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    by » 13-03-19, 10:34

    I think at this point we all know where we each personally stand and no one here is going to convince anyone else what they chose to believe - because at the end of the day, we are choosing to believe or not.

    Whether you believe them or not, I find it interesting the chose to release this documentary whilst a court appeal is pending as to whether they can claim damages or not. That in itself is a choice, and in that respect, I believe it is trial by media to strengthen their case - and I don’t support trial by media in the slightest.

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    by » 13-03-19, 19:47

    Quote Originally Posted by biscuits View Post
    I haven’t personally offended anybody with a direct attack on them. I have talked only about the MJ allegations (nothing about anybody’s personal life and nothing about any other child abuse case). If somebody has been offended by something I said, it’s been unintentional and indirect, and I’ve tried my best to explain myself so people don’t feel offended. Everything I’ve said is about MJ allegation, never general statements about abuse victims.

    But to say directly ‘you should never have children because you will allow them be abused’ has got to be one of the most offensive and ignorant things I’ve read. It’s actually made me feel sick to come online, but I’ll leave it there. I should take a break from this place.
    So you think it's okay to have different rules for MJ? I think it's offensive to anyone who has ever been abused to say it's okay as long as the abuser outweighs the bad with good. That's what made me sick and made me react that way. I am a teacher of primary school children and to see people talk so lightly about abuse or to try to make it okay, because someone is also doing good, is beyond me.
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    by » 13-03-19, 19:57

    Quote Originally Posted by RayRay View Post
    So you think it's okay to have different rules for MJ? I think it's offensive to anyone who has ever been abused to say it's okay as long as the abuser outweighs the bad with good. That's what made me sick and made me react that way. I am a teacher of primary school children and to see people talk so lightly about abuse or to try to make it okay, because someone is also doing good, is beyond me.
    That way of thinking is very disturbing, that the good he made outweights the bad...smh!
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    by » 13-03-19, 22:27

    thanks for the articles, Ray. Now I'm even more firm in my knowing that he was innocent.

    Why? Because once more these articles leave out how Jordan Chandler comes to his claims. (which he has recanted).

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    by » 13-03-19, 23:39

    Quote Originally Posted by RayRay View Post
    So you think it's okay to have different rules for MJ? I think it's offensive to anyone who has ever been abused to say it's okay as long as the abuser outweighs the bad with good. That's what made me sick and made me react that way. I am a teacher of primary school children and to see people talk so lightly about abuse or to try to make it okay, because someone is also doing good, is beyond me.

    Well you mustn’t have read my explanation afterwards where I tried to rephrase what I said. It’s hard to completely ignore all of the good things he did.

    I’m not saying there should be different rules for anybody. Instead I am focusing on only this case, as each case is unique. I am staying on-topic of MJ instead of generalising abuse.

    Anyway, just like with MJ, you’re going to ignore any explanation and act sanctimonious instead. I don’t think I will get an apology for the things you said, which is disappointing.

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    by » 14-03-19, 00:51

    Any article that presents as facts that found child pornography in his house and that jordan was right in his description of jackson's penis loses all kinds of credibility.

    I forgot to add those who talk about the economic agreement with the Jordans and do not clarify that it was only in the civil trial and that it did not affect the criminal trial, since the parents of the child preferred to go first through the civil trial (demonstrating what was the objective of everything) and it was dangerous for Jackson's lawyers to show their defense knowing that the plaintiffs could file a complaint around it, so dangerous that the laws were changed and now it is mandatory to go first for the criminal trial and then for the civil in this type of complaints.

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    by » 14-03-19, 06:04

    ^What about this new German guy that has a signed book with nude boys that was signed by Michael? The detective that was quoted is also telling what they found on film. It's not made up by some magazine.
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    by » 14-03-19, 06:30

    The Simpsons producer is now saying MJ did his guest feature to groom children. That’s the dumbest thing I have read on this entire farce.

    The same could be said for every single guest star. And MJ didn’t even appear in the episode and was credited under a pseudonym. The Simpsons deserves to be the flop it is today if the producer is this stupid.

