Results 1 to 25 of 66

Thread: Gender Identity & The Gender Spectrum

Hybrid View

Previous Post Previous Post   Next Post Next Post
  1. #1
    Airwrecka's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    25 Nov 2013
    Location
    Winterfell
    Posts
    13,737
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)

    by » Tue February 2nd, 2016, 21:20

    It has come to my attention, that we don't seem to have a thread about this (please let me know if we do). I think this is something that we should be much more aware of; and I'd therefore like to invite you to discuss your thoughts and experiences.

    Please note the following:
    * this is a potentially controversial topic that may prove divisive in opinion. I therefore ask you to be respectful of other's opinions, and refrain from derogatory or deliberately provocative comments. It would be a shame to lock this thread because we couldn't sustain a mature discussion.
    * Gender identity is NOT the same thing as your sexuality. You can read more about what it is below. You may also wish to discuss or challenge the definition I have provided below. Gender Identity is not necessarily a simple concept, and people may differ in their understanding and perception of what is.

    It is important to note that gender identity, biological sex, and sexual orientation are separate and that you cannot assume how someone identifies in one category based on how they identify in another category.
    Source.

  2. #2
    heppolo's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    17 May 2009
    Location
    interchangeable
    Posts
    27,277
    Mentioned
    199 Post(s)

    by » Sun June 30th, 2019, 12:13

    The whole issue of gender as a social construct is quite interesting, but the fact that so many people still confuse gender and sexuality is just sad.
    Waffles are checked cookies

  3. #3
    CrazyCrazy's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    06 Jan 2008
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    53,745
    Mentioned
    89 Post(s)

    by » Sun June 30th, 2019, 15:16

    I won't really go into the gender thing much because that is so complicated to me and I don't know a lot about it, I understand some people have gender dysphoria which explains the transgender person. I do think some of the labels people put on themselves seem to contradict each other though...like how can you be transgender and non binary at the same time? Does that actually make any sense?

    One theory I heard about why people are gay is to do with the high levels of oestrogen or testosterone they were exposed to in the womb, just one theory. I believe we are born gay or born with something in our makeup which determines that later on but I'm open to learning more about it, it's interesting to me.
    My tits are made of silicone, just like the Earth and sea...

  4. #4
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Sun June 30th, 2019, 21:04

    Also, trans women are biologically women, but they are of biological male sex.



    I should stop for now before I go a bit deeper into this topic.
    Last edited by Serby; Sun June 30th, 2019 at 21:15.
    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  5. #5
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 00:07

    For those who want to follow amazing gender justice educators, follow Ericka Hart for starters. They are amazing! How gender intersects with race and can't be discussed in a vacuum is what you'll find there.

    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  6. #6
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 00:11

    Also, what better place than this thread to announce that from now on, I use they/them pronouns along with he/him.
    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  7. #7
    GetBack's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    11 Jun 2010
    Location
    Netflix
    Posts
    32,579
    Mentioned
    59 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 07:29

    I think there will come a time where identifying oneself to a certain gender will be offensive. It just goes way beyond the spectrum to a point where there may be some people who will fight for rights in favor of dating plants and animals or even non-living things.

  8. #8
    joao's Avatar
    Superstar
    Join Date
    30 Dec 2004
    Posts
    6,062
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 14:38

    Just to make things clear, I don´t have a problem with sexual minorities and with people who don´t identify with their sex of birth. In fact, I believe every person should be allowed to make their own choices concerning sex, identity, clothes, etc, as long as everything that is done between people is consensual and doesn´t involve infants or adolescents.

    However, I do feel that minorities are being manipulated for political gain, and this has nothing to do with seeking justice. Otherwise, why would all big companies and billionaires all jump in these progressive causes? If this was really about subverting the current order of power, you´d expect people on top of the game to shy away from it, and not to fund these causes with millions of their money.

    But big companies benefit from identity politics. They don´t want strong cultures, strong nations or strong families, but only individuals desperately searching for an identity. This leads to massive consumption, and weaker cultures and states make it easier for big companies to push whatever they want into consumers. In fact, these companies are dictating what people should believe and how they should act in a way that not even religions have done in the past, it´s frightening! They are funding pseudo-sciences like "gender studies" and criminalising dissent.

  9. #9
    DnBLover's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    21 Dec 2009
    Location
    PT-NO
    Posts
    15,248
    Mentioned
    62 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 15:18

    I have a lot to say on this topic but let me just say that sex is undeniable. You can identify with whoever you want but that won't change your body. It won't change your internal organs, your hormones and the fact that you can carry a baby or not. Biological women have the reproductive system to carry a baby, biological men don't. That's the difference. This has several health and structural implications.
    @CrazyCrazy non-binary is the opposite of transgender in my opinion. Transgender is about changing boxes, non-binary is about jumping out.

    This is a very sensitive topic, but I am in favour of people being free to be themselves without having to conform to boxes. But I am not in favour of delusion.

    I also think that all this talk is both confusing to people, makes the movement lose credibility and takes away from very important issues.
    I am the maniac, I am the ghoul
    I'm in the shadows in the corners of my room

  10. #10
    MusicRecords's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    17 Feb 2012
    Location
    New York City & Vienna
    Posts
    14,624
    Mentioned
    84 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 15:46

    Quote Originally Posted by DnBLover View Post
    I have a lot to say on this topic but let me just say that sex is undeniable. You can identify with whoever you want but that won't change your body. It won't change your internal organs, your hormones and the fact that you can carry a baby or not. Biological women have the reproductive system to carry a baby, biological men don't. That's the difference. This has several health and structural implications.
    @CrazyCrazy non-binary is the opposite of transgender in my opinion. Transgender is about changing boxes, non-binary is about jumping out.

