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Thread: Zayn Malik :: The "Icarus Falls" Era

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    by » 09-01-19, 19:16

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2zyYAClv1g

    Amazing video and voice and song i really do think this company is not for him the way hes been handled is really not good.

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    by » 11-01-19, 14:06

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    by » 11-01-19, 14:24

    Spain PROMUSICAE

    100 (35) 02 Icarus Falls
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    by » 11-01-19, 21:38

    Quote Originally Posted by jjavier1978
    WW Spotify:

    ICARUS FALLS: 357,537,483 Plays (+238k equivalent album units)
    Yes! The album is starting to recover again specially in the USA AND Canada. He talked about touring. Once he goes on tour, he can save his career and this album.

    And there you are should be the next single, but please Zayn it’s up to you!!
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    by » 15-01-19, 18:15

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    by » 15-01-19, 21:36

    Quote Originally Posted by Blakemeley
    Zayn definitely had that advantage you are talking about on his debut era but MOM flopped. Majority of the 1D fans grown up. Twitter is not an indicator for success coz if that's the case, Louis could've been more successful than anyone in 1D except from Harry. What push do you need? Getting a drake, jb or the weekend collab? It's not that easy coz that cost shit tons of money and zayn isn't bringing in the cash. Zayn is previledge enough to collab with taylor, sia and nicki. If the success of idwlf and dtd didn't translate to his solo music then it's not the label's problem anymore. He had given plenty of chances, he had gotten multiple major deals from spotify, apple music/itunes post-mind of mine and not to mention big mv budget, what more can you ask from his label when zayn himself doesn't want to work?

    As what people saying, we will know the answer next week. Hopefully you are right, hopefully he will selll 40k or above, he needs to debut inside top 10 at least.



    Firstly, he didn't get multiple major deals from Spotify and Apple - a few of the singles weren't even included in Spotify's large playlists. He didn't have much Spotify payola and no radio payola. The only single that got proper push was Let Me. The others were randomly thrown out there with a few days notice and little support. Even the album itself didn't get an ad banner on Spotify, I haven't seen one single one while I've seen countless large banners for other albums like The 1975 since its release until today.

    Secondly, he did do big budget videos, but these were heavily sponsored by luxury brands. Just DTD and Let Me alone were sponsored by Jaguar, Bulgari, Marc Jacobs, Christian Louboutin, Ferragamo to name just a few. So it's safe to say that the label didn't have to invest much at all in them. DTD got well over 1 billion views, so I'd say that his sponsors were happy with the investment.

    Thirdly, he mostly recorded with unknown/small producers and writers, some of the songs were even outtakes from MOM - no hit maker or hot producer on the album, so here again, I wouldn't think it cost that much to make.

    Also, randomly releasing it mid-December, during holiday season, when all the publications are focusing on Best-of-the-year lists and are going on holiday; only giving a 2-week notice for the preorder (it's usually months), not releasing physicals until the week later, having Zayn's name written in tiny barely visible letters on the CDs... They could also have put together a nice bundle on the 14th with signed CDs, merch, booklet with new pictures, and other (like they all do now, e.g. Troye). They could also have included DTD as a bonus track and have a sticker on the CD "includes smash hit DTD" to call attention in shops or possibly incite more people to give it a listen to see if it included more tracks like this. Also, 27 tracks was a poor selling point - worst way to attract new listeners in streaming platforms. I mean, the marketing effort from the label couldn't have been worst. It looks like both Zayn and the label washed their hands of it.

    I'm not saying at all that he has the right attitude or that he deserved more push, and I find him very frustrating, and he only has himself to blame for driving fans away, but you're doing a bit too much, saying in multiple posts that he received major label push when he clearly didn't. And from everything he's said and done, he's accepting all the consequences of his actions. And I'm not sure features with SIA and Nicki were "privilege and chances"; he didn't necessarily want to record DTD and NCNL or even SGT, which are very different from his sound - they sound more like label intervention.


