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Thread: Christina Aguilera :: The "Liberation" Era

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    by » 17-01-19, 14:22

    I don't think the comparison between Charlie Puth and Christina Aguilera is a good one. Both artists' recent albums haven't charted on most countries' charts for long but for different reasons. Puth is not really an a-lister in the first place and while the lead single was successful, his other singles weren't really and there was not much promo for the album, so not many people were interested in buying the album. In Christina's case, it's the lack of a hit single and promo along with the fact that her previous albums released many years ago already didn't do well.
    The argument that Charlie Puth is younger sounds like reverse ageism in a way that younger musicians are supposed to do better just because of their age. It does not work like that... There are successful older acts and younger artists struggling to receive mainstream attention.

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    by » 17-01-19, 17:30

    ^^ I was talking about pure sales. Since Attention was a big hit and he scored another top 20 hit, i thought he would be able to sell 150-200k. When you look at that perspective, a non-factor like Christina Aguilera selling the same amount of albums with him is a measure of success imo. Did it smash? Ofc, not. It did what was expected of it after 2 consecutive flop eras.
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    by » 17-01-19, 18:05

    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    ^^ I was talking about pure sales. Since Attention was a big hit and he scored another top 20 hit, i thought he would be able to sell 150-200k. When you look at that perspective, a non-factor like Christina Aguilera selling the same amount of albums with him is a measure of success imo. Did it smash? Ofc, not. It did what was expected of it after 2 consecutive flop eras.
    He released his debut album in 2016. Do you really expect huge pure album sales for him? His audience doesn't buy albums - it's like expecting these 90s divas to pull huge streaming numbers.

    Voicenotes is certified Gold by the RIAA while Liberation is not certified anywhere in the world. Not a very good comparison.

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    by » 17-01-19, 18:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Instinct
    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    ^^ I was talking about pure sales. Since Attention was a big hit and he scored another top 20 hit, i thought he would be able to sell 150-200k. When you look at that perspective, a non-factor like Christina Aguilera selling the same amount of albums with him is a measure of success imo. Did it smash? Ofc, not. It did what was expected of it after 2 consecutive flop eras.
    He released his debut album in 2016. Do you really expect huge pure album sales for him? His audience doesn't buy albums - it's like expecting these 90s divas to pull huge streaming numbers.

    Voicenotes is certified Gold by the RIAA while Liberation is not certified anywhere in the world. Not a very good comparison.
    Shawn Mendes can sell 250k copies of his album, thought Charlie had the same potential.

    At the end of the day, it's my opinion and everybody's entitled to their own, right? Liberation did ok imo considering it had no hit single, she doesn't have the sales or the streams. Ofc i'm not saying it's a success as well. It did what was expected of it.
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    by » 17-01-19, 19:00

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    It’s your opinion and your expectations, of course. But people are entitled to disagree and explain their reasons, though.

    First of all, you claimed the album “did well” and your reason for that was that it has sold the same -on pure sales- than Charlie Puth’s album.
    As I said, comparing albums based on pure sales cannot be an indicative of them doing well or not. Because no one in the industry measures success that way anymore. Not for certifications, not for charts. Sales are low for everyone. Only 1 album sold more than 1 milion copies in US last year. Only 2 sold more than 500k.
    On top of that, there are, also, certain kind of artists like hip-hop or those aimed to a young public, whose pure sales would be really low but their albums would be successesful because of streaming.
    And, also, Charlie’s album underperformed.

    So, avoiding streaming to measure an album performance is like taking into account only physicals when downloads exploded or only vinyls and cassettes when the CD exploded.

    Regarding the album doing what it was expected... Nobody was expecting it to reach Platinum... not even Gold in my case.
    But Lotus was Gold in US. It was at 565k SPS as of last year.
    So, Liberation being only at 130-140k SPS (including video streams) means a 75% decline compared to her previous album. Yes, I know it was 6 years ago, but even in that case, I would have expected a drop from 565k to 300k SPS or so.

    I won’t say it was the flop of 2018 as some have claimed as it clearly wasn’t. Far from it. But I wont say it did what I expected cause I expected more.

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    by » 11-02-19, 19:08



    Tickets available / Total Tickets

    31 May: 970/4,600 = 79%
    1 June: 1,259/4,600 = 73%
    5 June: 1,639/4,600 = 64%
    7 June: 1,668/4,600 = 64%
    8 June: 1,569/4,600 = 66%
    13 June: 482/4,600 = 90%
    15 June: 1,526/4,600 = 67%
    16 June: 1,882/4,600 = 59%
    20 Sept: 1,895/4,600 = 59%
    21 Sept: 1,778/4,600 = 61%
    24 Sept: 2,103/4,600 = 54%
    27 Sept: 2,046/4,600 = 56%
    28 Sept: 1,902/4,600 = 59%
    2 Oct: 2,085/4,600 = 55%
    4 Oct: 1,894/4,600 = 59%
    5 Oct: 1,675 /4,600 = 64%


    Total:
    Tickets available / Total Tickets
    26,363 / 73,600 (64% sold out)


    No resale tickets. Only tickets sold by ticketmaster counted.


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    by » 11-02-19, 19:10

    Good sales so far. Will sellout for sure (or at least do 95% overall ticket sales). I wonder why June 13th date is so much more popular than the average.

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    by » 11-02-19, 19:19

    Quote Originally Posted by beredy View Post
    Good sales so far. Will sellout for sure (or at least do 95% overall ticket sales). I wonder why June 13th date is so much more popular than the average.
    It has two blocks (205 and 206) in grey with only 1 and 3 tickets available respectively. Every other date has more or less all blocks in different tones of blue, meaning more tickets available.
    So probably not all tickets were on sale for some reason on that date and thus why there are less tickets available right now.

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