD 12,086 87 999 12,174
46 BUBLE*MICHAEL CALL ME IRRESPONSIBLE 12,037 10,214 18 1,501,774
47 SUGARLAND ENJOY THE RIDE 12,035 10,397 16 2,192,184
48 ADKINS*TRACE AMERICAN MAN GREATEST HITS... 12,017 11,522 4 325,085
49 NINE INCH NAILS GHOSTS I-IV 11,749 25,807 -54 50,019
50 BROOKS*GARTH ULTIMATE HITS 11,532 12,234 -6 1,703,975
51 ONEREPUBLIC DREAMING OUT LOUD 11,386 13,624 -16 585,239
52 MRAZ*JASON WE DANCE EP 11,349 0 11,349
53 BUCKCHERRY 15 11,232 11,588 -3 1,162,632
54 PLANT/KRAUSS RAISING SAND 11,051 11,326 -2 928,260
55 BLACK KEYS ATTACK & RELEASE 10,974 13,697 -20 53,948
56 IGLESIAS*ENRIQUE 95/08 EXITOS 10,851 12,201 -11 61,258
57 ROLLING STONES SHINE A LIGHT 10,764 16,924 -36 64,805
58 JACKSON*JANET DISCIPLINE 10,735 10,179 5 361,038
59 APOCALYPTICA WORLDS COLLIDE 10,596 79 999 10,678
60 KID ROCK ROCK N ROLL JESUS 10,357 10,203 2 853,571
61 CHESNEY*KENNY JUST WHO I AM: POETS & PIRATES 10,345 9,275 12 1,199,399
62 FERGIE DUTCHESS 10,317 10,094 2 3,572,602
63 RASCAL FLATTS STILL FEELS GOOD 10,243 9,178 12 1,886,501
64 MORRISON*VAN KEEP IT SIMPLE 10,237 15,168 -33 62,820
65 RIHANNA GOOD GIRL GONE BAD 10,217 10,266 0 1,174,419
66 EAGLES LONG ROAD OUT OF EDEN 10,208 10,864 -6 2,931,019
67 PAISLEY*BRAD 5TH GEAR 10,201 9,566 7 968,361
68 PARAMORE RIOT! 9,987 11,445 -13 854,492
69 UNDERWOOD*CARRIE SOME HEARTS 9,854 10,767 -8 6,383,764
70 ACROSS THE UNIVERSE (DLX) SOUNDTRACK 9,849 11,324 -13 471,522
71 NICKELBACK ALL THE RIGHT REASONS 9,789 10,028 -2 6,736,276
72 BADU*ERYKAH NEW AMERYKAH PART ONE (4TH WOR 9,372 9,897 -5 268,690
73 ASIA PHOENIX 9,314 29 999 9,343
74 THE-DREAM LOVEHATE 9,221 9,646 -4 345,734
75 VAMPIRE WEEKEND VAMPIRE WEEKEND 9,185 8,453 9 183,717
76 ONCE SOUNDTRACK 8,851 9,285 -5 534,829
77 FLEX TE QUIERO 8,836 8,078 9 99,416
78 AUGUST RUSH SOUNDTRACK 8,828 10,710 -18 191,591
79 VARIOUS SONGS OF THE SIREN 8,764 38 999 8,802
80 FIASCO*LUPE LUPE FIASCO'S THE COOL 8,735 9,265 -6 459,098
80 RADIOHEAD IN RAINBOWS 8,735 9,323 -6 476,300
82 SAPP*MARVIN THIRSTY 8,496 8,990 -5 253,463
83 THREE DAYS GRACE ONE-X 8,345 8,929 -7 1,184,041
84 MAROON 5 IT WON'T BE SOON BEFORE LONG 8,261 8,161 1 1,789,762
85 DEVAUGHN*RAHEEM LOVE BEHIND THE MELODY 8,246 8,032 3 181,308
86 BEDINGFIELD*NATASHA POCKETFUL OF SUNSHINE 8,056 7,077 14 176,464
87 FERNANDEZ*VICENTE PARA SIEMPRE VICENTE FERNANDEZ 7,845 5,117 53 166,959
88 CROW*SHERYL DETOURS 7,714 10,658 -28 294,490
89 VEDDER*EDDIE MUSIC FOR THE MOTION PICTURE I 7,699 8,922 -14 321,994
90 VARIOUS ARTISTS 80'S: NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL M 7,638 9,223 -17 106,454
91 VARIOUS NOW 26 7,516 8,267 -9 1,626,996
92 SEETHER FINDING BEAUTY IN NEGATIVE SPA 7,508 7,792 -4 392,046
93 FLYLEAF FLYLEAF 7,459 8,000 -7 995,030
94 WINANS*CECE THY KINGDOM COME 7,286 7,787 -6 20,880
95 THEORY OF A DEADMAN SCARS & SOUVENIRS 7,218 9,132 -21 38,341
96 VOEGELE*KATE DON'T LOOK AWAY 7,091 5,973 19 139,090
97 B-52'S FUNPLEX 6,994 9,314 -25 59,890
98 SWEENY TODD THE DEMON BARBER O SOUNDTRACK 6,773 8,495 -20 264,137
