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    by » Fri September 16th, 2005, 20:25

    Quote Originally Posted by andrej
    I’ve dug up this info on one of the Beatles forums and find it interesting enough to acquaint you with some curious facts.
    Yes andrej, I gave this link on page one of this thread and based my estimates on these figures for the UK Singles and UK EP posts on this thread.

    However, useful to have the whole article here as people can do their own maths.

    I did find that the total fell short of the 20.8 million singles total given by EMI at the end of 2002. See page one of this thread - UK Singles.
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    by » Wed November 9th, 2005, 23:58

    The Beatles USA Hit Singles and EP's


    Vee-Jay
    1964 Please Please Me - 3
    From Me To You - 41 (reached 116 in 1963)
    1964 Do You Want to Know A Secret - 2
    Thank you Girl - 35

    MGM
    1964 My Bonnie - 26
    1964 Why - 88

    Tollie
    1964 Twist and Shout - 2
    There's A Place - 74
    1964 Love Me Do - 1
    PS I Love You - 10

    Swan
    1964 She Loves You - 1
    1964 Sie Liebt Dich - 97

    Atco
    1964 Ain't She Sweet - 19

    Capitol Singles
    1964 I WANT TO HOLD YOUR HAND - 1
    I SAW HER STANDING THERE - 14
    1964 ALL MY LOVING - 45
    ROLL OVER BEETHOVEN - 68
    1964 CAN'T BUY ME LOVE - 1
    YOU CAN'T DO THAT - 48
    1964 A HARD DAY'S NIGHT - 1
    I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER - 53
    1964 AND I LOVE HER - 12
    IF I FELL - 53
    1964 I'LL CRY INSTEAD - 25
    I'M HAPPY JUST TO DANCE - 95
    1964 MATCHBOX - 17
    SLOWDOWN - 25
    1964 I FEEL FINE - 1
    SHE'S A WOMAN - 4
    1965 EIGHT DAYS A WEEK - 1
    I DON'T WANT TO SPOIL THE PARTY - 39
    1965 TICKET TO RIDE - 1
    YES IT IS - 46
    1965 HELP - 1
    I'M DOWN - 101
    1965 YESTERDAY - 1
    ACT NATURALLY - 47
    1965 BOYS - 102 (Starline Label)
    1965 WE CAN WORK IT OUT - 1
    DAYTRIPPER - 5
    1966 NOWHERE MAN - 3
    WHAT GOES ON - 81
    1966 PAPERBACK WRITER - 1
    RAIN - 23
    1966 YELLOW SUBMARINE - 2
    ELEANOR RIGBY - 11
    1967 PENNY LANE - 1
    STRAWBERRY FIELDS FOREVER - 8
    1967 ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE - 1
    BABY YOU'RE A RICH MAN - 34
    1967 HELLO GOODBYE - 1
    I AM THE WALRUS - 56
    1968 LADY MADONNA - 4
    THE INNER LIGHT - 96
    1968 HEY JUDE - 1
    REVOLUTION - 12
    1969 GET BACK - 1
    DON'T LET ME DOWN - 35
    1969 THE BALLAD OF JOHN & YOKO - 8
    1969 COME TOGETHER - 1
    SOMETHING - 1
    1970 LET IT BE - 1
    1970 THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD - 1
    FOR YOU BLUE - 110

    Later Capitol Singles
    1976 GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE - 7
    1976 OB LA DI OB LA DA - 49
    1978 SGT PEPPER - 71
    WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM MY FRIENDS - 71
    1982 MOVIE MEDLEY - 12
    1995 BABY IT'S YOU - 67
    1995 FREE AS A BIRD - 6
    1996 REAL LOVE - 11

    Capitol EP's
    1964 FOUR By The Beatles - 92
    1965 4 By The Beatles - 68
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    by » Wed November 9th, 2005, 23:59

    The Beatles American Singles are posted above. I will add sales data shortly
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    by » Thu November 10th, 2005, 22:46

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil
    The Beatles American Singles are posted above. I will add sales data shortly
    I'm looking forward to that.

