Feedback & Suggestion Thread

[bm08]

This thread is dedicated to your feedback and suggestions that are raised about MariahMix. In this opening post, you will see issues that may have already been raised.

Pre-Launch Comments/Concerns/Suggestions

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General Praise

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Yas @ MariahMix

MariahMix
Great idea!
your faves could NEVER!
© SINS

This is a great idea honestly, it's gonna be amazing

Great idea guys ! #MariahMix

Yasss MariahMix!! I think I'll be a premium user, I need the block button lol

Yeah, I think I'mma be one of the Premiums as well.

Honestly, I cannot wait for the new UKMIX to become a reality.

It will be a whole new experience @thelambs. Let's be open and constructive.

This site has become my family. I have the browser on 24/7/365 and refresh browser religiously. I love the idea of MariahMix and my $12 is ready to be spent.

Yeah I consider this place essential to my day. Love you all! Love the idea of MariahMix :-)

I spent $30 on Glitter last year, $12 is not a problem (+ the premium thing is totally optional). This is a very festive yet opinionated lamb community, IE perfect.

Moderation Concerns

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Will the mods be just as quick to ban an offending premium user as they would a non-premium user? Remember back when MCIIY leaked and all the lambs started sharing individual tracks on here and we had a lot of bans? It's going to put the moderating team in an awkward situation if something widespread again like that occured and a lot of the members are paying ones.

A lot of topics like this won’t get enough consistent activity and get archived after 2 weeks. That’s also way too short of a time by the way for automatic archiving. Some topics won’t be that active but will still always be relevant. If mods see that a thread that’s outlived its usefulness then they could just resolve it.

Premium and non-premium features

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Hmmm I'm not so sure about the idea of a premium service.

I get that the Mariah fans bring a lot of traffic to the site which raises running costs. But it seems like the UKmix team don't like how big the Mariah community is on here. It's kind of like - let's put them in their own exclusive little corner and let them pay for it. I understand it's optional, but I'm a bit uneasy about the potential hierarchy this could create between premium and non-premium users.

Wayne also stated that premium users will "drive the discussion". That sounds like an unfair system to me. I know it's only $12 a year, but what I don't get is why the Mariah fans are seemingly being targeted.

"Standard users won't be able to open new topics"

With this segregation you're forming 1 big clique, who will then decide the talking points, empowering them to shut down standard users they don't agree with

I think you are overthinking it. Everyone will be able to contribute to topics created, and I'm sure moderation will remain as it has been. With this in mind, non-lambs are not being cut out of the discussion, nor are non-premium members. As long as a general discussion thread of some form exists, non-premium members will be able to trigger conversation the same as they do today.

Opening new topics really should be open to all posters. That’s just essential to most forums. Who would join a forum where they can’t even do something so basic that other forums will let them do? Premium features should be actually special features and not features that are normally standard sold back to users. If opening new threads is a special privilege that you have to pay for, people will just try getting around it anyway by posting off-topic in existing threads, non premium members PMing premium members to open up new threads for them, etc.

It sounds like a partial reason is for quality control, but I bet you would be surprised at how many people who display troll-like behavior or are consistently off-topic will pay the yearly fee so they can get more attention. It would make more sense to me if opening new topics is possible for everyone with over 100 or so posts (so they understand the rules at that point).

Maybe the idea of premium members creating new topics should be scrapped entirely. Maybe only mods should create new topics (say for when a new "era" comes along). I know vbulletin supports banners for premium accounts (at least a few work related forums I belong to have these banners), It's a nice perk for being premium (and it actively encourages more members to go premium ).

Wider UKMIX Community

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And what about the other fan groups, won't they start to feel neglected/left out? UKmix has always insisted that this is not a Mariah forum nor a fan page for any individual artist...but now they're going to create a mini Mariah forum??

MariahMix will drive out fans of other artists, when the opposite should be focussed on.

With MariahMix I guess fans of other artists will be revealed it has its own section. So it is a win-win really.

If anything, this will help bolster participation from non-lambs. Might help to attract new lambs to the site, which is always good.

Sounds good to me, they get my $12.

MariahMix was such a divisive topic. There didn't seem to be a consensus about it when we talked but the site owners did lean towards having it so I guess they're just gonna go and run with it. There were certaintly great arguments both pro and contra (and neither one was against Mariah, but as a concept as whole just so you know there wasn't any shadenbeing thrown).

Potential Topic Areas

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I think it is a step forward. Now nobody can open topics about Mariah as everything is posted in this thread. When you have a busy week, you have to read loads of pages and don't know where you have to start.
With more topics on Mariah you can easily find the ones you are really interested in.

