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    by Wed May 15th, 2019, 07:41

    Quote Originally Posted by Clown10 View Post
    Thanks to the concert/album bundle . Without it, wonder how many would actually buy it.
    Probably the same Mariah is not a touring force so she didn't benefit as much.

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    by Wed May 15th, 2019, 08:34

    Quote Originally Posted by Clown10 View Post
    Thanks to the concert/album bundle . Without it, wonder how many would actually buy it.
    That argument can be used for the pure sales of a lot of albums released nowadays.

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    by Wed May 15th, 2019, 10:54

    Caution worldwide streaming : SPOTIFY

    Tuesday (05/14/2019)

    # Title Plays Daily increase
    1. GTFO 13,635,832 +17,921
    2. With You 10,415,205 +16,365
    3. Caution 8,247,373 +12,178
    4. A No No 11,345,354 +26,139
    5. The Distance 6,970,113 +10,107
    6. Giving Me Life 3,380,967 +7,807
    7. One Mo' Gen 2,614,961 +5,844
    8. 8th Grade 2,871,865 +6,798
    9. Stay Long Love You 2,682,230 +6,098
    10. Portrait 2,245,067 +5,266
    TOTAL 64,408,967 +114,523
    She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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    by Wed May 15th, 2019, 11:13

    Quote Originally Posted by Clown10 View Post
    Thanks to the concert/album bundle . Without it, wonder how many would actually buy it.
    A sale is a sale

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    by Wed May 15th, 2019, 11:20

    As if Mariah is the only one doing ticket bundles these days.
    make me....move

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    by Wed May 15th, 2019, 12:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Clown10 View Post
    Thanks to the concert/album bundle . Without it, wonder how many would actually buy it.


    Well not everyone with the tickets redeemed their copy. Probably less than 10pc of them so it has done ok for this environment

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    by Wed May 15th, 2019, 13:20

    It irks me that AIWFCIY is currently charting in 18 countries on Itunes. I mean, it's basically summer... and people - altho sales are tiny - are purchasing that song over any of her new material.

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    by Thu May 16th, 2019, 11:10

    Caution worldwide streaming : SPOTIFY

    Wednesday (05/15/2019)

    # Title Plays Daily increase
    1. GTFO 13,654,013 +18,181
    2. With You 10,431,666 +16,461
    3. Caution 8,259,758 +12,385
    4. A No No 11,370,939 +25,585
    5. The Distance 6,980,525 +10,412
    6. Giving Me Life 3,389,048 +8,081
    7. One Mo' Gen 2,620,803 +5,842
    8. 8th Grade 2,878,659 +6,794
    9. Stay Long Love You 2,688,348 +6,118
    10. Portrait 2,250,369 +5,302
    TOTAL 64,524,128 +115,161
    She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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    by Fri May 17th, 2019, 12:15

    Quote Originally Posted by stevyy View Post
    It irks me that AIWFCIY is currently charting in 18 countries on Itunes. I mean, it's basically summer... and people - altho sales are tiny - are purchasing that song over any of her new material.
    Why is this irksome? Its a standout song in her catalog. Hopefully we begin seeing this show up on streaming charts year long too and not just itunes.

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    by Fri May 17th, 2019, 13:19

    Caution worldwide streaming : SPOTIFY

    Thursday (05/16/2019)

    # Title Plays Daily increase
    1. GTFO 13,671,897 +17,884
    2. With You 10,449,000 +17,334
    3. Caution 8,272,863 +13,105
    4. A No No 11,398,033 +27,094
    5. The Distance 6,991,293 +10,768
    6. Giving Me Life 3,397,363 +8,315
    7. One Mo' Gen 2,626,761 +5,958
    8. 8th Grade 2,885,678 +7,019
    9. Stay Long Love You 2,694,678 +6,330
    10. Portrait 2,256,137 +5,768
    TOTAL 64,643,703 +119,575
    She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 08:48

    Caution worldwide streaming : SPOTIFY

    Friday (05/17/2019)

