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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 10:41

    Good luck! I can't wait to see the finished result. I'm sure you'll do a great job.
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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 10:43

    Yay! Finally, a new sales thread. I'll try to help in any other way. Looking forward to your estimations and chart runs in certain Asian countries Luminator!
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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 11:01

    Luminator, when MJD has #1's at 16,2m and you have it at 15,8m, why not pick the middle = 16m?

    we have to make sure to also add BMG Club sales (mention them) on her US tally <3

    well done so far.

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 11:31

    Quote Originally Posted by stevyy
    Luminator, when MJD has #1's at 16,2m and you have it at 15,8m, why not pick the middle = 16m?

    we have to make sure to also add BMG Club sales (mention them) on her US tally <3

    well done so far.
    Yeah, i think i might add it. I'm just tooooo conservative sometimes....

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 11:32

    By the way i would be thankful for a good estimation of her worldwide single sales since i don't have a good one.

    I would add it then.

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 12:33

    Maybe we can re-work my estimations:

    9,400,000 - 1994 - All I want for Christmas Is You
    3,800,000 - 1995 - One Sweet Day
    3,700,000 - 1994 - Without You
    3,300,000 - 1995 - Fantasy
    2,800,000 - 1996 - Always be my Baby
    2,600,000 - 1993 - Hero
    2,500,000 - 2005 - We Belong Together
    2,400,000 - 1998 - My All
    2,300,000 - 1999 - Heartbreaker
    2,250,000 - 2008 - Touch my Body
    2,100,000 - 2009 - Obsessed
    2,050,000 - 1997 - Honey
    1,700,000 - 1993 - Dreamlover
    1,680,000 - 2013 - #Beautiful
    1,500,000 - 1994 - Endless Love
    1,500,000 - 1992 - I'll Be There
    1,430,000 - 1998 - When you Believe
    1,370,000 - 1998 - I Still Believe
    1,325,000 - 2005 - Shake It Off
    1.300,000 - 1990 - Vision of Love
    1,100,000 - 2000 - Thank God I Found You
    1,000,000 - 1991 - Emotions
    900,000 - 1990 - Love Takes Time
    850,000 - 1991 - Someday
    800,000 - 2005 - It's Like That
    750,000 - 2008 - Bye Bye
    750,000 - 2001 - Loverboy
    750,000 - 1992 - Can't Let Go
    705,000 - 2005 - Don't Forget About Us
    700,000 - 1994 - Anytime you Need a Friend
    590,000 - 2000 - Against All Odds
    500,000 - 2003 - I Know what you Want
    500,000 - 2000 - Can't Take That Away
    500,000 - 1992 - Make It Happen
    450,000 - 1991 - I don't Wanna Cry
    425,000 - 2002 - Through The Rain
    380,000 - 1994 - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)
    240,000 - 2009 - I want to Know what Love Is
    220,000 - 1996 - Open Arms
    200,000 - 2006 - Say Somethin'
    195,000 - 1997 - Butterfly
    165,000 - 2008 - I'll Be Lovin' You Long Time
    150,000 - 2009 - My Love
    150,000 - 2006 - Fly Like a Bird
    140,000 - 2010 - Oh Santa!
    120,000 - 2001 - Never Too Far/Hero
    100,000 - 2012 - Triumphant
    100,000 - 1996 - Forever
    100,000 - 1991 - There's Got To Be a Way
    90,000 - 2010 - Up Out My Face
    80,000 - 2015 - Infinity
    80,000 - 1997 - Breakdown
    75,000 - 2014 - You're Mine (Eternal)
    70,000 - 2009 - Betcha Gon' Know
    70,000 - 2002 - Boy (I Need You)
    70,000 - 2001 - Don't Stop
    65,000 - 1998 - Sweetheart
    50,000 - 2009 - H.A.T.E.U.
    50,000 - 2008 - I Stay In Love
    50,000 - 2003 - Bringin' On The Heartbreak
    40,000 - 2009 - 100%

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 13:08

    All I Want For Christmas Is you USA chart run is complete?

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 13:28

    Quote Originally Posted by freeme
    All I Want For Christmas Is you USA chart run is complete?
    yes, all weeks inside the H100 are accounted for. I think, I hope I find my tally it's somewhere here on ukmix - that it spent 12 weeks inside the top 50 this decade.

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 14:12

    Quote Originally Posted by stevyy
    Quote Originally Posted by freeme
    All I Want For Christmas Is you USA chart run is complete?
    yes, all weeks inside the H100 are accounted for. I think, I hope I find my tally it's somewhere here on ukmix - that it spent 12 weeks inside the top 50 this decade.
    I have this, but probably is not correct

    83-x-29-25-21-x-26-27-26-x-50-40-35-x-26-22-18-11-x

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 16:05

    I hope everbody is ok seeing I'm staring with my Asian figues.