The people surveyed have probably been using the site for years and are dedicated enough to know they’ll stick around for 1 year or more after paying for premium. But newer less dedicated users like me have niche topics in mind too that they will want to open threads on. I would love threads just specifically on Mariah’s musical influences, songs MC has sampled, her singing technique, etc.

This thread is the fastest on the internet in terms of Mariah news...

On MariahMix we should keep the amount of threads small...

like:

.- Charts Thread
.- News Thread
.- Mariah Gifs / Pictures Thread
.- Caution Thread
.- General Thread
.- Polling Thread
.- Survivors / Games Thread

Maybe add a thread for each album/era, the older ones will likely get some posts too (eventually).

The news thread with just articles/information and no "free chat" would be a god send with how fast the general thread moves.

Alternative Options

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There is potential for this to be good though and I do hope that it works out for everyone. I can't help but think that a better way of approaching this would be to monetise the forum through a sensible level of advertisements with the option of paying to remove these and then maybe a few more features. That seems like a fairer system for all.

All you had to do was adding a donation option, update the functionality and start attracting other fan bases

I don't think a donation option would work. How often would you donate and how much?

Very excited about the idea of MariahMix but please look harder at other big successful forums and how they operate. Mcph is right that FOMM is dead for a reason. A big reason why this thread works now is because even though it’s cramped it is consistently active, so you know your post will be read and responded to and there’s always something new to read. If all of the current posts are spread across 30+ threads then the forum will start to feel dead. For MariahMix to feel alive as a forum it needs to grow.

Other concerns

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What else is there to talk about that we haven’t been able to talk about in this thread?

I think the intentions are good, but it’s a little silly to pay $12 for a second Mariah Carey thread.

Post-Launch Comments/Concerns/Suggestions

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Thread Creation

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I suggest there should be rules about creating a new topic. We are few hours in, and this place already is becoming a mess. For instance - "Caution era" would be better as "[ERA] Caution" or something like that or "Saudi Arabia show" - "[CONCERT] Saudi Arabia"

Feels weird to have multiple threads and not just one

it's more organized this way.

the Mariah thread moves too fast!
information and news gets lost.

With this new layout you can easily find what you seek.

Hello everyone. I am loving everything so far. Very organized. Bopping to Caution now.

Could anybody has the authority put the thread for Chart and Sales of Mariah here please? It would be so great to have everything here. Thanks.

I don't know why that hasn't been done. Kind of beats the purpose of having MariahMix if main threads stay where they are.

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If this thread will close, I think there should at least be a General News/Updates thread for more causal posters who like everything in one simple place.

this thread needs to stay. It remains the go to thread for news.

Ahhh, can you feel the breathing room :-)

Good job on the update, the Mariah thread had been overstretched for years and a seperate forum is just what was needed bringing it back to the old days.

Agree this thread should absolutely stay, I imagined it would just be a 'general discussion' but maybe news, chart updates etc. though any big news will want it's own thread.

Don't touch the main thread!
There's a big bunch of us who only follow this thread, plus all those more or less regular non-participating readers.
Thanks!

i agree this thread should stay.
therefore, this thread should be called "General discussion"

and any big news/big topics deserves it's own thread

This is the only thread I read, for the most part, I don't have time to read 60 different threads just because a new topic has been open. Once in awhile I check others, but this is the main one I'd go to for news and updates.

whist I agree to keep this thread, I disagree about having 1 thread for everything.

Last December this thread became a mess with several simultaneous discussions!

There was posts about AIWFCIY chart updates, games for ranking Caution tracks, news about ANN remix, videos from Christmas concerts, album reviews for caution......
Surely, each of these topics deserved it's own thread.

it's difficult reading through 20+ NEW pages, filtering information to find updates that you seek.

I don’t get the urge of trying to change everything. Members were/are happy with MC’s general thread.

This MariahMix is BS. We only need one general thread.

Ok. Sooooo some feedback for the moderators. Idk if it’s just me but, it’s hard to find mariahmix starting from google. Also it takes quite some clicks to get this page in the acceptable layout. It’s not that mobile friendly.

i feel like mariahmix needs a banter on the front page. If the community stays this hidden, I feel like it’s going to die soon.

Congratz on the migration though!

I agree it's difficult to find "MariahMix"

when UKMIX re-opened, I naturally went to General Artists discussion to find the Mariah thread, which did not exist.

only after Wayne told me where it was located, did I find it.