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    by » 14-03-19, 06:39

    ^ What an idiot. It's not like MJ wrote the episode. These idiots are doing and saying all kinds of dumb things about MJ to get in everyone's good books.

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    by » 14-03-19, 06:41

    Yes, I think The Simpsons is trying desperately hard to be popular and relevant again.

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    by » 14-03-19, 07:36

    Honestly, everyone is losing their time here.
    All of this has been discussed before. "New evidence" is just a new iteration of previous one.
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    by » 14-03-19, 08:32

    Quote Originally Posted by RayRay View Post
    So you think it's okay to have different rules for MJ? I think it's offensive to anyone who has ever been abused to say it's okay as long as the abuser outweighs the bad with good. That's what made me sick and made me react that way. I am a teacher of primary school children and to see people talk so lightly about abuse or to try to make it okay, because someone is also doing good, is beyond me.
    I think you're just deliberately choosing to misunderstand what Biscuits said and actually even took time to clarify shortly afterwards

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    by » 14-03-19, 08:38

    Thank you hunny. Just like people have a vendetta against MJ, some people have one against me.

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    by » 14-03-19, 10:38

    I don't know why @RayRay is trying to convince us to believe MJ is guilty party here, if he believes the victims, fine. But i don't believe a single word they say and i'm not a MJ stan.
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    by » 14-03-19, 10:56

    I think meninme said it best. People have already picked a side and they won’t budge

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    by » 14-03-19, 11:39

    What affects my judgement also is the sheer amount of trial-by-media that is going and all those holier than hell celebs and news anchors who have a feeling and who are presenting them as facts without knowing any facts or twisting those that are there.

    Oprah's stance on it made me so angry... I have already deleted her from my knowing of her.

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    by » 14-03-19, 11:47

    Ms. Safechuck said she was SO HAPPY when MJ died because it meant he could never hurt another child.

    But wait, James told her about the abuse in 2013. In 2009, she loved MJ and completely believed in his innocence.

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    by » 14-03-19, 16:43

    Wade Robson said Brett Barnes was abused.
    Brett Barnes said he was never abused.

    One of them is lying. My bet is on the guy who has changed his story a dozen times in the past 20 years and referred to himself as the ‘Master of Deception’. The guy who tried to get a book published and was told by a judge that his accusations were ludicrous.

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    by » 14-03-19, 16:58

    Quote Originally Posted by Westen View Post
    Gonna quote this again.

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    by » 14-03-19, 16:58

    Quote Originally Posted by biscuits View Post
    Wade Robson said Brett Barnes was abused.
    Brett Barnes said he was never abused.

    One of them is lying. My bet is on the guy who has changed his story a dozen times in the past 20 years and referred to himself as the ‘Master of Deception’. The guy who tried to get a book published and was told by a judge that his accusations were ludicrous.
    MJ stans clinging to Wade Robson won't change the fact that 5-7 other kids also accused that pedophile. It won't change the fact that people who worked on pedophile's defense are in jail now for threatening witnesses, getting rid of evidences etc. It won't change the fact that pedophile paid millions to the families outside of curt.

    I can't tell what's worse excuse coming from MJ stans 'books with child pornography are not against the law' or 'Wade Robson lied so other victims are not relevant'.

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    by » 14-03-19, 17:39

    Anything using the Sun as a reference shouldn’t be taken seriously.

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    by » 14-03-19, 17:48

    Quote Originally Posted by Musicology View Post
    Anything using the Sun as a reference shouldn’t be taken seriously.
    You literally have document of it on FBI website. But you chose to ignore it. Says a lot.

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    by » 14-03-19, 19:32

    Quote Originally Posted by biscuits View Post
    Ms. Safechuck said she was SO HAPPY when MJ died because it meant he could never hurt another child.

    But wait, James told her about the abuse in 2013. In 2009, she loved MJ and completely believed in his innocence.
    This is exactly why I don't believe all those videos stans post. He told her he didn't want to testify in support of MJ in the Gavin case, because Michael was evil. So his mother drew her own conclusions way before James really told her.
    I can understand stans want to bend things that are said, but in the end most people that have seen the full four hour documentary can't be persuaded in believing those stan videos.
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