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    by » 06-12-18, 11:59

    I still can't believe that there's no single dance remix from the Caution era. She could easily snatch another Billboard #1 on the Dance/Club charts. Her previous dance remixes used to slay...

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    by » 06-12-18, 12:04

    ^^that few trolls are worse than broken record.. keep repeating the same old things.. keep trying and stay pressed.. lmao..
    #CAUTION
    #GIVINGMELIFE

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    by » 06-12-18, 12:22

    Quote Originally Posted by Bad_Bobby2009
    I still can't believe that there's no single dance remix from the Caution era. She could easily snatch another Billboard #1 on the Dance/Club charts. Her previous dance remixes used to slay...
    They are the most useless charts ever though
    Mariah saved Xmas and Gaga is saving Pop and Hollywood.

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    by » 06-12-18, 13:55

    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    Quote Originally Posted by Bad_Bobby2009
    I still can't believe that there's no single dance remix from the Caution era. She could easily snatch another Billboard #1 on the Dance/Club charts. Her previous dance remixes used to slay...
    They are the most useless charts ever though
    I think the Holiday charts are even most useless, but everyone is pointing them out. To have a club hit is not that bad at all.

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    by » 06-12-18, 14:11

    [quote=Bad_Bobby2009]
    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    Quote Originally Posted by "Bad_Bobby2009":rnghpase
    I still can't believe that there's no single dance remix from the Caution era. She could easily snatch another Billboard #1 on the Dance/Club charts. Her previous dance remixes used to slay...
    They are the most useless charts ever though
    I think the Holiday charts are even most useless, but everyone is pointing them out. To have a club hit is not that bad at all.[/quote:rnghpase]

    Holiday charts reflects sales, streaming and airplay.
    There are dozens of holiday songs right now on Spotify 200 and iTunes Charts...
    How are they “useless”?

    Dance Club chart, on the other hand, is based on what a handful DJs across the country say the play... not on what people buy or stream and those charts are full of songs that sell barely zero copies and completely unknown to general public.

    Back in the day, Dance Club Play had some credibility...It’s a joke chart now.
    Billboard Dance/Electronic Songs really shows the popular dance songs that people buy and stream.

    Back to Caution, please.

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    by » 06-12-18, 14:50

    158 +2
    MARIAH CAREY
    With You
    10.613 +0.042

    Hang in there babe :p

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    by » 06-12-18, 18:48

    [quote=nympho]
    Quote Originally Posted by Bad_Bobby2009
    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    Quote Originally Posted by "Bad_Bobby2009":3510cpuh
    I still can't believe that there's no single dance remix from the Caution era. She could easily snatch another Billboard #1 on the Dance/Club charts. Her previous dance remixes used to slay...
    They are the most useless charts ever though
    I think the Holiday charts are even most useless, but everyone is pointing them out. To have a club hit is not that bad at all.
    Holiday charts reflects sales, streaming and airplay.
    There are dozens of holiday songs right now on Spotify 200 and iTunes Charts...
    How are they “useless”?

    Dance Club chart, on the other hand, is based on what a handful DJs across the country say the play... not on what people buy or stream and those charts are full of songs that sell barely zero copies and completely unknown to general public.

    Back in the day, Dance Club Play had some credibility...It’s a joke chart now.
    Billboard Dance/Electronic Songs really shows the popular dance songs that people buy and stream.

    Back to Caution, please.[/quote:3510cpuh]

    A big No No to a chart that pops out of the blue for just like one or two months of the year. The whole Dance/Electronic/Club charts, like any other genre charts, shows what's hot and what's not during the whole year. And that's much more relevant to me.
    I'm a big fan of Mariah's dance bangers and remixes that were slaying the Dance charts not a long time ago. And I'm still hoping for some good remixes of the Caution singles.