I feel there needs to be a "sticky" in general artists discussion to re-direct people to this new section.

this announcement doesn't need to be permanent, just a couple weeks so that regular lambs can update their bookmarks

as a suggestion, instead of having "MariahMix" as a tab underneath the banner.
just include "MariahMix" in the main music forum, underneath General artist discussion

it will be more visible this way

My fear is that it won't be enough. This forum never just lived on regular fans. It needs that big flock of random visitors that generated not only views but also a thriving creative community based on a constant influx of newcomers.

I don’t want to be a party pooper but I have to say the same. I actually liked scrolling through posts from the day to see what was going on in one thread, and I think it’s why this became popular as a Mariah forum as opposed to pulse etc.

My fear is that it won't be enough. This forum never just lived on regular fans. It needs that big flock of random visitors that generated not only views but also a thriving creative community based on a constant influx of newcomers.

I don’t want to be a party pooper but I have to say the same. I actually liked scrolling through posts from the day to see what was going on in one thread, and I think it’s why this became popular as a Mariah forum as opposed to pulse etc.

I understand and definitely agree that an overall change on the site was long overdue, but wow.... if you wanted to basically kill this thread’s crazy activity, mission accomplished. Welp!

Dedicating an entire forum to Mariah and by extension separating it into sub-topics (A No No remix, Mariah tours, Mariah gallery etc.) minimized the activity even more. I’d rather not MariahMix and have this thread moved back to the General Artists Discussion section tbh. Having one long thread was much more convenient for me.

Just my opinion. If that doesn’t happen eventually, and I’d get that too, no biggie.

I hate that there are so many sub-topics, and a couple of them are kind of redundant - "CAUTION", "CAUTION TOUR, "A NO NO". I ain't got time to navigate through the posts in all of them.

It's just so much better for me to see everything in one thread.

I agree. In theory, Mariahmix sounded like a good idea. But I feel it has definitely taken from what made Mariah’s thread on UKmix so popular. Yes there might be multiple discussions going on that were overlapping but it was so handy to be able to follow just one thread with all the updates, reactions, discussion all confined to the one place.

I do appreciate the moderator’s efforts to recognize the popularity of the Mariah thread on UKmix by giving Mariah a separate place on UKmix. However, recent posts I’ve seen by some moderators, who aren’t Mariah fans, made me question if the concept of Mariahmix was simply to push Mariah’s fans off the main forum. I hope that isn’t the case.

[RayRay]

Wouldn't it be an idea to move all the album and single topics from Retro to MariahMix?

[emancipationofmeme]

Sticky the threads for: social media updates, tour updates/videos (things that are always relevant)

Merge the tour threads together. The set lists are similar enough that it doesn’t need different threads

Keep the general discussion open because it will take some people a long time to get used to a new system

[Colombia71345]

Im not feeling this new change, Is there also a celinemix or a beyoncemix or whatever?
If this works different just for Mariah, it must be hard for casual users to get to the wanted thread. Even I am still struggling

[hmm101]

I can't keep up with the Mariah thread before when there's new music or its Christmas (so many posts), but I can't keep up now because I'm having a hard time what thread to check because there's too many. I rather want the old format.

[DOSSOME]

There are so many unnecessary subtopics in Mariahmix... Like honestly, my idea of Mariahmix was a section of UKMIX that runs parallel with the main forum.... The main Topics here should be:-
1 Mariah's GAD Topic
2 Mariah's Retro section (Under this I recommend ALL retro topics related to Mariah be moved here)
3 Mariah's Chart Analysis (again, move all Mariah chart related topics here)

4 News Topic (in case something major is announced)

[bm08]

There are so many unnecessary subtopics in Mariahmix... Like honestly, my idea of Mariahmix was a section of UKMIX that runs parallel with the main forum.... The main Topics here should be:-
1 Mariah's GAD Topic
2 Mariah's Retro section (Under this I recommend ALL retro topics related to Mariah be moved here)
3 Mariah's Chart Analysis (again, move all Mariah chart related topics here)

4 News Topic (in case something major is announced)

Hmm...like a category with sub-forums above it then?

Like Games, sub-forum: Survivors?
See: https://www.ukmix.org/forumdisplay.php?34-Games

[DOSSOME]

@bm08 Exactly

[ANH]

I believe Mariahmix was created with the best intentions at heart, but it was completely unecessary because... If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

The general thread with thousands of pages should go back to the section where everyone is used to.