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    by » Sat November 12th, 2005, 15:43

    Basil. I only have one quibble with your Beatles Singles positions! I see you have used the Record Retailer listings for their positions! Sure! I know it is claimed that because "Guinness" adopted them for their books-that those were "OFFICIAL" positions back in the 60's. NOT SO! in the 60's the R.R chart had little authority. It was the New Musical Express and Melody Maker charts that carried a lot of weight! In both of those-and on the B.B.C `Pick of the Pops` chart, "Please Please Me" Hit No1. This No2 position is a lie that messrs Gambiccinni, Rice, Rice & Reid got publicised by making false claims about the Record Retailer chart. I should know, as unlike them, I researched that chart, and was lucky enough to speak to ex staff members-who were happy to correct such a misconception!

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    by » Sat November 12th, 2005, 17:17

    Quote Originally Posted by asm
    Basil. I only have one quibble with your Beatles Singles positions! I see you have used the Record Retailer listings for their positions! Sure! I know it is claimed that because "Guinness" adopted them for their books-that those were "OFFICIAL" positions back in the 60's. NOT SO! in the 60's the R.R chart had little authority. It was the New Musical Express and Melody Maker charts that carried a lot of weight! In both of those-and on the B.B.C `Pick of the Pops` chart, "Please Please Me" Hit No1. This No2 position is a lie that messrs Gambiccinni, Rice, Rice & Reid got publicised by making false claims about the Record Retailer chart. I should know, as unlike them, I researched that chart, and was lucky enough to speak to ex staff members-who were happy to correct such a misconception!
    I don't disagree with you asm. I don't use charts much in my posts because the way they were compiled in the UK up to about 20 years ago was just plain duff. The LP charts are particularly annoying. Also up to 1991 the Billboard Album Charts were at least as bad - their singles charts still are!

    That's why I'm more interested in finding sales - they seem more real.

    The consequences of those Rice/Read chart books were quite serious. The Beatles One would have been a whole lot better if they had ditched "Love Me Do" and "Eight Days A Week" and replaced them with "Please Please Me" and "Strawberry Fields".

    I've read all the threads concerning all these early UK charts. When at school the Record Mirror ones were taken as gospel. It was horrifying to find out the truth.

    Worst of all these Chart Books could be fixed but they won't do it - both singles and albums. Seems they don't have the bottle.
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    by » Mon November 14th, 2005, 15:50

    Basil. Britain sadly never really resolved the question of having an `official` chart pre February 1969. The fact of how it was in that period, was that NME and MM charts were most respected, with Disc and R.Retailer just behind! Thats how it was then! "Please Please Me" most definatly a acknowledged chart topper in 1963. Just an update on some Beatles U.K sales. Some of your figures are from very old sources (J Murrells possibly?) "Hard Day's Night" Definatly at the 900.000 mark now. "Ticket To Ride" over 750.000 and "Hello Goodbye" at about 850.000.

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    by » Mon November 14th, 2005, 20:04

    Quote Originally Posted by asm
    Basil. Britain sadly never really resolved the question of having an `official` chart pre February 1969. The fact of how it was in that period, was that NME and MM charts were most respected, with Disc and R.Retailer just behind! Thats how it was then! "Please Please Me" most definatly a acknowledged chart topper in 1963. Just an update on some Beatles U.K sales. Some of your figures are from very old sources (J Murrells possibly?) "Hard Day's Night" Definatly at the 900.000 mark now. "Ticket To Ride" over 750.000 and "Hello Goodbye" at about 850.000.
    As I said asm I don't disagree with you and agree that Please Please Me should be acknowledged as a No.1.

    Source for sales was Simon Walters 2002 - see the very last post on page two. Would be interested in your comments.

    Thanks for the singles sales updates.

    Cheers - Basil
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    by » Tue November 15th, 2005, 15:56

    Getting precise sales figures from the 60's is nigh on impossible! Many Record companies did not keep exact details-plus all the corrupt practices that were involved with royalty rates make that period a labryinth to get any meaningful figures! One can only use broad figures! "Paperback Writer" is definatly over 600.000 nby now (Don't forget the 1976 re -promotion that saw this and other Beatles singles selling well enough to hit the charts again) The figures you have on Get Back, Ballad, Something and Let It Be are the ones Alan Klien gave out in 1970! Get Back is certainly over 600.000 now, and the rest have certainly added 100.000 between them!

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    by » Sat December 24th, 2005, 01:27

    I found this post at Beatlelinks regarding the recent Beatles lawsuit vs. EMI:

    "Couple of years back, Ringo Starr, George Harrison and Yoko Ono filed a 25 million quid lawsuit against EMI/Capitol by claiming it had tried to punish them for a long drawn out legal battle (i.e. the 1970 one) by delaying the release of their albums on CD.

