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Thread: Christina Aguilera :: The "Liberation" Era

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    by » Thu January 17th, 2019, 15:22

    I don't think the comparison between Charlie Puth and Christina Aguilera is a good one. Both artists' recent albums haven't charted on most countries' charts for long but for different reasons. Puth is not really an a-lister in the first place and while the lead single was successful, his other singles weren't really and there was not much promo for the album, so not many people were interested in buying the album. In Christina's case, it's the lack of a hit single and promo along with the fact that her previous albums released many years ago already didn't do well.
    The argument that Charlie Puth is younger sounds like reverse ageism in a way that younger musicians are supposed to do better just because of their age. It does not work like that... There are successful older acts and younger artists struggling to receive mainstream attention.

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    by » Thu January 17th, 2019, 18:30

    ^^ I was talking about pure sales. Since Attention was a big hit and he scored another top 20 hit, i thought he would be able to sell 150-200k. When you look at that perspective, a non-factor like Christina Aguilera selling the same amount of albums with him is a measure of success imo. Did it smash? Ofc, not. It did what was expected of it after 2 consecutive flop eras.
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    by » Thu January 17th, 2019, 19:05

    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    ^^ I was talking about pure sales. Since Attention was a big hit and he scored another top 20 hit, i thought he would be able to sell 150-200k. When you look at that perspective, a non-factor like Christina Aguilera selling the same amount of albums with him is a measure of success imo. Did it smash? Ofc, not. It did what was expected of it after 2 consecutive flop eras.
    He released his debut album in 2016. Do you really expect huge pure album sales for him? His audience doesn't buy albums - it's like expecting these 90s divas to pull huge streaming numbers.

    Voicenotes is certified Gold by the RIAA while Liberation is not certified anywhere in the world. Not a very good comparison.
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    by » Thu January 17th, 2019, 19:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Instinct
    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    ^^ I was talking about pure sales. Since Attention was a big hit and he scored another top 20 hit, i thought he would be able to sell 150-200k. When you look at that perspective, a non-factor like Christina Aguilera selling the same amount of albums with him is a measure of success imo. Did it smash? Ofc, not. It did what was expected of it after 2 consecutive flop eras.
    He released his debut album in 2016. Do you really expect huge pure album sales for him? His audience doesn't buy albums - it's like expecting these 90s divas to pull huge streaming numbers.

    Voicenotes is certified Gold by the RIAA while Liberation is not certified anywhere in the world. Not a very good comparison.
    Shawn Mendes can sell 250k copies of his album, thought Charlie had the same potential.

    At the end of the day, it's my opinion and everybody's entitled to their own, right? Liberation did ok imo considering it had no hit single, she doesn't have the sales or the streams. Ofc i'm not saying it's a success as well. It did what was expected of it.
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    by » Thu January 17th, 2019, 20:00

    ^
    It’s your opinion and your expectations, of course. But people are entitled to disagree and explain their reasons, though.

    First of all, you claimed the album “did well” and your reason for that was that it has sold the same -on pure sales- than Charlie Puth’s album.
    As I said, comparing albums based on pure sales cannot be an indicative of them doing well or not. Because no one in the industry measures success that way anymore. Not for certifications, not for charts. Sales are low for everyone. Only 1 album sold more than 1 milion copies in US last year. Only 2 sold more than 500k.
    On top of that, there are, also, certain kind of artists like hip-hop or those aimed to a young public, whose pure sales would be really low but their albums would be successesful because of streaming.
    And, also, Charlie’s album underperformed.

    So, avoiding streaming to measure an album performance is like taking into account only physicals when downloads exploded or only vinyls and cassettes when the CD exploded.

    Regarding the album doing what it was expected... Nobody was expecting it to reach Platinum... not even Gold in my case.
    But Lotus was Gold in US. It was at 565k SPS as of last year.
    So, Liberation being only at 130-140k SPS (including video streams) means a 75% decline compared to her previous album. Yes, I know it was 6 years ago, but even in that case, I would have expected a drop from 565k to 300k SPS or so.

    I won’t say it was the flop of 2018 as some have claimed as it clearly wasn’t. Far from it. But I wont say it did what I expected cause I expected more.