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    by » 07-12-18, 01:42

    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    Mariah shouldn't release music close to Christmas period because her new music will always be overshadowed by her Christmas album and songs. She didn't benefit from Q4 sales as well so she'd at least get better peaks with a Q1-Q2 release date.
    I totally agree. She should release an album during 1st or 2nd quarter at the latest.
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    I've learned from the pain
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    "WITH YOU" Mediabase Update

    Hot AC:
    36 32 MARIAH CAREY With You 356 319 +37 0.520

    +7 Spins
    +10 Bullet
    -0.001 Audience

    Adult Contemporary:
    22 21 MARIAH CAREY With You 182 167 +15 1.046

    +5 Spins
    +12 Bullet
    +0.002 Audience

    Urban AC:
    12 10 MARIAH CAREY With You 1276 1176 +100 8.252

    +30 Spins
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    +0.015 Audience

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    by » 07-12-18, 09:08

    Quote Originally Posted by nympho
    PORTUGAL
    22 (New) Caution

    Why is it debuting so late in Portugal?

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    by » 07-12-18, 09:10

    Quote Originally Posted by bm08
    Quote Originally Posted by nympho
    PORTUGAL
    22 (New) Caution

    Why is it debuting so late in Portugal?
    It’s last week position.
    It’s out of chart this week.

    But they updated the website with last two weeks’ charts yesterday.

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    by » 07-12-18, 09:34

    Caution worldwide streaming : Spotify

    12/06/2018
    9,155,175 - +65,768 - GTFO
    6,073,523 - +49,375 - With You
    3,066,234 - +82,071 - Caution
    4,122,976 - +72,924 - A No No
    4,179,614 - +43,296 - The Distance
    1,361,593 - +28,346 - Giving Me Life
    1,100,161 - +23,091 - One Mo' Gen
    1,155,012 - +24,735 - 8th Grade
    1,132,042 - +23,741 - Stay Long Love You
    955,976 - +18,907 - Portrait
    =32,302,306 - +432,254
    She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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    by » 07-12-18, 12:03

    Quote Originally Posted by MrDash
    Caution worldwide streaming : Spotify

    12/06/2018
    9,155,175 - +65,768 - GTFO
    6,073,523 - +49,375 - With You
    3,066,234 - +82,071 - Caution
    4,122,976 - +72,924 - A No No
    4,179,614 - +43,296 - The Distance
    1,361,593 - +28,346 - Giving Me Life
    1,100,161 - +23,091 - One Mo' Gen
    1,155,012 - +24,735 - 8th Grade
    1,132,042 - +23,741 - Stay Long Love You
    955,976 - +18,907 - Portrait
    =32,302,306 - +432,254
    Top 3
    Caution
    A No No
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    by » 07-12-18, 14:11

    Quote Originally Posted by GetBack
    Quote Originally Posted by spiritboy
    Mariah shouldn't release music close to Christmas period because her new music will always be overshadowed by her Christmas album and songs. She didn't benefit from Q4 sales as well so she'd at least get better peaks with a Q1-Q2 release date.
    I totally agree. She should release an album during 1st or 2nd quarter at the latest.
    I was thinking though, with all the attention on AIWFCIY, nobody is reporting Caution’s low sales. They knew These would be the numbers for her. It might have been a good idea to release it just before she gets a yearly (predictable) hit.

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    by » 07-12-18, 18:32

    Caution moved 14,000 units last week.

    Mariah Carey's 'Merry Christmas' Replaces Her Own 'Caution' at No. 1 On Top R&B Albums Chart

    Mariah Carey becomes the first artist to replace herself at No. 1 on the Top R&B Albums chart since its inception in 2012. The diva’s Merry Christmas leaps 4-1 on the ranking dated Dec. 8 and deposes her own LP, Caution, which slips 1-8 in its second week.

    Christmas, released in 1994, earned 24,000 equivalent album units in the week ending Nov. 29, according to Nielsen Music, while Caution netted 14,000 units.

    As Christmas ascends, Carey collects her third leader on the chart, following Me. I Am Mariah…The Elusive Chanteuse, a one-week champ in 2014 and Caution.

    In addition to its Top R&B Albums coronation, Christmas also rallies 24-9 on Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums and 50-19 on the Billboard 200.

    Nearly 25 years after its debut, Christmas consistently remains one of the top performing holiday albums each year, with its success largely traceable to “All I Want for Christmas Is You,” virtually a modern standard in the holiday catalog.