    The action filed in the Manhatten Supreme Court saw two ex-Beatles, Yoko Ono and the Apple Co. allege that Capitol and the parent company EMI held up the release of CDs for 2 years in order to force them to drop a long standing claim over royalties. They also demanded the return of master tapes of their albums. Their lawyer Leonard Marks said the company were "cheating them out of millions".

    The battle, according to the lawyer, had commenced in 1980 over another matter and that was a bid to win $50 million in damages from Capitol for what the claimants saw as an attempt to camouflage the sales of 19 million copies of Abbey Road by claiming they were scrapped, so denying them royalties. As well as the alleged delay in issuing CDs the claimants say Capitol deprived them of royalties by charging 25% of the list price of the discs for "repackaging" when the true cost was one sixth of that.

    Note Paul McCartney is not involved here at this stage."

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    by » Tue December 27th, 2005, 23:06

    Beatles chart history in Sweden

    Kvallstoppen & Topplistan

    Date Singles HP Wks
    26/03/1963 Please Please Me 16 2
    16/04/1963 Please Please Me (re) 17 1
    21/05/1963 From Me To You 5 10
    30/07/1963 Twist And Shout (EP) 2 12
    24/09/1963 She Loves You 1(6) 23
    26/11/1963 Twist And Shout (EP) (re) 19 1
    10/12/1963 I Saw Her Standing There 13 7
    17/12/1963 I Want To Hold Your Hand 1(4) 14
    31/12/1963 Twist And Shout (EP) 19 2
    18/02/1964 All My Loving 1(4) 14
    17/03/1964 My Bonnie 18 1
    31/03/1964 Can't Buy Me Love 1(6) 15
    23/06/1964 Roll Over Beethoven 11 4
    07/07/1964 Long Tall Sally 1(2) 10
    07/07/1964 Ain't She Sweet 4 12
    04/08/1964 A Hard Day's Night 1(4) 17
    20/10/1964 I Should Have Known Better 1(4) 14
    08/12/1964 I Feel Fine 1(3) 14
    16/02/1965 Rock And Roll Music 1(7) 14
    20/04/1965 Ticket To Ride 1(3) 11
    20/07/1965 I'll Follow The Sun 4 6
    10/08/1965 Help! 1(4) 18
    02/11/1965 Yesterday 1(6) 15
    14/12/1965 Day Tripper 1(5) 12
    28/12/1965 We Can Work It Out 1(5) 10
    11/01/1966 Rubber Soul (LP) 20 1
    08/02/1966 Michelle 1(5) 12
    21/06/1966 Paperback Writer 1(3) 9
    16/08/1966 Revolver (LP) 8 8
    23/08/1966 Yellow Submarine 1(3) 9
    13/12/1966 Bad Boy 7 5
    28/02/1967 Penny Lane 1(6) 10
    28/02/1967 Strawberry Fields Forever 1(6) 8
    13/06/1967 Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (LP) 5 13
    25/07/1967 All You Need Is love 1(4) 11
    05/12/1967 Hello Goodbye 1(5) 11
    19/12/1967 Magical Mystery Tour (2 EP) 3 9
    26/03/1968 Lady Madonna 1(2) 11
    10/09/1968 Hey Jude 1(5) 15
    03/12/1968 The Beatles (white album) (2LP) 2(3) 12
    08/04/1969 Back In The USSR 7 5
    29/04/1969 Get Back 1(4) 8
    17/06/1969 The Ballad Of John And Yoko 2(1) 9
    30/09/1969 Abbey Road 1(1) 10
    25/11/1969 Something 6 8
    06/01/1970 Abbey Road 14 2
    17/03/1970 Let It Be 3 8
    26/05/1970 Let It Be (LP) 6 7
    03/07/1973 Beatles 67-70 (2LP) 8 8
    17/07/1973 Beatles 62-66 (2LP) 20 1
    31/07/1973 Beatles 62-66 (2LP) (re) 19 2
    24/08/1976 Back In The USSR 19 2
    15/12/1995 Free As A Bird 3 9
    15/03/1996 Real Love 2 6

    Albums
    30/09/1969 Abbey Road 1(5) 11
    26/05/1970 Let It Be 2(3) 7
    21/06/1976 Rock'n'Roll Music 18 10
    20/05/1977 The Beatles At The Hollywood Bowl 17 10
    01/10/1993 The Beatles 1962-66 22 7
    01/10/1993 The Beatles 1967-70 23 11
    09/12/1994 Live At The BBC 4 7
    01/12/1995 Anthology 1 2 9
    29/03/1996 Anthology 2 2 7
    08/11/1996 Anthology 3 5 8
    23/09/1999 Yellow Submarine Songtrack 22 5
    23/11/2000 1 1(8) 26
    21/11/2003 Let It Be…Naked 2 12

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    by » Wed December 28th, 2005, 00:01

    The 1998 'Q', All Time UK Album List, is just not accurate.