    It is quite an unconventional approach but due to Mariah's specific and outstanding relevance in Asia, i do think that I am allowed to put special emphasis on this continent by beginning with it before turning towards Europe.

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 18:06

    Great work with the US and Asia market numbers Luminator! Some of your estimates are conservative, but that's no problem!

    By the way, you've repeated All figures have been professionally estimated by both acknowledging the size of the Malaysian market according to IFPI sources of Southeast-Asian markets in the Billboard magazine in the 1990s and deducing figures from what Mariah was able to sell with #1's, which is confirmed of having sold 250,000 units throughout the country. for all your Southeast Asian countries estimates.

    I think your Thailand estimations are a tad too low, but we never know if Mariah ever made it big there though. Also, do you happen to have chart runs for Taiwan, South Korea and other Asian markets?

    Also, don't you think that the 3,6m figure for #1's is way too outdated? That figure was reported during early 1999. I know catalog sales in Japan are dismissal, but considering that both MB and DD are now eligible for another certification, i don't find it wrong for #1's to be at around 3,8m. Perhaps it's close to 4m, but since we have no info, we might as well be conservative.

    Looking forward for your Indian estimations and especially China estimations (how on earth can you estimate Chinese sales ) I don't recall any sales info regarding Mariah in India. But keep up the good work! Also, there are a lot of Asian countries you can do like Philippines.
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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 18:33

    By the way, I see you've used stevvy's singles estimations for the front page. I like them, though there are some i have in mind that are different. Perhaps you will consider using some of mine?

    Hero (1993)
    US: 1,850,000 (1,15m physical + 700K digital)
    Europe: 750,000
    UK: 290,000
    France: 170,000
    Germany: 135,000
    Oceania: 100,000
    Australia: 90,000
    NZ: 10,000
    Asia: 150,000
    Rest: 50,000
    Worldwide: 2,900,000

    Fantasy (1995)
    US: 2,300,000 (1,625m physical + 675K digital)
    Europe: 775,000
    UK: 300,000
    France: 165,000
    Germany: 155,000
    Oceania: 125,000
    Australia: 110,000
    NZ: 15,000
    Asia: 225,000
    Rest: 75,000
    Worldwide: 3,500,000

    My All (1998)
    US: 1,800,000 (1,5m phyiscal + 300K digital)
    Europe: 640,000
    UK: 175,000
    France: 200,000
    Germany: 135,000
    Oceania: 35,000
    Australia: 30,000
    NZ: 5,000
    Asia: 100,000
    Rest: 75,000
    Worldwide: 2,650,000

    *All figures are rounded

    You decide which figure to chose Luminator. There are other singles i think are either over-estimated or under-estimated compared to the one in the 1st page. I'll post my estimations for those other singles tomorrow. If anyone wants to correct me, please feel free to do so!
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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 18:36

    Asia is done! Bown down to the queen

    Thanks for the advices

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 18:41

    Quote Originally Posted by goddessriah

    I think your Thailand estimations are a tad too low, but we never know if Mariah ever made it big there though. Also, do you happen to have chart runs for Taiwan, South Korea and other Asian markets?
    I was a bit unsure about Thailand because we really don't have a lot of information. :-?
    Quote Originally Posted by goddessriah
    Also, don't you think that the 3,6m figure for #1's is way too outdated? That figure was reported during early 1999. I know catalog sales in Japan are dismissal, but considering that both MB and DD are now eligible for another certification, i don't find it wrong for #1's to be at around 3,8m. Perhaps it's close to 4m, but since we have no info, we might as well be conservative.
    For #1's, I want to wait for MJDangerous estimation and will then update the figure. He seems to have great knowledge about the Japanese market. But i agree that the figure seems to be outdated.

    Quote Originally Posted by goddessriah
    Looking forward for your Indian estimations and especially China estimations (how on earth can you estimate Chinese sales ) I don't recall any sales info regarding Mariah in India. But keep up the good work! Also, there are a lot of Asian countries you can do like Philippines.
    For China and India, i have been working with IFPI figures and other reports. I added them under "special mentions" because the margin of error is a lot bigger on these two cases.

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 18:43

    Luminator, what about Philippines? Surely, it must be a bigger market (at least for Mariah) than India?
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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 18:50

    Quote Originally Posted by goddessriah
    Luminator, what about Philippines? Surely, it must be a bigger market (at least for Mariah) than India?
    Yeah, i still have to add it. Thanks

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 19:17

    Hi. Great post

    Just to add my two cents:

    11. GREATEST HITS (#52/12w)
    (22/12/2001): *52*-|05/01/2002|-74-81-94-110-123-128-145-168-164-187
    (Re 03/05/2008): 80
    I'm pretty sure it re entered the BB 200 during Idol era too

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 19:43

    gawd her stats look fine in Asia. If only RIAK and RIAJ would release a statement about her sales since their last certifications.