    Having said all of that lol, I'd really like to know if he's still with RCA. I haven't heard any tea. It feels it'd be better off being with a small label.

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    by » 15-01-19, 21:59

    Also, Zayn messed up of course, but RCA messed up too. There was a very decent amount of hype around his album; it was hotly anticipated in music forums, stan twitter, etc., but they killed all momentum by keeping pushing the release. Throwing single after single out there really killed the hype and momentum. If they had released the album after DTD, which was a smash hit everywhere but the US, it'd have done a lot better than now. Back in 2017 his streaming stats were much better than they are now, his fanbase was bigger. They shouldn't have kept pushing the release. I understand Zayn is a very challenging act to manage but he's never going to be promoting enough, he's never going to be a big pop star, DTD's success was big enough to release the album, he was hardly going to top it with the other material he had.

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    by » 16-01-19, 10:35

    The label has no fault at this. Why would they promote an artist that is refusing to perform and do some promo?
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    by » 16-01-19, 11:47

    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    The label has no fault at this. Why would they promote an artist that is refusing to perform and do some promo?

    Where did I say they should've promoted it? This wasn't my point. It can't be denied that RCA messed up by killing the momentum. The album was ready a long time ago, back then Zayn was doing quite well on Spotify, RCA should've released the album after Dusk Till Dawn. Did they really expect him to do better than the success of DTD to release the album?
    There's no question that he'd have done better then, especially with streaming, because the hype was there, and the song was a huge success ww.
    All I'm saying is that both the label and Zayn himself messed up.
    Also Zayn isn't refusing to perform; he has anxiety issues. I have a friend who saw him at Wango Tango and she said he looked petrified; it was uncomfortable to watch. He couldn't look at the crowd or say one word to them. It's very complicated; panic attacks are unpredictable. He's already had to cancel shows.
    It'd be great if he managed to start again by doing small intimate shows and build up from there, but I can't see him performing on TV.
    Also he needs a very good creative team; his videos failed to create hype because they were boring. Same with the artwork - ugly. That's his fault though; it's obvious he made those questionable decisions.

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    by » 16-01-19, 11:51

    He can either go indie route which could be beneficial for him or quit music as he doesn't need to work for the rest of his life. I don't see any major label wanting to sign him though.
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    by » 16-01-19, 11:52

    Quote Originally Posted by Tansike
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    by » 16-01-19, 12:10

    Yes, the indie route would be best for him. He said he wanted to continue making music. It'd be better if he parted ways with RCA but I don't know if he's free, if he's fulfilled his contract or not.

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    by » 16-01-19, 12:25

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    by » 23-01-19, 11:44

    WW Spotify:

    ICARUS FALLS: 393,463,328 Plays (+262k equivalent album units)
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    by » 23-01-19, 13:58

    Not bad, with some longevity this album will reach a decent amount of EAU. I’m still mad he didn’t include “Dusk Till Dawn” but looks like its the new common thing. Rihanna did the same with “Bitch Better Have My Money” and “45 Seconds”, Calvin Harris did it with “This Is What You Came For” and “How Deep Is Your Love”, Demi did it with “Body Say” and “Sober”
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    by » 23-01-19, 14:59

    ^
    All the artists should do the same, in my opinion. I don't like when they release 4 or 5 singles pre-album, and then they include them in the album, where's the artistry? At the time the album is out, the first single sometimes is nearly two years old and the final result is an album with a mix of styles, dated songs and no cohesion, more like a compilation of singles and some new tracks. Obviously, it inflates the numbers, but that's not a body of work. Just look at Zara Larsson, Clean Bandit or Rita Ora. Dua Lipa did something similar but at least she had some hits after the release, she didn't abandon the era once the album was released.
    In Zayn's case, I don't think a duet with Sia is exactly representative of his sound or the sound he's trying to achieve, so I understand why it's not included.

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