    No UK Album has ever sold 5 Million copies here.

    'True Blue', by Madonna sold nearly 2 Million in Britain, and was a bigger UK Seller than, 'Like A Prayer', but the 1989 Album is far too high in the List - and has too many Sales.

    'Kylie The Album', was widely reported, (1988), to be the first UK Album, by a Female Soloist, to top 2 Million UK sales - it is not even in the 'Q' List. She managed a UK 2 Million Seller before Madonna.

    No sign of, 'Immaculate Collection', by Madonna or, 'The Very Best Of Elton John - both acknowledeged to be on over 2 Million UK Sales before 1998, and the Madonna Album is now on over 3 Million.

    No sign of anything by ABBA. When, 'Gold' had long been their 6th Million Selling UK Album, by 1998. It is close to - if not over - 4 Million, now.

    'Greatest Hits', by ABBA sold 1.25 Million, in the UK, in 1976 alone - then it was the 9th Best Seller of 1977, and 30th of 1978.

    By December 1979, ABBA had the 2nd, 7th, 20th, 55th, and 67th Best Selling Albums of the 1970's, in the UK.

    In 1980, 'Super Trouper', became the 1st UK Album to have 1 Million Advance Orders.

    Alan Jones said, ('Record Mirror', in about 1981 or 1982), that ABBA had sold over 10 Million UK Singles - but more than that - if only a little - in UK Albums.

    You would never know that ABBA ever existed to look at the 'Q' List.

    It is just a lot of accurate Sales, mixed in with a lot of exaggerated ones - with Albums not in the List, that should have been.

    Nor do I believe - in a million years, that, 'A Collection Of Beatles Oldies', is one of the Top 10 Beatles Sellers in the UK, as a Beatles Album List once said. It was neither a Top 5 Album, nor a long time in the Charts - it was only in the top 10 for 2 or 3 Weeks. (I saw one Chart Run for it that had it on 3 Top 10 Weeks, and another on 2 Top 10 Weeks - both had it Peaking at Number 7).

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    by » Wed December 28th, 2005, 00:14

    Hello,
    It was actually in 1989, that 'Kylie - The Album', was reported to be on 2 Million UK copies. It sold about 1.5 Million in 1988, and the rest in 1989.

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    by » Wed December 28th, 2005, 23:21

    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Hello,
    It was actually in 1989, that 'Kylie - The Album', was reported to be on 2 Million UK copies. It sold about 1.5 Million in 1988, and the rest in 1989.
    It re-entered the charts frequently during the late-60s and early-70s, as it was the only available Beatles "Best of" at that time. Its catalogue sales could not have been that shabby considering that. But I agree, it's still hard to fathom it being among the 10 UK Beatles best selling albums.

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    by » Wed December 28th, 2005, 23:25

    Quote Originally Posted by Herkenrath
    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Hello,
    It was actually in 1989, that 'Kylie - The Album', was reported to be on 2 Million UK copies. It sold about 1.5 Million in 1988, and the rest in 1989.
    It re-entered the charts frequently during the late-60s and early-70s, as it was the only available Beatles "Best of" at that time. Its catalogue sales could not have been that shabby considering that. But I agree, it's still hard to fathom it being among the 10 UK Beatles best selling albums.
    What are you talking about???

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    by » Thu December 29th, 2005, 00:48

    Hello,
    'A Collection Of Beatles Oldies', only spent 34 Weeks in the UK Chart, and with a Peak of Number 7, it cannot have been a huge seller.

    The, 'Please Please Me', Album, was Number 1 for 30 Weeks, in 1963, and it is said to have only sold 500,000 to 600,000, in the UK. I have been told this by Beatles Fans. In the early 1960's, especially, (and for most 1950's Albums), Sales were rather low in the UK, for Albums.

    The Beatles Compilation, cannot have sold anywhere near enough, to be one of their Top 10 Best Sellers, in the UK. Even if it was their only UK Compilation, until 1973.