99 PUDDLE OF MUDD FAMOUS 6,771 7,165 -5 218,772
100 MCGRAW*TIM LET IT GO 6,728 6,143 10 1,366,443
101 MAYER*JOHN CONTINUUM 6,711 5,848 15 2,107,583
102 MOBY LAST NIGHT 6,699 10,583 -37 38,548
103 WOW HITS WOW HITS 1 6,688 5,763 16 6,630
104 CLARK-COLE*DORINDA TAKE IT BACK 6,615 230 999 5,771
105 LED ZEPPELIN MOTHERSHIP 6,538 7,002 -7 858,242
106 SPEARS*BRITNEY BLACKOUT 6,383 7,206 -11 830,921
107 M83 SATURDAYS=YOUTH 6,295 24 999 6,319
108 ENCHANTED SOUNDTRACK 6,290 7,550 -17 274,828
109 SOULJA BOY TELL'EM SOULJABOYTELLEM.COM 6,108 6,822 -10 879,764
110 MARIO GO! 6,093 5,437 12 278,227
111 WEBBIE VOL. 2-SAVAGE LIFE 6,091 7,516 -19 165,985
112 RADIO DISNEY VOL. 10-KIDS JAMS 5,998 6,618 -9 187,746
113 ASHES DIVIDE KEEP TELLING MYSELF IT'S ALRIG 5,978 15,784 -62 21,826
114 WEST*KANYE GRADUATION 5,965 5,724 4 2,081,696
115 CASTING CROWNS ALTAR & THE DOOR 5,864 6,239 -6 293,259
116 LIFEHOUSE WHO WE ARE 5,798 6,601 -12 391,895
117 SIMON & GARFUNKEL LIVE 1969 5,781 12,746 -55 47,704
118 DIGBY*MARIE UNFOLD 5,742 18,141 -68 23,914
119 PHANTOM PLANET RAISE THE DEAD 5,735 69 999 5,804
120 SHAWTY LO UNITS IN THE CITY 5,678 5,959 -5 90,471
121 LAMBERT*MIRANDA CRAZY EX-GIRLFRIEND 5,671 5,880 -4 389,260
122 JAHEIM MAKINGS OF A MAN 5,664 6,308 -10 463,668
123 GAITHER VOCAL BAND LOVIN' LIFE 5,563 92 999 1,813
124 FINGER ELEVEN THEM VS. YOU VS. ME 5,535 5,420 2 527,183
125 CAVE*NICK & THE BAD SEEDS DIG LAZARUS DIG!!! 5,481 10,070 -46 15,715
126 VARIOUS WOW GOSPEL 2008 5,473 5,718 -4 99,793
127 SHE & HIM VOLUME ONE 5,456 4,981 10 36,812
128 SEVENDUST CHAPTER 7: HOPE & SORROW 5,436 7,994 -32 38,403
129 IN FLAMES A SENSE OF PURPOSE 5,428 8,043 -33 33,886
130 MICHAEL*GEORGE TWENTY-FIVE (2CD) 5,375 7,434 -28 35,545
131 HANNAH MONTANA SOUNDTRACK 5,326 6,530 -18 3,540,576
132 SIXX:A.M. HEROIN DIARIES SOUNDTRACK 5,310 4,723 12 195,050
133 ROCKO SELF-MADE 5,282 6,450 -18 57,603
134 PUNK GOES CRUNK PUNK GOES CRUNK 5,233 8,057 -35 13,320
135 GABRIEL*JUAN & ANA LOS GABRIEL...CANTAN A MEXICO 5,183 4,889 6 21,509
136 MCMURTRY*JAMES JUST US KIDS 5,173 63 999 5,239
137 BOCELLI*ANDREA VIVERE LIVE IN TUSCANY 5,114 5,232 -2 137,083
138 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 2 SOUNDTRACK 5,110 5,413 -6 3,178,454
139 URBAN*KEITH GREATEST HITS 5,077 4,836 5 523,299
140 FOO FIGHTERS ECHOES SILENCE PATIENCE & GRAC 5,072 5,473 -7 715,584
141 HANNAH MONTANA 2-NON-STOP DANC SOUNDTRACK 5,063 6,040 -16 187,568
142 ACROSS THE UNIVERSE SOUNDTRACK 5,029 5,818 -14 279,915
143 MGMT ORACULAR SPECTACULAR 4,999 4,762 5 58,664
144 BLACK CROWES WARPAINT 4,854 5,072 -4 102,806
145 JAY-Z AMERICAN GANGSTER 4,827 5,624 -14 1,060,769
146 GRACIN*JOSH WE WEREN'T CRAZY 4,694 7,452 -37 30,292
147 HAWK NELSON HAWK NELSON IS MY FRIEND 4,674 5,583 -16 13,207
148 TURNER*JOSH EVERYTHING IS FINE 4,639 4,721 -2 452,139
149 AVENGED SEVENFOLD AVENGED SEVENFOLD 4,629 4,906 -6 350,968
150 J. HOLIDAY BACK OF MY LAC' 4,589 5,224 -12 602,642
151 MCENTIRE*REBA REBA DUETS 4,567 4,496 2 1,347,296