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    by » Mon February 11th, 2019, 20:08



    Tickets available / Total Tickets

    31 May: 970/4,600 = 79%
    1 June: 1,259/4,600 = 73%
    5 June: 1,639/4,600 = 64%
    7 June: 1,668/4,600 = 64%
    8 June: 1,569/4,600 = 66%
    13 June: 482/4,600 = 90%
    15 June: 1,526/4,600 = 67%
    16 June: 1,882/4,600 = 59%
    20 Sept: 1,895/4,600 = 59%
    21 Sept: 1,778/4,600 = 61%
    24 Sept: 2,103/4,600 = 54%
    27 Sept: 2,046/4,600 = 56%
    28 Sept: 1,902/4,600 = 59%
    2 Oct: 2,085/4,600 = 55%
    4 Oct: 1,894/4,600 = 59%
    5 Oct: 1,675 /4,600 = 64%


    Total:
    Tickets available / Total Tickets
    26,363 / 73,600 (64% sold out)


    No resale tickets. Only tickets sold by ticketmaster counted.


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    by » Mon February 11th, 2019, 20:10

    Good sales so far. Will sellout for sure (or at least do 95% overall ticket sales). I wonder why June 13th date is so much more popular than the average.

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    by » Mon February 11th, 2019, 20:19

    Quote Originally Posted by beredy View Post
    Good sales so far. Will sellout for sure (or at least do 95% overall ticket sales). I wonder why June 13th date is so much more popular than the average.
    It has two blocks (205 and 206) in grey with only 1 and 3 tickets available respectively. Every other date has more or less all blocks in different tones of blue, meaning more tickets available.
    So probably not all tickets were on sale for some reason on that date and thus why there are less tickets available right now.

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    by » Fri February 22nd, 2019, 02:19

    what are liberation's PURE sales without streams? worldwide?

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    by » Fri February 22nd, 2019, 14:19

    Quote Originally Posted by MimisEmancipation View Post
    what are liberation's PURE sales without streams? worldwide?
    Probably like 140K worldwide.

    Some numbers:

    US - 85K (it was at 82K several weeks ago)
    UK - 6K?
    Germ - 7K?
    France - 2,5K? (it debuted with less than 1K pure sales and I think it left the chart on 2nd or 3rd week)
    Brazil - 6,5K (shipement)
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    by » Fri February 22nd, 2019, 14:36

    ^
    Not that it makes much of a difference but, according to chartdata and posted here (two pages back), it was at 87,000 pure sales in US as of 2/12/2018.
    So probably at 90k by now.

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    by » Fri February 22nd, 2019, 14:50

    Quote Originally Posted by nympho View Post
    ^
    Not that it makes much of a difference but, according to chartdata and posted here (two pages back), it was at 87,000 pure sales in US as of 2/12/2018.
    So probably at 90k by now.
    If it was at 87K a 1,5 week ago then it could be at 88,5K by now. I don't find believable that it has sold 3K pure sales in just 10 days.

    But as you say it's not that much of a difference.
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    by » Fri February 22nd, 2019, 14:53

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLeonix View Post
    If it was at 87K a 1,5 week ago then it could be at 88,5K by now. I don't find believable that it has sold 3K pure sales in just 10 days.

    But as you say it's not that much of a difference.
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    2nd of December 2018.
    Almost three months ago.

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    by » Fri February 22nd, 2019, 14:57

    Quote Originally Posted by nympho View Post
    ?

    2nd of December 2018.
    Almost three months ago.
    I misread it.

    Either way I think I was too generous with my French estimation.
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    by » Sat February 23rd, 2019, 23:36

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLeonix View Post
    I misread it.

    Either way I think I was too generous with my French estimation.
    90K sounds about right... considering youve been banned from this thread before for trolling I doubt you were being generous lol

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    by » Sun February 24th, 2019, 05:09

    She did well with her debut week, wasn't Liberation only a few thousand copies short of outselling Everything Is Love in pure sales? Obviously, she has no streaming power but she could have at least released one more single after the album release just for promotional purposes.

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    by » Sun February 24th, 2019, 09:12

    Quote Originally Posted by MrLeonix View Post
    Probably like 140K worldwide.