    This is a very sensitive topic, but I am in favour of people being free to be themselves without having to conform to boxes. But I am not in favour of delusion.

    I also think that all this talk is both confusing to people, makes the movement lose credibility and takes away from very important issues.
    !
    Follow Me On Instagram

    The FIRST user to have a thread beat Mariah on the Ukmix Hot 100

    #KING

  11. #11
    CrazyCrazy's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    06 Jan 2008
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    53,745
    Mentioned
    89 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 18:54

    Quote Originally Posted by DnBLover View Post
    .
    @CrazyCrazy non-binary is the opposite of transgender in my opinion. Transgender is about changing boxes, non-binary is about jumping out.
    Yeah I know what they mean (kinda), I was just asking if it made any sense to identify as both at the same time as I’ve heard a few people saying they are both, so you confirm it doesn’t make sense.
    My tits are made of silicone, just like the Earth and sea...

  12. #12
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Fri July 12th, 2019, 00:09

    Quote Originally Posted by DnBLover View Post
    This is a very sensitive topic, but I am in favour of people being free to be themselves without having to conform to boxes. But I am not in favour of delusion.

    I also think that all this talk is both confusing to people, makes the movement lose credibility and takes away from very important issues.
    Takes away from what important issues? Also people being confused says about people, not the movement imo.

    And what delusion? No one is denying chromosomes, sex organs and what not, but people are more than just their bodies.
    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  13. #13
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 15:23

    *inhales deeply* @joao

    Ignorance really is a blessing I guess. Talking about ideology as if we are not living in world made out of harmful ideologies already. The way you don't question the world as it is is scary, you take it as organic and as if it shaped into what is now by itself.
    Last edited by Serby; Thu July 11th, 2019 at 15:26.
    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  14. #14
    joao's Avatar
    Superstar
    Join Date
    30 Dec 2004
    Posts
    6,062
    Mentioned
    11 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 18:00

    Quote Originally Posted by Serby View Post
    *inhales deeply* @joao

    Ignorance really is a blessing I guess. Talking about ideology as if we are not living in world made out of harmful ideologies already. The way you don't question the world as it is is scary, you take it as organic and as if it shaped into what is now by itself.
    Since you are living in a world full of harmful ideology, why add another one? Of course, I question the world and its ideologies (and gender ideology is one of the new stupid ideologies IMO), but that doesn´t change the fact that there are still objective facts out there that cannot be changed regardless of our beliefs. You sayng things like "a trans woman IS a biological woman" or "gender has nothing to do with biological sex" is the same as denying as objective facts out of pure belief. It´s not better then creationists who say the world has 6,000 years, for example. And what´s more scary is people who support this type of thought usually want to impose sanctions of those who don´t agree.

  15. #15
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 15:50

    Also, capitalist coopting the movements for their personal gain is just pink/green/whatever washing and that logic is just so faulty.
    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  16. #16
    theMathematician's Avatar
    Personal Assistant
    Join Date
    31 May 2018
    Location
    Germany
    Posts
    1,719
    Mentioned
    56 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 15:50

    Let's say that I'm on the more conservative side of the political spectrum and my opinion of gender identities and issues in general may differ from @Serby's. But unlike during my first stop of UKMix, I've grown to be tolerant of points of view that differ from my personal one. So while I tend to side with the likes of @joao or @CrazyCrazy in that regard, I have to say that I wouldn't want to change anyone's state of mind in that regard. So if @Serby considers this topic a relevant one for his personal life situation, that's gotta be cool for me as long as he, on the other hand, doesn't expect me to do similar - as a sign of mutual respect, you know.
    ~ representing the LBC ~

  17. #17
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 23:40

    Nonbinary people are also trans. You don't need dysphoria and gender alignment surgery to be trans.

    Trans comes from Latin word meaning on the other side of or sth like that, so everyone whose gender doesn't align with the gender assigned at birth is trans. If you are not a cis person (your gender is same as the one assigned based on your sex organs), you're trans.
    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  18. #18
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Thu July 11th, 2019, 23:43

    Also trans people who undergo surgeries are not changing boxes per se, more like trying to align their bodies to their identity.

    Someone ask why fit into all the "stereotypes" of what a woman is, but you don't realise that what trans people want is to have their identities reaffirmed by the society. The more you pass, the safer you are.

    A trans woman is not a man who struggles with being feminine nor would a society that allows "male sex" bodied people to be any way elevate their struggle. If there was society where gender =/= what you have in your pants, trans people would not need to have surgeries to relief themselves.

    So, if we ever reach a society where who we consider to be a man can be a man, woman or none, all of it would be solved.
    Last edited by Serby; Fri July 12th, 2019 at 09:48.
    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

  19. #19
    Serby's Avatar
    Legend
    Join Date
    19 Jan 2011
    Location
    Halliwell Manor
    Posts
    37,446
    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)

    by » Fri July 12th, 2019, 14:14

    Check her out, she's really amazing at what she does. Also, many of the question I've seen here have been answered way better than I ever could and this video specifically tackles the TERFs (trans exclusionary radical feminists). A must watch.


    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •