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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 21:58

    Quote Originally Posted by jio View Post
    That's so true... media decide who we are going to like and who not (politically) without even giving them the benefit of the doubt. I could name some examples but it is beyond the point.

    From a legal point of view there are several ways forward, most of each would annul the previous referendum (such as a new referendum). Ethically however there is no way that the UK could remain in the EU without hurting its democratic traditions. The will of the people was expressed freely and fairly once (yes, one could argue that politicians lied but show me when they don't lie? that means nothing) and since then we had a premier who was supposedly trying to achieve Brexit while never believing in it and now a parliament which is supposedly trying to achieve a Brexit with a deal when they clearly believe that there should be no Brexit at all. If another referendum does take place and Brexit is rejected, then the real question would be how much of the shift in votes was due to people essentially being blackmailed by the anti-Brexit rhetoric of post-Brexit doom (unproven) thus making the second decision one taken under distress plus the question of why the next referendum should be binding and not just attempt to overturn it again since that would have happened to the first one. Tough questions...

    If Parliament clearly believe that there should be no Brexit at all then why did it vote 498 votes to 114 in favour of triggering Article 50?

    You don't know if the will of the people was expressed freely and fairly as your opinion is based on an EU referendum corruptly won. If the referendum had been legally binding then a judge could have made the result null and void. However, since the the referendum was only advisory the result cannot legally be overturned by the courts.




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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 22:55

    What exactly makes it "corruptly" won?

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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 23:37

    Quote Originally Posted by heppolo View Post
    How ironic that BoJo PM position has been the result of deep divisions within the Conservative Party, yet because of this kaleidoscopic situation BoJo is simply unable to achieve any progress for better or worse.
    The division is mostly within the parliamentary party, though. Party members love BoJo, and he's still leading the polls by 3-14 points.

    As things stand, I think BoJo will resign next month, Damien Rabb will be the "temporary" PM (and Oxford's 29th PM) to request for an extention from the EU. Then he'll probably be elected party leader and eventually, everyone will finally agree to take Theresa May's deal. Then a general election with another hung parliament.
    Quote Originally Posted by WhatTheHell
    Voice of the truth here!! :(

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    by Tue September 10th, 2019, 23:49

    Quote Originally Posted by jio View Post
    That's so true... media decide who we are going to like and who not (politically) without even giving them the benefit of the doubt. I could name some examples but it is beyond the point.

    From a legal point of view there are several ways forward, most of each would annul the previous referendum (such as a new referendum). Ethically however there is no way that the UK could remain in the EU without hurting its democratic traditions. The will of the people was expressed freely and fairly once (yes, one could argue that politicians lied but show me when they don't lie? that means nothing) and since then we had a premier who was supposedly trying to achieve Brexit while never believing in it and now a parliament which is supposedly trying to achieve a Brexit with a deal when they clearly believe that there should be no Brexit at all. If another referendum does take place and Brexit is rejected, then the real question would be how much of the shift in votes was due to people essentially being blackmailed by the anti-Brexit rhetoric of post-Brexit doom (unproven) thus making the second decision one taken under distress plus the question of why the next referendum should be binding and not just attempt to overturn it again since that would have happened to the first one. Tough questions...
    I'm not saying there should be a second referendum, but if the choices on the second referendum are 1. take May's deal; or 2. no deal, then it's not going to harm the integrity of the first one.

    That'd also avoid people asking for a third referendum on the basis of a second referendum being held. Though the optics would be bad.

    I believe the best way to deal with it democratically would be to have a general election, although I believe with a GE there should also be an extension.
    Quote Originally Posted by WhatTheHell
    Voice of the truth here!! :(

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    by Wed September 11th, 2019, 11:21

    Quote Originally Posted by jio View Post
    What exactly makes it "corruptly" won?
    Vote Leave was fined 61,000 after the electoral watchdog ruled that it broke electoral law.

    But was not possible to overturn the referendum result because the referendum was only advisory. Had the result been legally binding it would have been quashed.
    Last edited by Kpop; Wed September 11th, 2019 at 11:23.

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    by Wed September 11th, 2019, 14:45

    Quote Originally Posted by Kpop View Post
    BoJo casual speeches are so pompous and overblown with hyperbole, the man himself might not completely understand what he is talking about (especially if he was trying to impress the Queen), so ...
    Waffles are checked cookies

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