    Some numbers:

    US - 85K (it was at 82K several weeks ago)
    UK - 6K?
    Germ - 7K?
    France - 2,5K? (it debuted with less than 1K pure sales and I think it left the chart on 2nd or 3rd week)
    Brazil - 6,5K (shipement)
    A Britney fan like you making up numbers and being banned from Xtina threads for constantly trolling in them. How original. I guess boredom is a common trait within that fanbase considering there's nothing left to stan over there.

    Let's not make up fake numbers either. Liberation was already at 90K in pure sales in the US over a month ago:
    https://twitter.com/chartdata/status...76477060026368

    Overall the era did decently. Great debut numbers, critical acclaim, and decent peaks (Top 10 in 8 countries). Albums like Caution and Head Above Water pale in comparison.

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    by » Sun February 24th, 2019, 12:59

    Listening to this right now, i do think it's handled horribly. Deserve and Masochist should've been singles and they could've had given album decent legs.
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    by » Sun February 24th, 2019, 13:09

    Quote Originally Posted by arin View Post
    A Britney fan like you making up numbers and being banned from Xtina threads for constantly trolling in them. How original. I guess boredom is a common trait within that fanbase considering there's nothing left to stan over there.

    Let's not make up fake numbers either. Liberation was already at 90K in pure sales in the US over a month ago:
    https://twitter.com/chartdata/status...76477060026368

    Overall the era did decently. Great debut numbers, critical acclaim, and decent peaks (Top 10 in 8 countries). Albums like Caution and Head Above Water pale in comparison.
    Except for the fact that HAW will probably outless the whole Liberation era on its first week. You should check her Asian stats before. ;) Even on Spotify HAW will outstream Liberation in less than two weeks from its release.

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    by » Thu March 7th, 2019, 22:30

    according to twitter liberation has crossed the 500k mark worldwide with streams

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    by » Thu March 7th, 2019, 23:00

    Quote Originally Posted by thebestdamnfan View Post
    Except for the fact that HAW will probably outless the whole Liberation era on its first week. You should check her Asian stats before. ;) Even on Spotify HAW will outstream Liberation in less than two weeks from its release.
    Just forget about your so called fake Avril Chinese sales and face the reality. Nobody admits those numbers. She sold even less than 100k worldwide in her first week.

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    by » Thu March 7th, 2019, 23:12

    Quote Originally Posted by ljw200103 View Post
    Just forget about your so called fake Avril Chinese sales and face the reality. Nobody admits those numbers. She sold even less than 100k worldwide in her first week.
    The numbers are real and come from legit music platforms. Nobody? Are you sure?
    Well check this list from IFPI:
    1 Camila Cabello (feat. Young Thug) - Havana 19.0m
    2 Drake - God's Plan 15.3m
    3 Ed Sheeran - Shape Of You 14.9m
    4 Ed Sheeran - Perfect 13.5m
    5 Maroon 5 (feat. Cardi B) - Girls Like You 11.9m
    6 Luis Fonsi (feat. Daddy Yankee) - Despacito 11.8m
    7 Tia Ray - Be Apart 10.9m
    8 The Chainsmokers & Coldplay - Something Just Like This 10.0m
    9 Marshmello & Anne-Marie - FRIENDS 9.6m
    10 Post Malone (feat. Ty Dolla $ign) - Psycho 9.2m
    You know where these 10.9M units of the #7 come from? I'll tell you, they're from the same Chinese streaming/download platforms that Avril is currently smashing. Check your fave stats there instead of trolling.

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    by » Thu March 7th, 2019, 23:20

    It's not included for sure.

    And you should understand those numbers are not the the numbers of sold album copies.

    HAW sales is even worse if it includes those fake numbers.

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    by » Thu March 7th, 2019, 23:23

    Quote Originally Posted by ljw200103 View Post
    It's not included for sure.

    And you should understand those numbers are not the the numbers of sold album copies.

    HAW sales is even worse if it includes those fake numbers.
    You're talking about HAW on Liberation's thread. The global singles chart include streaming/download if this is what you meant. I don't understand your obsession with Avril. Just enjoy you fave music.

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    by » Thu March 7th, 2019, 23:29

    You are the one started fake statement in this thread "HAW will probably outless the whole Liberation era on its first week". Just go back to your Avril thread and live in your dream. Don't turn the facts upside down!

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