152 WOW HITS WOW HITS 2008 4,515 4,454 1 160,496
153 GAITHER*BILL & GLORIA ROCK OF AGES 4,514 14 999 541
154 FLOGGING MOLLY FLOAT 4,466 4,780 -7 111,458
155 SOLIS*MARCO ANTONIO LA MEJOR COLECCION 4,432 4,347 2 248,324
156 MATCHBOX TWENTY EXILE ON MAINSTREAM 4,382 4,516 -3 639,967
157 DION*CELINE TAKING CHANCES 4,364 4,927 -11 969,954
158 SOUNDTRACKS STEP UP 2: THE STREETS 4,326 5,289 -18 235,130
159 KIDZ BOP KIDS KIDZ BOP 13 4,276 5,008 -15 167,490
160 NAIM*YAEL YAEL NAIM 4,256 5,556 -23 68,005
161 SANTANA ULTIMATE SANTANA 4,253 4,568 -7 370,438
162 MORRISON*VAN STILL ON TOP-GREATEST HITS 4,220 4,604 -8 177,086
163 HILLSONG UNITED I HEART REVOLUTION: WITH HEART 4,206 4,866 -14 8,918
164 ATKINS*RODNEY IF YOU'RE GOING THROUGH HELL 4,171 4,569 -9 1,287,173
165 CELTIC THUNDER CELTIC THUNDER THE SHOW 4,152 4,921 -16 40,620
166 WORTH DYING FOR WORTH DYING FOR 4,133 14 999 564
167 CUT COPY IN GHOST COLOURS 4,120 3,070 34 10,832
168 MUSE H.A.A.R.P. TOUR-LIVE FROM WEMB 4,119 5,794 -29 24,222
169 FRANKLIN*KIRK FIGHT OF MY LIFE 4,111 4,490 -8 243,009
170 THRIVEMIX PRESENTS DANCE ANTHE VOL. 2-THRIVEMIX PRESENTS DANC 4,092 4,700 -13 8,881
171 VARIOUS VINTAGE COUNTRY:GOLDEN AGE 4,087 8,215 -50 31,505
172 BULLET FOR MY VALENTINE SCREAM AIM FIRE 4,069 4,545 -10 164,501
173 MERCYME ALL THAT IS WITHIN ME 4,057 3,376 20 112,702
174 BRENT*TEDDY FASHIONABLE 4,042 3,640 11 27,999
175 CAMILA TODO CAMBIO 3,993 4,168 -4 290,835
176 SWORD GODS OF THE EARTH 3,965 4,882 -19 16,419
177 GODSMACK GOOD TIMES BAD TIMES: TEN YEAR 3,960 4,356 -9 223,207
178 RIMES*LEANN FAMILY 3,954 3,229 22 330,423
179 ALLAN*GARY LIVING HARD 3,932 4,047 -3 331,470
180 WWE VOL. 8-WWE THE MUSIC 3,889 5,897 -34 37,146
181 BREEDERS MOUNTAIN BATTLES 3,826 7,205 -47 11,153
182 BON JOVI LOST HIGHWAY 3,791 3,667 3 1,145,845
183 SIMPLE PLAN SIMPLE PLAN 3,788 3,211 18 98,039
184 PARTON*DOLLY BACKWOODS BARBIE 3,786 5,620 -33 86,724
185 WE THE KINGS WE THE KINGS 3,785 4,363 -13 65,784
186 LEDISI LOST & FOUND 3,752 3,185 18 134,396
187 MUNIZZI*MARTHA CHANGE THE WORLD 3,747 3,891 -4 5,058
188 STRAIT*GEORGE 22 MORE HITS 3,725 4,457 -16 462,954
189 HANCOCK*HERBIE RIVER: JONI LETTERS 3,664 4,474 -18 213,365
190 MORGAN*CRAIG LITTLE BIT OF LIFE 3,629 4,126 -12 358,997
191 SHEEK LOUCH SILVERBACK GORILLA 3,553 5,435 -35 40,667
192 WISIN Y YANDEL WISIN VS YANDEL 'LOS EXTRATERR 3,501 3,569 -2 231,960
193 CAGLE*CHRIS MY LIFE'S BEEN A COUNTRY SONG 3,498 4,099 -15 93,887
194 FIVE FINGER DEATH PUNCH WAY OF THE FIST 3,475 3,359 3 109,775
195 BLUNT*JAMES ALL THE LOST SOULS 3,430 1,662 106 401,287
196 BOCELLI*ANDREA BEST OF ANDREA BOCELLI-VIVERE 3,418 3,575 -4 641,526
197 BUZZCUTS BUZZCUTS 3,409 3,950 -14 30,068
198 BEATLES LOVE 3,397 3,794 -10 1,735,563
199 GRANT*NATALIE RELENTLESS 3,369 2,826 19 20,757
200 MCDONALD*MICHAEL SOUL SPEAK 3,346 3,944 -15 72,458
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Postby MJDangerous » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:19 am