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    by » Thu December 29th, 2005, 02:55

    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    The Beatles Compilation, cannot have sold anywhere near enough, to be one of their Top 10 Best Sellers, in the UK. Even if it was their only UK Compilation, until 1973.
    As I said I agree with that.

    But it must be considered that it had some catalogue sales. Of the 34 weeks it charted, 16 came from the 1970s. Had there been a Top 100 albums chart, I wouldn't have been surprised to see it hang around the lower chart regions for quite a while in those years. EMI didn't delete it before the late 1970s, if I remember correctly.

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    by » Thu December 29th, 2005, 15:36

    As Hernenkrath stated "A Collection of Oldies" was no great seller! I think it hit No4 in the DISC LP chart-its best placing! Also as is known LP sales to 1968 in the UK were way behind those of singles! The first LP to do Million UK sales was "South Pacific" which achieved this in 1963 (After SEVEN years in the LP charts!) The only other UK lps to achieve Million sales IN! the 60's were "With The Beatles" (By 1965) and "The Sound of Music" which went over Two Milllion in 1968. "Pepper" only passed its first million UK sales by 1975! So only THREE LPs did a Million in the 60's-and one ("South Pacific") had been selling in the 50's.!!

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    by » Thu December 29th, 2005, 16:16

    NME and Melody Maker published Sgt Pepper´s has sold more than 1 million copies in 1968.

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    by » Fri December 30th, 2005, 15:18

    The NME and MM were wrong! (Sadly) many 60's sales figures were wrongly reported back then (Else why the current Beatles EMI dispute!?) I have an issue of DISC where the Archies "Sugar Sugar" was given a gold disc for Million UK sales-that turned out to be false later on!

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    by » Fri December 30th, 2005, 18:39

    I don´t know NME and Melody Maker are wrong. In my opinion they are right, but I respect your opinion.
    I have a Newsweek(from the 70´s), where it was reported about albums that had sold more than 1 million in the 60´s in the UK, and it showed The Sound of Music,With the Beatles, South Pacific, Beatles for Sale and Rubber Soul. It showed Abbey Road like a million album too, but it showed AR like an album from the 70´s.

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    by » Sat December 31st, 2005, 15:31

    Billchart. Re your list "Beatles For Sale" is a borderline case! EMI certainly may have pressed a million by the end of 1969-but by sales over the counter, it was around 990.000 by then! rubber Soul definatly not! I think around 750.000 circa 1965-69. Abbey road- nowhere near a million! possibly 500.00 to 600.000 by late 1970. Incidently the Record Retailer chart (Which SO!! many people regard as the `bible` chart for that era) placed it at 12.& 2. in its first two weeks in their LP chart! NME & MM straight No1 entries!

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    by » Sat December 31st, 2005, 15:32

    Oops! I was referring to "Rubber Soul" with the 12 & 2 chart positions! The RR chart was weird!

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    by » Sun January 1st, 2006, 00:52

    Quote Originally Posted by asm
    The NME and MM were wrong! (Sadly) many 60's sales figures were wrongly reported back then.
    According to the Beatles official biography Sgt Pepper had sold 751,00 copies by 1st January 1968. Sales of 1 million by 11th October 1968 are quite possible.

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    by » Sun January 1st, 2006, 04:55

    Sales of most sixties albums were probably grossly underestimated. The Beatles For Sale album had a then record advance orders in the UK of 750,000, a record not surpassed until ABBA beat it in 1980.
    Beatles For Sale topped the album charts over Christmas, 1964, always the time for peak sales, and made appearances at number 1 in the album charts during 1965 as well.
    Hard to believe that Please Please Me had, according to "official" records, only sold about 600,000 up until the end of 1965, considering that it had spent 30 weeks at number 1 on the album charts, it had two hit singles on it, the title track and Love Me Do, and also had the very popular Twist And Shout on it, maybe The Beatles best ever cover version, and the title track to a massive selling EP at the time.
    Many people have said on other threads that some of The Beatles sales may have been overestimated; I think that there is evidence of underestimation of some of their album sales in the early sixties in particular.
    Are we really to believe that the album market was so small in 1963 that an LP that had spent 30 weeks at number one could still barely managed 600,000 sales 2 years later?
    Sounds very far fetched!!
    The Beatles are the top selling album artists anyway, but it is my view that there are still more sales yet to be accounted for!!
    By the way, happy New Year, one and all!!
    They did not sell many, but they were one of the best - God save the Kinks!

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