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Thread: UK Politics: Has Boris secured a deal?

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    by Tue September 3rd, 2019, 20:37

    Quote Originally Posted by Rihab View Post


    Did I not know what 'defect' means and confuse it with 'defecate' for a second? Maybe.

    Still newsworthy though.
    Welp that island has been defecating on democracy, sanity and brain functionality for quite some time now so it's basically the same
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    by Tue September 3rd, 2019, 22:22

    Boris has been defeated in the Commons and is now seeking to bring forward an early general election.

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    by Tue September 3rd, 2019, 22:26

    That walk across the floor during the PM speech was quite a slap in the face for Boris.
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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 17:23

    Boris Johnson will call for a general election on 15 October if Labour and rebel Tories succeed in blocking a no-deal Brexit.

    He challenged Jeremy Corbyn to put his policy of "dither and delay" over EU withdrawal to the British people.

    Mr Johnson needs the support of two-thirds of MPs to trigger an election.

    But shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer told Labour MPs the leadership would not back an election until a delay had been agreed with the EU.

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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 18:42

    What a mess.
    Just cancel everything at this point.
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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 20:03

    Quote Originally Posted by cheapthrills View Post
    I'm so confused. I thought he suspended parliament?
    They still have this week to pass a law that prevents a no-deal Brexit.

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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 20:23

    More than 100,000 people, mainly young, have registered to vote in the past 48 hours.

    Boris has called Corbyn a “great big girl’s blouse” in the Commons

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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 20:52

    Quote Originally Posted by Thriller View Post
    Boris has called Corbyn a “great big girl’s blouse” in the Commons
    What does this even mean though?
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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 20:55

    Quote Originally Posted by heppolo View Post
    What does this even mean though?
    A wimp, effectively.

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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 21:00

    Quote Originally Posted by Thriller View Post
    A wimp, effectively.
    The pompous duo of Boris and Rees-Mogg should be locked together in the Oxford debate class to frustrate each other with their grotesque self-indulgent speeches, and not pretending to be the ones who are in charge of the country.
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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 21:23

    The vote against a no deal Brexit has passed.

    They are now voting on a general election FFS.

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    by Wed September 4th, 2019, 22:56

    Snap general election vote flopped
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    by Mon September 9th, 2019, 18:11

    The law that prevents a no-deal Brexit is the worst thing they could have voted IMO. Irrespective of who is in the government, it just strips the UK of any negotiating power it may have had. Now theoretically the EU could either force whatever deal they want on them or leave them forever in limbo (which will not do much for the UK economy). I am really shocked by that vote...

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    by Mon September 9th, 2019, 19:06

    ^essentially most of MPs think it's better to block BoJo from any potential negotiation, and make Brexit look as unrealistic as possible for the general public so that the support for Brexit eventually dwindles towards a clear minority.
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    by Mon September 9th, 2019, 19:14

    I get that... but that raises about a million questions about the place of democracy within the European Union... it's really sad

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    by Mon September 9th, 2019, 19:58

    Quote Originally Posted by jio View Post
    I get that... but that raises about a million questions about the place of democracy within the European Union... it's really sad
    huh? Uschi is going to salvage everything.

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    by Mon September 9th, 2019, 21:49

    I can't believe the UK's politics is in such a mess, its been years of absolute chaos. They all need to resign and admit they are absolutely terrible at this.

    Realistically, at this point - they need to cancel Brexit both big parties need completely overhauled and an election to take place, and then referendum again. It's beyond repair at this point. I'm genuinely scared at the uk's future.
    thank u, next

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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 01:56

    I would've voted for Boris Johnson had I maintained my membership, but this indeed isn't a good look. He hasn't been able to do anything, I wish he could just have the guts to not only say "do or die" for a 31 October Brexit, but that the EU is only going with Theresa May's deal, and so we can just speed up the ineivtability of that deal being finally accepted by the Commons.

    I expect May's deal to be resurrected and passed in the end, after further chaos, and possibly another extention. The best deal I can see is one that has a border in the Irish Sea. If China can claim Hong Kong and Macau as its own, I don't why an autonomous Northern Ireland could not work. But May making a mess of her snap election made it impossible to do anything the unionists would not like.
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    Voice of the truth here!! :(

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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 10:36

    Quote Originally Posted by jio View Post
    I get that... but that raises about a million questions about the place of democracy within the European Union... it's really sad
    well, is there a place for democracy in the modern times? especially in such a controlled and manipulated media environment.
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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 10:43

    Quote Originally Posted by clh_hilary View Post
    I would've voted for Boris Johnson had I maintained my membership, but this indeed isn't a good look. He hasn't been able to do anything
    How ironic that BoJo PM position has been the result of deep divisions within the Conservative Party, yet because of this kaleidoscopic situation BoJo is simply unable to achieve any progress for better or worse.
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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 13:26

    Quote Originally Posted by shinydiscopaul View Post
    I can't believe the UK's politics is in such a mess, its been years of absolute chaos. They all need to resign and admit they are absolutely terrible at this.

    Realistically, at this point - they need to cancel Brexit both big parties need completely overhauled and an election to take place, and then referendum again. It's beyond repair at this point. I'm genuinely scared at the uk's future.
    As far as Brexit is concerned, I think an actual referendum should come first rather than a de facto referendum which is what a G.E would be. The problem with a general election is it also includes too many other policies like NHS, taxes,education, defence, policing, welfare and so on.

    With a (basically) single issue election: a referendum. The options could be Remain or Bojo's deal (whatever that will be). Also make the referendum legally binding, unlike the last one which was only advisory.

    Then after Brexit has been finally been decided we can have a G.E. May tried to sort Brexit out with a G.E in 2017 and look where it got us: a minority government relying on the D.U.P. There could be another hung Parliament again.

    It's also fairer, for example, on Conservative and Labour voters as each party has both Leavers and Remainers to let them decide via a referendum.
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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 14:04

    Quote Originally Posted by heppolo View Post
    well, is there a place for democracy in the modern times? especially in such a controlled and manipulated media environment.
    That's so true... media decide who we are going to like and who not (politically) without even giving them the benefit of the doubt. I could name some examples but it is beyond the point.

    From a legal point of view there are several ways forward, most of each would annul the previous referendum (such as a new referendum). Ethically however there is no way that the UK could remain in the EU without hurting its democratic traditions. The will of the people was expressed freely and fairly once (yes, one could argue that politicians lied but show me when they don't lie? that means nothing) and since then we had a premier who was supposedly trying to achieve Brexit while never believing in it and now a parliament which is supposedly trying to achieve a Brexit with a deal when they clearly believe that there should be no Brexit at all. If another referendum does take place and Brexit is rejected, then the real question would be how much of the shift in votes was due to people essentially being blackmailed by the anti-Brexit rhetoric of post-Brexit doom (unproven) thus making the second decision one taken under distress plus the question of why the next referendum should be binding and not just attempt to overturn it again since that would have happened to the first one. Tough questions...
    Last edited by jio; Tue September 10th, 2019 at 14:07.

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