    # Title Plays Daily increase
    1. GTFO 13,689,208 +17,311
    2. With You 10,464,975 +15,975
    3. Caution 8,285,200 +12,337
    4. A No No 11,424,263 +26,230
    5. The Distance 7,001,546 +10,253
    6. Giving Me Life 3,405,098 +7,735
    7. One Mo' Gen 2,632,477 +5,716
    8. 8th Grade 2,892,559 +6,881
    9. Stay Long Love You 2,700,574 +5,896
    10. Portrait 2,261,395 +5,258
    TOTAL 64,757,295 +113,592
    She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 11:24

    Youtube:

    Music Videos: (21,357,335)
    8,538,966 - +37,417 - GTFO
    8,089,301 - +92,974 - With You
    4,729,068 - +74,728 - A No No

    Remix Videos: (1,234,830)
    879,465 - +18,767 - A No No ft. Stefflon Don
    355,365 - +12,697 - A No No ft. Shawni

    Lyric Videos: (1,264,472)
    644,603 - +5,817 - The Distance
    619,869 - +3,892 - A No No

    Audio Videos: (9,607,342)
    2,345,726 - +10,963 - A No No
    1,752,657 - +17,185 - Caution
    1,334,949 - +12,450 - 8th Grade
    1,190,587 - +11,191 - Giving Me Life
    764,631 - +7,739 - One Mo' Gen
    689,814 - +5,634 - Stay Long Love You
    644,318 - +5,282 - Portrait
    449,651 - +5,342 - The Distance
    266,828 - +3,206 - With You
    168,181 - +2,781 - GTFO

    Audio Videos Remixes (302,993)
    228,594 - +1,386 - A No No ft. Stefflon Don
    74,399 - +3,282 - A No No ft. Shawni

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 11:43

    Quote Originally Posted by MrDash View Post
    Caution worldwide streaming : SPOTIFY

    Friday (05/17/2019)

    # Title Plays Daily increase
    1. GTFO 13,689,208 +17,311
    2. With You 10,464,975 +15,975
    3. Caution 8,285,200 +12,337
    4. A No No 11,424,263 +26,230
    5. The Distance 7,001,546 +10,253
    6. Giving Me Life 3,405,098 +7,735
    7. One Mo' Gen 2,632,477 +5,716
    8. 8th Grade 2,892,559 +6,881
    9. Stay Long Love You 2,700,574 +5,896
    10. Portrait 2,261,395 +5,258
    TOTAL 64,757,295 +113,592
    Basically, as of now, Caution has been streamed 100m times on both Spotify and Youtube, which amounts to around 66,000 copies sold WW through streaming alone. Does anyone know its streaming figures on services like Apple Music, Tidal and Pandora?

    Also, how much has she sold worldwide in terms of pure sales?
    Last edited by charmxriah; Sat May 18th, 2019 at 11:56.

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 13:54

    My estimation: worldwide sales

    220,000 - SPS
    140,000 - Pure

    Which makes Caution her lowest selling release to date:

    Pure sales:

    1990s: 121,600,000
    14,0m - Debut
    08,1m - Emotions
    06,5m - MTV Unplugged
    26,0m - Music Box
    13,5m - Merry Christmas
    20,0m - Daydream
    10,0m - Butterfly
    16,0m - #1's
    07,5m - Rainbow

    2000s: 23,500,000
    02,0m - Glitter
    04,5m - Greatest Hits
    03,0m - Charmbracelet
    00,5m - The Remixes
    09,0m - TEOM
    02,5m - E=MC
    01,0m - Ballads
    01,0m - Memoirs

    2010s: 2,000,000
    01,0m - Merry Christmas II You
    00,1m - Playlist: TVBOMC
    00,2m - Essential
    00,3m - MIAMTEC
    00,3m - #1 to Infinity
    00,1m - Caution

    = 147,100,000

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 15:34

    Quote Originally Posted by stevyy View Post
    My estimation: worldwide sales

    220,000 - SPS
    140,000 - Pure

    Which makes Caution her lowest selling release to date:

