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    by Fri August 19th, 2005, 16:34

    Does anyone know soure of information about ARIA charts (peak positions, certifications)? I know there is a website www.aria.com.au, but there are certifications from 1997 only and there's nothing about peak positions from the past.

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    by Fri August 19th, 2005, 16:50

    Well there's this one from the incredibly handy Pandora archive! .

    http://pandora.nla.gov.au/tep/23790?q=a ... s=10&m=and

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    by Sat August 20th, 2005, 21:42

    Here is what I have about Celine Dion in Australia:
    ALBUM PEAK CERTIFICATION YEAR

    Unison ? ? 1991
    Celine Dion ? gold 1992
    The colour of my love 1 8 platinum 1993
    Dion chante Plamondon ? ? 1994
    D'eux ? ? 1995
    Falling into you 1 12 platinum 1996
    Live a Paris ? ? 1996
    Let's talk about love 1 6 platinum 1997
    S'il suffisait d'aimer ? - 1998
    These are special times ? platinum 1998
    All the way... a decade of song 1 3 platinum 1999
    The collector's series volume one ? - 2000
    A new day has come 1 2 platinum 2002
    One heart 6 platinum 2003
    1 fille & 4 types nc - 2003
    A new day...live in Las Vegas 69 - 2004
    Miracle 15 - 2004

    this and more on the website:
    http://www.gelek.org/~fraktal/CelineDion_ChartsHistory/

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    by Sun August 21st, 2005, 00:15

    The best site out there for australian archives is OzNet. Unfortunately, it doesnt go far back with Albums, but it does with singles.

    http://www.onmc.iinet.net.au/

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    by Sun August 21st, 2005, 03:02

    Quote Originally Posted by Feeder_Guy
    Well there's this one from the incredibly handy Pandora archive! .

    http://pandora.nla.gov.au/tep/23790?q=a ... s=10&m=and
    Phenomenal resource!!! Doesn't go back as far as the O.P. wants but it's got plenty for me!

    Thanks for sharing the link, Feeder Guy

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    by Mon August 22nd, 2005, 14:40

    Here is what I have about Celine's singles in Australia:
    SINGLE ,PEAK, CERTIFICATION YEAR
    Where does my heart beat now ,?, - 1990
    The last to know ,?, - 1991
    Voices that care ,?, ? 1991
    Beauty and the Beast (with
    P. Bryson) ,20, - 1992
    If you asked me to ,?, - 1992
    Love can move mountains ,34, - 1992
    When I fall in love (with
    C. Griffin) ,?, - 1993
    The power of love ,1, platinum 1993
    Misled ,?, - 1994
    Think twice ,2, platinum 1994
    Only one road ,23, - 1994
    Next plane out ,promo, - 1995
    Falling into you ,12, - 1996
    Because you loved me ,1, 3 platinum 1996
    It's all coming back to me now ,8, gold 1996
    All by myself ,38, - 1997
    Call the man ,-, - 1997
    Tell him (with B. Straisand) ,9, gold 1997
    My heart will go on ,1, 2 platinum 1998
    Immortality (with the Bee Gees) ,38,, - 1998
    Natural woman (with A. Franklin, M. Carey, S. Twain, G. Estefan, C. King) ,promo, - 1998
    I'm your angel (with R. Kelly) ,31, gold 1998
    Treat her like a lady ,promo, - 1999
    To love you more promo ,-, 1999
    That's the way it is ,14, gold 1999
    God bless America ,promo, - 2001
    A new day has come ,19, gold 2002
    I'm alive ,30, - 2002
    Goodbye's (the saddest word) ,promo, - 2002
    I drove all night ,22, gold 2003
    One heart ,75, - 2003
    You and I ,promo, - 2004

    Can someone update this?

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    by Mon August 22nd, 2005, 17:51

    Interesting thread

    I was keen to explore the Australian Charts from the fifties onwards but of course a national chart only exists from 1970 onwards

    I know that prior to that some refer to the charts of New South Wales or perhaps other regions like Victoria.

    Does anyone have listings of chart hits from either/any Australian territories pre-1970 and a precis of chart hits for artists from 1970 on?

    Cheers

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    by Tue August 23rd, 2005, 18:49

    David Kent has released 2 national Australian chart books covering singles & albums for the periods 1940-1969(1965-69 for albums) and 1970-1992.

    Gavin Ryan has released 4 books so far covering singles for the biggest cities namely Sydney 1953-2003,Melbourne 1956-2002,Brisbane 1956-2002 and Adelaide 1959-2002 with Perth and Hobart to follow.

    I haven't seen any websites with this info.

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 03:05

    Thanks for that

    Do you have access to the chart positions by chance?

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 03:17

    On a related point about the way that the national chart is compiled.

    Is it purely and simply sales taken from the entire country? Or as a friend has heard the data from different regions is averaged in some way which could lead to the situation where a record which is most popular in more regions is crowned overall #1 even though in reality it may have sold more copies as a whole than its nearest rivals?