irishguy28 wrote:But we already have the information needed to know when the market may stop its decline - the market info based on the total market size, ie the info in the format that is currently reported.

You seem to be of the opinion that there's a golden X% which, when reached by digital sales, means the market is growing again.

If we express the ratio of digital to physical sales as a percentage, this of itself can never tell us when the total market size has increased or not - it just tells us the ratio of sales, with no info on the amount of sales. For instance, it could be 2000% (20 digital sales for each physical sale) in a week where just 21 albums were sold - a tiny market!

If we express the amount of digital sales as a percentage of total sales, this can also never tell us when the total market size has increased or not. That figure can reach 100%, but says nothing about whether the underlying market keeps declining or not. For instance, using the same figures, in a week where only 21 albums were sold - of which all 21 were digital - digital has 100% share (in a market that has declined). But it's impossible to tell from a percentage whether the total sales this week increased on last week, or on last year, regardless of whether the percentage has increased, dropped, or stayed the same.

I hope I have now clarified for you how the weekly ratio of physical:digital can never tell you anything about the actual total sale, and can therefore never be cited as an indicator of "recovery" in the total market.
I know all this, but you don't get my point. Do you remember MW giving the share of both each week ? This was like "this week physicals sold 1,5m copies, downloads 600k" and so on. Which is important, is not the share on itself, but its increase, that's not a "golden X%", but the moment in which digital album sales will truly take off. The % of the market done by digital albums is certainly increasing slowly, for example 9% six months ago, 10% now. Even if all the market as a whole is down 10%, we don't know if physicals are down 15% and digitals up 25%, or if physicals are down 40% and digitals up 70%, the result on the market is the same, but that's a totaly different story.