    “All I Want” also makes its annual return to several Billboard charts, including a 29-14 surge on the Billboard Hot 100 and a 30-8 roar on Streaming Songs. The tune also inaugurates this year’s first edition of the seasonal Holiday 100 chart in a familiar spot -- No. 1 -- for its 31st week overall.

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    by » 07-12-18, 18:35

    Wow, that’s actually a decent second week when you consider what most of the vets decline to these days - clearly, the ticket bundles weren’t as prominent (or are more prominent in second week).

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    by » 07-12-18, 18:48

    Quote Originally Posted by brainmaniac
    this is probably the biggest ever flop by major diva
    Pretty much, I think. I cannot even picture Madonna or Celine Dion (divas often compared to Mariah Carey) having these dismal numbers. Unlike Mariah, at least they have a strong fan base in places such as Canada, Latin America and Mainland Europe. It's not only the lack of decent peaks (Me I am Mariah, released in Q2 back in 2014 didn't even chart in the top 10 in most countries, including Japan), it's also the lack of sales. I doubt this will reach 100k any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyshower
    Quote Originally Posted by brainmaniac
    this is probably the biggest ever flop by major diva
    Pretty much, I think. I cannot even picture Madonna or Celine Dion (divas often compared to Mariah Carey) having these dismal numbers. Unlike Mariah, at least they have a strong fan base in places such as Canada, Latin America and Mainland Europe. It's not only the lack of decent peaks (Me I am Mariah, released in Q2 back in 2014 didn't even chart in the top 10 in most countries, including Japan), it's also the lack of sales. I doubt this will reach 100k any time soon.
    it already has. (WW).

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    by » 07-12-18, 19:41

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne
    Wow, that’s actually a decent second week when you consider what most of the vets decline to these days - clearly, the ticket bundles weren’t as prominent (or are more prominent in second week).
    Indeed!

    Only a 72,5% drop...
    The new normal is around 80%... and we usually see divas with 85-90% fall.

    So better than expected.
    It should stay in BB200 a 3rd week.

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    by » 07-12-18, 20:13

    Do we know its position in the Top 200 yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasualFlow
    Do we know its position in the Top 200 yet?
    No.

    3 days later, and Billboard is still figuring out how to solve the 6ix9ine vs. Travis Scott mess.

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    by » 07-12-18, 20:42

    The second weeks sales were decent. I think it proves that the promotion she did across tv and radio during release week helped to get the message out that she had a new album and stabilize sales a bit even if it was simply to get some ticket bundle redemptions.

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    by » 07-12-18, 20:59

    Quote Originally Posted by nympho
    Quote Originally Posted by CasualFlow
    Do we know its position in the Top 200 yet?
    No.

    3 days later, and Billboard is still figuring out how to solve the 6ix9ine vs. Travis Scott mess.
    What a mess!

    Looking at the R&B Albums and R&B Album Sales chart positions for Caution (No. 1 to 8 drop vs No. 1 to 2) gives an idea of how streaming is impacting her chart position for the first time in her 15 albums. I see that the broader R&B/Hip-Hop Album Sales chart has her dropping only 1 - 4 in week two, but you know it's going to be much more dramatic on overall Top R&B/Hip-Hop Album Billboard 200 charts. We're waiting on both of those charts right?

    Actually, I guess streaming isn't impacting her album chart position for the first time. Merry Christmas is benefiting in the other direction. It's weird and conflicting how I'm enjoying how streaming is pushing Merry Christmas to new heights on the album charts but hating how the lack of it is pushing Caution down faster in the other direction. Leave it to Mariah and her fans to have it both ways.

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    by » 07-12-18, 21:08

    Quote Originally Posted by Eamon
    The second weeks sales were decent. I think it proves that the promotion she did across tv and radio during release week helped to get the message out that she had a new album and stabilize sales a bit even if it was simply to get some ticket bundle redemptions.
    Yep. About what I was hoping for and about double what I was prepared for.

    I'm most interested in Week 3 sales and if there's any life-after-Christmas for the album.

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