[DOSSOME]

It's not like the Mods decided this for us... There were numerous complains from several of us how important topics are lost in the midst of pages of drama... Things seem quiet now so Y'all think Mariahmix is unnecessary but IMO as it is, it's easier to navigate through multiple threads that are clearly defined than go through multiple pages of the same thread looking for what you want

[queentigress]

Chiming in because I miss the old format as well. I come on here way less often now, and when I do, I spend less time here because it's all sprawling and harder to keep up with. I get the idea behind this, but having one thread as our go-to meant I could stay on top of everything in real time. I miss the old forums and kinda think I'll fall out of using this unless things improve substantially. The end of an era! :'(

[sYair]

@queentigress, with me it's the opposite actually. I like this format more as it's more organized. The previous format was more hard to keep up and overall messy.

[quilmrt]

Honestly, I think we need to pause for a minute before we revert or make drastic changes. We were all off the forum for a few days, and when we came back, it was different. It takes time to get used to the changes. For folks saying they don't visit the forum as frequently because of the changes, I encourage you to put in the time to get to learn the new structure, etc. It's easy to say "take it back to what it was," but let's give this a shot - folks put a lot of hard work in to this.

[bm08]

Honestly, I think we need to pause for a minute before we revert or make drastic changes. We were all off the forum for a few days, and when we came back, it was different. It takes time to get used to the changes. For folks saying they don't visit the forum as frequently because of the changes, I encourage you to put in the time to get to learn the new structure, etc. It's easy to say "take it back to what it was," but let's give this a shot - folks put a lot of hard work in to this.

This is very much still in a pilot phase so we are not going to revert back without a proper testing period for some of the reasons you mentioned.

Some of the ideas suggested have already been implemented too.

[AlmondBreeze]

Either format is ok, as UKMIX is a great resource. But if I had to choose, then I prefer having the General Thread being all encompassing, because it was a one stop shop discussion forum and each discussion could easily spark off other random topics which would not otherwise have been had. It's like being at a party and discussing Mariah with all your friends in a circle and having each topic leading to other topics - within the group, some people may be having their own little conversation but everyone can still hear them and chime in if they want to.

Imagine though, if each time a new topic was raised, the individuals at the party had to split off from the group and go to a different corner of the room and have their little discussion. It kills off the general vibe and doesn't facillitate random new topics. Having dedicated threads means unless a topic is really major, it won't last more than a few thoughts from people because it is so defined and therefore kills momentum and inhibits making random comments or thoughts, because it may not be within the boundaries of a particular topic.

But I understand why some people like having dedicated threads cos it helps when they are looking for updates on a certain topic. But for me, I generally don't look for a particular topic - i just want to know what is happening in Mariah-land, so I liked hearing what others were talking about, whatever they were talking about. I don't like having to click numerous times to read one new post on each topic - too time consuming (I am lazy), so I just don't bother.

Also, it took me ages to realise where the new General Thread was, because the directory header for the topic starts off with "poll". I therefore thought the topic was just for polls. Better to have the topic header as "General Discussion - Mariah" etc.

However, I am not complaining - the mods are doing a great job and I am grateful! I am just giving my thoughs on the topic as requested.

[quilmrt]

This is very much still in a pilot phase so we are not going to revert back without a proper testing period for some of the reasons you mentioned.

Some of the ideas suggested have already been implemented too.

Great! Thankful for everyone's hard work.

[tifetqueen]

This change is terrible, sorry to say. I don't even understand why there was a need to modify *and* complicate things.

Also, if I want to go to the LAST page of a thread, how do I do it?

[DOSSOME]

Also, if I want to go to the LAST page of a thread, how do I do it?

By clicking on the LAST page of the thread, duh

[SawyerHewitt]

Don't really know why my pic ain't showing yet
There ain't no nips on display, I swear.

[bm08]

Don't really know why my pic ain't showing yet
There ain't no nips on display, I swear.

Are you sure you're not mixing up your Profile Picture and your Avatar picture?

You have a profile picture up.

To get to edit your Avatar. Go to Settings > Scroll down the left side to "My Settings" > Edit Avatar

[tifetqueen]

By clicking on the LAST page of the thread, duh

On my device it does not show a direct way to click on the last page, like it did before this change.

[bm08]

On my device it does not show a direct way to click on the last page, like it did before this change.

Not sure what your page setup looks like, but if you click on the orange arrow, it should take you to the last page of a particular thread

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[SawyerHewitt]

Damn, @bm08 thnx a million.
I'm a technoplegic.

[sYair]

By clicking on the LAST page of the thread, duh

Post of the day

[Wayne]

Damn, @bm08 thnx a million.
I'm a technoplegic.

Repping you for how nice your photo is!