    BTW I've always read that Glitter was the best selling album of 2001 in China. If only I could find the press release again.

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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 20:43

    Absolutely fantastic work with the Asiain estimates Luminator, especially considering we have very limited or obsolete information about Mariah in the majority of Asia.

    33m+ albums sold in Asia is a fantasic result. And since Luminator's numbers are very conservative, no one can dare blast us if we add a million of two into her Asian album sales, especially considering we have 0 info on a lot of Asian markets.

    How does Mariah compare to other international artists though? She's probably the biggest selling solo internatinal artist there. What about others? I've heard that both Celine and Madonna sold close to 20m albums in Asia, while Michael and the Beatles must have done extrodionary numbers there as well.
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    by Mon October 10th, 2016, 20:45

    Great work


    What abour Streaming 'sales'?
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    by Tue October 11th, 2016, 10:07

    Hey Luminator, i see you've started doing your album breakdowns on the 1st page. Nice work, though there are some info i'd like to talk about.

    1. Mariah Carey (1990)
    >> South and Middle America: ~300.000
    Woah! Don't you think this is too much :-? 300K is a lot, especially when Mariah debuted, i doubt she was big in Latin America. Moreover, we have 0 info there. Let's say that this album shipped 50K (probably more) in Brazil, based I say the album has shipped 100K-150K there max!

    >> Africa & Middle East: ~300.000
    Again, this is way too much! I say around 100K-150K as well.

    Australia: 350.000 (2xP|#6/57w)
    This info always confuses me. I know Mariah received a plaque of this back in 1998, but the ARIA says only 2XP. It has a very impressive chart run, and it ended up being the 6th best seller of the year! I say the 140K is probably too low, but 350K, while possible, we can't really confirm, To be safe, I suggest 250K, with the album being at least 1 platinum certification under-certified.

    >> Europe: ~1.175.000
    MJD last had the debut album's European sales at 1,150,000. I don't know if has adjusted them since, but his figures were pretty outdated. He had UK at 300K, France at 75K etc. Also, there are some countries where he left out, and for those countries, they add up to 150K outside of the main markets in Europe. IMO, 1,2-1,25m should be more accurate than 1,175m

    Your other sales are fine. To sum up , I believe the debut album should be at around 13,3m worldwide. I know it is below what MJD has estimated (13,5), but we can never be sure, can we? I will post my other suggestions for other albums later. Hope you will consider them.
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    by Tue October 11th, 2016, 10:18

    Mariah Carey, Emotions and Unplugged can only be estimated because while they were no BIG deals outside the US initially, they all benefitted from Music Box and picked up sales in 1993-1995 because they were also heavily advertised in the Music Box booklet. Speaking of South America and Europe. I know for a fact that her pre Music Box albums have all picked up when Music Box smashed in 1994. I wouldn't give too much about certifications especially when they are 20 years old or were awarded close to the release.

    I know it is kind of unimaginable how catalogue albums worked in the 1990s, but they did. We don't have that in that extend anymore.

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    by Tue October 11th, 2016, 10:42

    Yeah, her earlier albums must have picked up a lot during her peak in 1993-1996.

    Still, I'm quite skeptical about the African figures. 300K is a big deal considering the small market size there. And for her earlier albums to be so close in sales in Africa compared to Music Box (400K)?

    Also, regarding Music Box, Luminator, Stevvy, what do you think are Music Box's figures in Brazil. Do you accept the widely reported 800K. Obviously, it is much more than the 100K it was certified for. But by how much? All we know is that Music Box has definitely shipped 500K in the entire South American continent when the Spanish version of Hero was released, according to a Billboard article (though I can't find it now) 1m is a good estimate for the South American continent (perhaps even more?)
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    by Tue October 11th, 2016, 10:50

    well, i fail to believe that Music Box only sold 100k in Brazil when the album literally slayed in all other countries and continents:

    11m - North America
    8,0m - Europe
    5,2m - Asia
    1,0m - Oceania

    I simply fail to see how South America could exclude themselves from her domination. Argentina, Mexico and Brazil are the cornerstones of the South American market. There have been albums selling 10x of what Music Box supposedly sold by certification there. I think we could and should add 30% to what it is certified there just for the margin of error, ie 300k in Brazil is absolutely fine, and 100k+ in each Argentina and especially Mexico are a given. it would reflect the general appeal of Music Box and the regional taste which was not reflected by Music Box.

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