    Pure sales:

    1990s: 121,600,000
    14,0m - Debut
    08,1m - Emotions
    06,5m - MTV Unplugged
    26,0m - Music Box
    13,5m - Merry Christmas
    20,0m - Daydream
    10,0m - Butterfly
    16,0m - #1's
    07,5m - Rainbow

    2000s: 23,500,000
    02,0m - Glitter
    04,5m - Greatest Hits
    03,0m - Charmbracelet
    00,5m - The Remixes
    09,0m - TEOM
    02,5m - E=MC
    01,0m - Ballads
    01,0m - Memoirs

    2010s: 2,000,000
    01,0m - Merry Christmas II You
    00,1m - Playlist: TVBOMC
    00,2m - Essential
    00,3m - MIAMTEC
    00,3m - #1 to Infinity
    00,1m - Caution

    = 147,100,000
    I agree completely, though you are admittedly under-estimating a lot of Mariah's album sales in the 90s

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 15:48

    Based on information from Billboard and Wikipedia (which is itself sourced): WW Sales

    90s: 131m albums

    15m - Debut
    8m - Emotions
    7m - MTV Unplugged
    32m - Music Box ((as reported by Billboard Magazine in 2011 (link below) - even Mariah has said its sold in the 30m region)
    15m - Merry Christmas
    20m - Daydream
    10m - Butterfly
    16m - #1s
    8m - Rainbow

    2000s: 26m albums

    2m - Glitter
    5m - Greatest Hits
    2.5m - Charmbracelet
    12m - TEOM
    2.5m - E=MC2
    2m - Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel

    2010s: 2m

    1m - Merry Xmas II You
    0.3m - Me I am Mariah
    0.3m - #1 to Infinity
    circa 0.2m - Caution
    0.2m - All other compilation albums released this decade

    Total album sales - 160m

    (https://books.google.com.lb/books?id...dwide&hl=en&sa)

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 15:54

    Quote Originally Posted by charmxriah View Post
    Based on information from Billboard and Wikipedia (which is itself sourced): WW Sales

    90s: 131m albums

    15m - Debut
    8m - Emotions
    7m - MTV Unplugged
    32m - Music Box ((as reported by Billboard Magazine in 2011 (link below) - even Mariah has said its sold in the 30m region)
    15m - Merry Christmas
    20m - Daydream
    10m - Butterfly
    16m - #1s
    8m - Rainbow

    2000s: 26m albums

    2m - Glitter
    5m - Greatest Hits
    2.5m - Charmbracelet
    12m - TEOM
    2.5m - E=MC2
    2m - Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel

    2010s: 2m

    1m - Merry Xmas II You
    0.3m - Me I am Mariah
    0.3m - #1 to Infinity
    circa 0.2m - Caution
    0.2m - All other compilation albums released this decade

    Total album sales - 160m

    (https://books.google.com.lb/books?id...dwide&hl=en&sa)
    The sales figures listed here aren't sourced in terms of the album sales and under-estimate them when compared to her actual reported sales (https://mariah-charts-and-sales.jimdo.com), but her singles sales seem accurate, though AIWFCIY has been under-estimated by at least 6m copies!

    Factoring that in, she's sold around 93m singles (95m including music video sales)

    That puts Mariah's total record sales (not inc streaming) at 255m records sold ww

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    by Sat May 18th, 2019, 18:01

    The thing with her albums sales is that the only organization which can provide global albums sales, never gives comprehensive sales totals for albums. The IFPI is the only credible source for worldwide sales.

    Billboard is not at all credible when they are giving global estimates. They're often way too high and not verifyable.

    Labels often give numbers which are not based on reality... That 12m figure for TEOM is one of those. 12m copies... while only 6,2 million come from the USA is laughable. All in all one can say that the album sold between 1,2-1,4m in Europe (at the very most) and probably 800/900k in all of Asia (based on information we have).