    Cheers

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 03:54

    I found a site a few weeks back that had the ARIA top 50 singles chart all the way back to about 1994, but for the life of me I can't remember where it was!

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 05:04

    Quote Originally Posted by rewardman
    Is it purely and simply sales taken from the entire country? Or as a friend has heard the data from different regions is averaged in some way which could lead to the situation where a record which is most popular in more regions is crowned overall #1 even though in reality it may have sold more copies as a whole than its nearest rivals?

    Cheers
    The ARIA Chart is based entirely on national sales. That is, the single with the most copies sold nationwide is #1. There is a law of averages involved in some way as it is not possible to record the sales of ever ysingle in every CD shop but I think that is the same all around the world. There is no airplay element to the chart at all.

    Here comes the interesting part. Each and every State and Territory has their own local chart (the exceptions being that the ACT is grouped with NSW, Tasmania is grouped with Victoria and the Northern Territory is grouped with Queensland). This enables a #1 single to be derived for all these groupings which may or may not correlate to the national #1. This can give rise to the situation where the majority of states have one particular #1 but the national #1 is something different. It's not common but not rare either. It's quite normal to see different states having different #1's but more than often than not, the majority rules.

    As far as archives go, the only good one I know of is Chartfreaks. Trust OzNet at your own peril because they are not based on the ARIA Chart!

    If anyone does have a better archive than this can you let me know please because I'd like to think I'm somewhat of a Aussie chart buff Being AUssie and all, this is my favourite chart, I think I can put Shelley, simonf and some others in that bag as well.
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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 07:35

    Quote Originally Posted by ChargedVT
    I found a site a few weeks back that had the ARIA top 50 singles chart all the way back to about 1994, but for the life of me I can't remember where it was!
    www.chartfreaks.com

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 07:39

    Quote Originally Posted by BadRapture
    If anyone does have a better archive than this can you let me know please because I'd like to think I'm somewhat of a Aussie chart buff Being AUssie and all, this is my favourite chart, I think I can put Shelley, simonf and some others in that bag as well.
    Hey BadRapture, I have the ARIA singles charts from 1989

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 11:42

    Quote Originally Posted by BadRapture
    Quote Originally Posted by rewardman
    Is it purely and simply sales taken from the entire country? Or as a friend has heard the data from different regions is averaged in some way which could lead to the situation where a record which is most popular in more regions is crowned overall #1 even though in reality it may have sold more copies as a whole than its nearest rivals?

    Cheers
    The ARIA Chart is based entirely on national sales. That is, the single with the most copies sold nationwide is #1...

    Here comes the interesting part. Each and every State and Territory has their own local chart (the exceptions being that the ACT is grouped with NSW, Tasmania is grouped with Victoria and the Northern Territory is grouped with Queensland). This enables a #1 single to be derived for all these groupings which may or may not correlate to the national #1. This can give rise to the situation where the majority of states have one particular #1 but the national #1 is something different.
    Also, the National no. 1 might not be no. 1 in *any* State, it could be (say) no. 2 in all the States. This is explained on the ARIA website.

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 15:22

    Hello,
    But the ARIA Charts only go back to, (about), the early 1980's. According to their Site, they began compilng the Australian Charts:, 'more than 20 years', ago.

    I have David Kent's Australian Chart Book, from '1970 to 1992'. The OZNET Number 1's - Australian Singles - certainly match up to HIS Book, for the 1970 to early 1980's period.

    I also have a Book on the New South Wales Charts. That one covers the 1960's etc. too - BUT, it is ONLY, for that 1 Australian State.

    I guess the latest David Kent book - '1940 to 1969' NATIONAL Australian Charts, will be close to what the Oznet Site says, for the 1950's, and 1960's Australian Number 1's. I do not have his 1940 to 1969 Book - yet. But, I will get it eventually.

    Thre trouble is, in the UK, if you Order an Item from OUTSIDE the European Union - it Retails at more than 18 - you have to pay about 7 Tax on it, before the UK Post Office will hand your Package over! (I call it Robbery - they call it:, 'The Law').

    Has ANYONE HERE - EVER - compiled a List of:, 'The Most Weeks At Number 1', in the AUSTRALIAN Charts - Singles Chart AND Albums Chart?????

    THAT would be VERY interesting to see!!!!!

    Colin

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 22:09

    Rewardman - I have these chart books.

    Oznet uses the NSW chart pre 1970 and David Kent & ARIA afterwards.Perhaps they'll update and use David Kent sometime in the future.

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    by Wed August 24th, 2005, 23:48

    ''I think I can put Shelley, simonf and some others in that bag as well''.

    You sure can

    The Australian chart history ive always found interesting and i'd love to have some of those books! i always knew pre-1970 the charts was from NSW and melbourne and it wasnt until the kent music chart (later AMR) started in 1970 that there was an 'official' chart. then in 1988, ARIA began publishing their chart for the public and would later become the new official ozzie chart. I have read that both were rivals until AMR finally finished in late 1999.