More quickly physicals are dropping / digitals climbing, more quickly the trend will be reversed, because physicals will be quickly pretty and then, even -30% in a year will be easily fill by the increase of downloads.

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Postby irishguy28 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:37 am

^I really doubt the digital album will ever take over as a replacement for the CD album.

Downloading tends to be done more as a track-by-track activity, so even if a person eventually ends up with all the tracks on an album, they will have been downloaded as "singles".

Digital albums sales are unlikely to ever come up to the levels of physical product in the past. Downloading is not just killing off physical product, but is eating into the concept of an "album", too.

These details from IFPI concerning 2007:

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That shows that in 2007, 105 million fewer CDs were sold, compared to an increase in digital album sales of about 16 million on the previous year.

Assuming growth again of approx 50% in 2008, that would lead to 75m digital albums, or just under 1.5 million per week.
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Postby MJDangerous » Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:47 am

irishguy28 wrote:^I really doubt the digital album will ever take over as a replacement for the CD album.

Downloading tends to be done more as a track-by-track activity, so even if a person eventually ends up with all the tracks on an album, they will have been downloaded as "singles".

Digital albums sales are unlikely to ever come up to the levels of physical product in the past.

These details from IFPI concerning 2007:

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That shows that in 2007, 105 million fewer CDs were sold, a figure that is over twice the number of digital albums sold that year.

Assuming growth again of approx 50% in 2008, that would lead to 75m digital albums, or just under 1.5 million per week.
I'm sure that downloads will replace physicals in albums too :wink:

Thanks for the figures, just think that if the % of increase for digital and decrease for physicals remains steady we will have :

2008
> (physical) 450m - 20% = 340m
> (digital) 50m + 50% = 75m
>> (total) 500m ..... = 415m >> A drop of 85m, or 17% (actualy it is dropping by 11%, so downloads should be taken off faster now)

2009
> (physical) 340m - 20% = 275m
> (digital) 75m + 50% = 110m
>> (total) 415m ..... = 385m >> A drop of 30m only

2010
> (physical) 275m - 20% = 220m
> (digital) 110m + 50% = 165m
>> (total) 385m ..... = 385m >> steady sales !

2011
> (physical) 220m - 20% = 175m
> (digital) 165m + 50% = 245m
>> (total) 385m ..... = 420m >> the market will increase again :)

And I'm really sure it will happen even sooner 8-)
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Postby irishguy28 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:12 am

MJDangerous wrote:Thanks for the figures, just think that if the % of increase for digital and decrease for physicals remains steady we will have :

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2011
> (physical) 220m - 20% = 175m
> (digital) 165m + 50% = 245m
>> (total) 385m ..... = 420m >> the market will increase again :)

And I'm really sure it will happen even sooner 8-)
While your interpolations are interesting, I think they are flawed...while the digital albums sector continues to grow, the year-on-year growth rate has decreased (fairly dramatically) each year in the US since they were first tracked in H2 2003:

2006:
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2005:
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2004:
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Rate of increase in digital albums market:

2004: first full year figures (5.5 million)
2005: +193% (16 million)
2006: +103% (32.5 million - working back from reported growth in 2007)
2007: +54% (50 million)

If I was to draw any conclusions from the IFPI published figures, I'd figure instead that the rate of growth in digital album sales will roughly half each year in the foreseeable future, as it has done in the period 2004-2007.
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Postby android » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:15 am

:D Thanks to ABR and all the good people who have posted charts and sales.
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Postby MJDangerous » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:21 am

irishguy28 wrote:
MJDangerous wrote:Thanks for the figures, just think that if the % of increase for digital and decrease for physicals remains steady we will have :

...