    Unverifyable sales from China et al are pure fiction at this point. The label claims sales 200k for China which I think might be quite reasonable and which are included in my 800k/900k total estimation for the continent.

    Estimating her global singles sales is even worse because catalogue updates are old and we cannot estimate European sales because most markets never released figures.

    I would agree though with the 90m estimate on singles sales... (well I have her at 85m max). But we have to be aware that 65% of those sales are digital downloads. She wasn't a huge seller during the physical ages. She did OK tho.

    As for the Caution songs... I would estimate: (globally)

    55,000 - GTFO
    35,000 - With You
    15,000 - A No No
    10,000 - Rest of the Album

    = 115,000 all 10 tracks combined. By comparison AIWFCIY sold 75,000+ just in the US last season.

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    by Sun May 19th, 2019, 09:56

    Caution worldwide streaming : SPOTIFY

    Saturday (05/18/2019)

    # Title Plays Daily increase
    1. GTFO 13,705,569 +16,361
    2. With You 10,478,978 +14,003
    3. Caution 8,296,041 +10,841
    4. A No No 11,447,701 +23,438
    5. The Distance 7,010,184 +8,638
    6. Giving Me Life 3,411,789 +6,691
    7. One Mo' Gen 2,637,425 +4,948
    8. 8th Grade 2,898,284 +5,725
    9. Stay Long Love You 2,705,633 +5,059
    10. Portrait 2,265,856 +4,461
    TOTAL 64,857,460 +100,165
    She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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    by Sun May 19th, 2019, 10:34

    ANN is so stable. WY is the most stable on youtube tho.

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    by Mon May 20th, 2019, 15:11

    Caution worldwide streaming : SPOTIFY

    Sunday (05/19/2019)

    # Title Plays Daily increase
    1. GTFO 13,719,820 +14,251
    2. With You 10,491,857 +12,879
    3. Caution 8,305,871 +9,830
    4. A No No 11,468,304 +20,603
    5. The Distance 7,018,462 +8,278
    6. Giving Me Life 3,418,077 +6,288
    7. One Mo' Gen 2,642,030 +4,605
    8. 8th Grade 2,903,671 +5,387
    9. Stay Long Love You 2,710,718 +5,085
    10. Portrait 2,270,049 +4,193
    TOTAL 64,948,859 +91,399
    She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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    by Mon May 20th, 2019, 18:50

    why there is only 10 tracks ? more songs mean more sales

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    by Mon May 20th, 2019, 21:34

    Because she wanted to release an album with these 10 tracks? And she's not a streaming force so I don't think it would make a difference.

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    by Yesterday, 01:08

    Quote Originally Posted by charmxriah View Post
    Based on information from Billboard and Wikipedia (which is itself sourced): WW Sales

    90s: 131m albums

    15m - Debut
    8m - Emotions
    7m - MTV Unplugged
    32m - Music Box ((as reported by Billboard Magazine in 2011 (link below) - even Mariah has said its sold in the 30m region)
    15m - Merry Christmas
    20m - Daydream
    10m - Butterfly
    16m - #1s
    8m - Rainbow

    2000s: 26m albums

    2m - Glitter
    5m - Greatest Hits
    2.5m - Charmbracelet
    12m - TEOM
    2.5m - E=MC2
    2m - Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel

    2010s: 2m

    1m - Merry Xmas II You
    0.3m - Me I am Mariah
    0.3m - #1 to Infinity
    circa 0.2m - Caution
    0.2m - All other compilation albums released this decade

    Total album sales - 160m

    (https://books.google.com.lb/books?id...dwide&hl=en&sa)

    Not that it matters or changes the numbers much, but where did "Memoirs" sell around 1,3 million outside US (560,000) and UK (60,000)? I think the ww sales are probably between 0.9 and 1 million.

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    by Yesterday, 08:27

    Billboard R&B Albums Sales
    11 (11) 26 Caution

    Billboard R&B/Hip-Hop Albums Sales
    27 (28) 26 Caution - Mariah Carey

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