    Its actually interesting looking at the AMR charts (some are found on the internet) as many felt that AMR had better methods in calculating the charts and used a bigger and different sample to ARIA i.e. they used more rural locations sales), in fact the biggest difference was that AMR used the Sanity store chain figures while ARIA didnt until the late 90s, think it had something to do with ARIA policy on using an electronic system for calculating their chart while AMR still used older methods (i.e. mainly manual), that suited Sanity because they weren't happy about having an electronic system (as it'd cost them thousands to install) so gave all their info to AMR! Needless to say, its a long and complicated history.

    Unfortunately i don't have much more information (though im sure theres more to the story), out of curiousity, does the book contain #1s for AMR contain different #1s to ARIA? i know in 1998 there were several #1s that were different (i.e Pras was #1 while the goo goo dolls never made it, Stars on 54 and green day reached the top on AMR but werent on ARIA and on AMR, lighthouse family and steps never reached the top). But the different #1s were mainly due to their different samples! Sorry for going on, hope i aint bored any one :p

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    by Thu August 25th, 2005, 00:54

    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Has ANYONE HERE - EVER - compiled a List of:, 'The Most Weeks At Number 1', in the AUSTRALIAN Charts - Singles Chart AND Albums Chart?????

    THAT would be VERY interesting to see!!!!!
    I can help you out there:

    Eminem - Lose Yourself [12 weeks]
    Coolio - Gangsta's Paradise [11 weeks]
    Eiffel 65 - Blue (Da Ba Dee) [9 weeks]
    Britney Spears - ...Baby, One More Time [9 weeks]
    Aerosmith - I Don't Want To Miss A Thing [9 weeks]
    Hanson - MMMBOP [9 weeks]
    Spice Girls - Wannabe [9 weeks]
    Los Del Rio - Macarena [9 weeks]
    Alient Ant Farm - Smooth Criminal [8 weeks]
    Shaggy - Angel [8 weeks]
    Lou Bega - Mambo #5 [8 weeks]
    Savage Garden - Truly, Madly, Deeply [8 weeks]
    No Doubt - Don't Speak [8 weeks]
    Pearl Jam - Last Kiss [7 weeks]
    TLC - No Scrubs [7 weeks]
    All Saints - Never Ever [7 weeks]
    Aqua - Doctor Jones [7 weeks]
    The Fugees - Killing Me Softly [7 weeks]
    The Cranberries - Zombie [7 weeks]
    East 17 - It's Alright [7 weeks]
    The Black Eyed Peas - Where Is The Love? [6 weeks]
    R Kelly - Ignition (Remix) [6 weeks]
    Evanescence - Bring Me To Life [6 weeks]
    Avril Lavigne - Complicated [6 weeks]
    Shakira - Whenever, Wherever [6 weeks]

    * Things on interest (I think)

    - There are up to 7 rock tracks in the list
    - The top 2 singles are both Urban
    - Bryan Adams' Robin Hood epic does not even appear in the list despite spending 16 weeks on top of the UK Chart (is this right - surely, that song spent more than 6 weeks on the ARIA Chart at #1?!)
    - Interestingly, despite the UK having seemingly the more dynamic chart, Australia has never rewarded a song with the length of time some singles have spent atop of the UK chart.
    - There is only one Aussie act in there
    - There are only 3 English acts
    - There are 4 'dance' songs
    - The equivalent chart with the UK shares only 1 song...Spice Girls.
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    by Thu August 25th, 2005, 07:39

    Quote Originally Posted by BadRapture
    - Bryan Adams' Robin Hood epic does not even appear in the list despite spending 16 weeks on top of the UK Chart (is this right - surely, that song spent more than 6 weeks on the ARIA Chart at #1?!)
    Actually it spent 11 weeks at Nr1 between 28th July and 6th October, 1991

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    by Thu August 25th, 2005, 13:08

    Hello,

    some Charts Information about the German Group Kraftwerk in Australia?

    Greetz
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    by Thu August 25th, 2005, 14:11

    Note that BadRapture's stats don't include pre-1990 tracks. Singles such as "Venus", "Funky Town", "Locomotion" and "You're The Voice" spent 7 weeks at #1, while Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach" spent 6 weeks in the top spot. I can provide figures if anyone's really interested.

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    by Thu August 25th, 2005, 14:12

    Quote Originally Posted by Edimes
    Hello,

    some Charts Information about the German Group Kraftwerk in Australia?

    Greetz
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    As far as I remember, Kraftwerk hasn't had a Top 50 single since Jan. 1989

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    by Thu August 25th, 2005, 14:18

    David Kent's two chart books are available from the following site:

    http://www.austchartbook.com.au/

    Major chart freak, here! I've followed them religiously since the early 1980s and was lucky enough to have a friend working at ARIA quite a few years ago, which was interesting! Charts rule

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    by Thu August 25th, 2005, 15:31

    Quote Originally Posted by flatdeejay
    As far as I remember, Kraftwerk hasn't had a Top 50 single since Jan. 1989
    Yes, i know that fact, but in the 70ies and early 80ies they had success with Albums and Singles (Autobahn, Model)!

    Greetz
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