2011
> (physical) 220m - 20% = 175m
> (digital) 165m + 50% = 245m
>> (total) 385m ..... = 420m >> the market will increase again :)

And I'm really sure it will happen even sooner 8-)
While interesting, I think it's flawed...the year-on-year growth in digital albums has decreased (fairly dramatically) each year in the US since they were first tracked in H2 2003
I know, but that's normal. They take off from nothing, so for sure the % of increase was massive in 2005/2006. In most, majors have not decide to put their money on digital albums yet, when they will start to try to sell them, they will do it. Right now, when you download an album, you have only files of each track, people still preferring physicals with the pack, the cover, the little book etc. If they start to add some gifts to digital version of albums, like Maroon 5 have done if I remember well (and they sold 100k on downloads within' a week), like printable version of the cover, txt files with lyrics, the video of the first single or a video 'making of the album' for example, I'm truly sure digital album sales will quickly replace physical album sales.

The most important, is that the % of increase of downloads still bigger than the % of decrease of physicals, since when both markets will have about the same share, this % will make the difference.
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Postby irishguy28 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 9:47 am

MJDangerous wrote:The most important, is that the % of increase of downloads still bigger than the % of decrease of physicals, since when both markets will have about the same share, this % will make the difference.
That is true for now, but it would have to be. Even a small numerical increase on a small base (case of downloads) leads to a large percentage increase. But as I showed in an earlier post, the number of extra digital sales is FAR LESS than the drop in physical sales.

Regardless of how more attractive digital albums may become in the future, the fact is that once you move to a download market, many more people will be content to download only some individual tracks - rather than the entire album - so digital album sales will never completely take over from physical album sales. By that I mean - the people who previously bought CDs now have a choice - buy a CD, buy a digital album, or buy some of the tracks digitally.

As the single-track digital download is more mature, and much larger than the digital album market, a lot of people are obviously choosing this route instead of sticking with albums.

In fact, I think this trend will accelerate. There's a whole generation of kids in the US who never grew up with physical singles, and the album-buyer tends to have an older profile. Downloading is still seen as a "younger" activity - and younger downloaders are probably more like to download a 79c single track than splurge out for a whole album.
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Postby MJDangerous » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:00 am

Yes that's right, I do not think that digital albums will be as successful as digital tracks too. But I'm pretty much sure digital albums will replace physical albums.

If you check singles downloads, they are like 3/4 times bigger than physicals were when they were always active. They replaced physicals + they exploded the market by 300%. So even if digital albums are only 25% as attractive as digital tracks, it will be suffisant to replace completely the album market.

About kids etc.. We have also to see that all 15-25 years old people which are downloading tracks like crazy will start download albums in the near future, when they will start to get a bit older.

I'm really confident about the album market of the future 8-)
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Postby irishguy28 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 10:08 am

Well, I don't doubt that the music industry has a future either.

It's just that now that the demarcation between singles and albums has been pretty much removed, by making single track downloads available, it's far more compelling to pick individual tracks. While I grew up with the habit of buying singles widely, and albums with more care - and am unlikely to ever abandon the practice of buying albums, particularly of those artists of whom I maintain a full discography - there are new generations growing up that will see single track downloads as the norm in 99% of cases.

In the UK, downloads now account for well over 90% of the "singles" market, due to the huge availability of tracks as individual downloads (compared to the, say, maximum of a few hundred titles on offer as physical singles in the megastores, or a range of maybe less than 50 available in smaller shops). But that "singles" market isn't really a singles market - it contains a lot of "leaked" album tracks that never were and never will be "singles" in the old meaning of the word. Album sales are therefore lost to the world of "singles".

Unless, as you say, digital albums are beefed up, made much more attractive in terms of content, extras and price, then I see a long-term continuation in the decline/erosion of the "albums" market in favour of "singles".
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Postby NoAngels » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:21 am

I expect 4 Minutes to top the Hot 100 next week.
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Postby irishguy28 » Thu Apr 24, 2008 11:42 am

I would be really surprised if 4 Minutes tops the Hot 100 next week. There may be a boost in chart points on the following week, when the physical formats are available, but I don't think any increase in digital sales in the current week will be sufficient to raise her all the way to the Top, and radio is unlikely to get all over the track in the current week to lift it to Number 1.
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Postby thebigham » Thu Apr 24, 2008 1:20 pm

No new RIAA certifications on the Billboard 200 this week.
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