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  1. #51

    by » Tue April 7th, 2009, 21:23

    Quote Originally Posted by carlos06
    Quote Originally Posted by NothingFails
    bring on the remasters!!!

    With this being the 25th anniversary of Purple Rain, it'd be stupid if Warner doesn't cash in and do a remaster/deluxe edition or something like that. These 1980's Prince cd's need a sound upgrade. I think Around The World In A Day, Parade, Sign O' The Times and Lovesexy have the potential to sound amazing remastered. All four of those albums have so much sonically going for it that hearing them remastered would be like listening to them for the very first time.
    Yeah. I bought Purple Rain 6 months ago. Of course, it definitely needs remastering.
    Warner should be remastering all of his albums from 1979-1988, or at least just the huge classics - "Dirty Mind", "1999", "Purple Rain", "Parade" and "Sign O' the Times". ATWIAD and Lovesexy are good albums, but not masterpieces...
    Warner and Prince are both losing a lot of money by not remastering those albums. There is a treasure trove of unreleased material from all of those albums. He could easily expand them into 2 CD deluxe editions and a lot of people will buy them.

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    by » Thu April 9th, 2009, 00:07

    The display of the sales outside the USA in the first page of this thread was completely reformulated.
    Now i believe is much more easy to check Prince's international certifications and sales.

  3. #53

    by » Thu April 9th, 2009, 03:38

    not that it's much of a difference, but 3121 was reported 530k in December 2008 in the "lowest selling #1's" article

  4. #54

    by » Thu April 9th, 2009, 16:22

    i don't understand...
    How come LOTUS FLOW3R could be only #2 with 168 000, when a few hours ago he sold 186 000?

    i have another question : did Planet Earth really be scanned at only 220 000? It is very low for a #3 position...

  5. #55

    by » Thu April 9th, 2009, 18:12

    Quote Originally Posted by facedown36
    i have another question : did Planet Earth really be scanned at only 220 000? It is very low for a #3 position...
    Planet Earth was released a week after being given away for free in the UK, without any promo or even a tour, as Prince had a London residency in the summer of 2007.

    It's not that shocking, his hardcore fans picked it up in its first week so it could debut at #3 but after that it started freefalling as there was no promo to keep it on the charts.

    I think LF might reach 400k.

  6. #56

    by » Thu April 9th, 2009, 19:10

    according to Wiki (take it with a grain of salt), the album was at 295k or so in October 2007, so I guess it's slightly over 300k at this point. Not great at all, but not too shabby considering he did no US promo for the album and he'd given the album away in the UK a few weeks prior to it's release here.

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    by » Thu April 9th, 2009, 22:29

    Quote Originally Posted by facedown36
    i don't understand...
    How come LOTUS FLOW3R could be only #2 with 168 000, when a few hours ago he sold 186 000?
    I guess it was because HDD counted some "digital copies" sold exclusively through Prince's LOTUSFLOW3R website that are not eligible in SoundScan.
    Anyway, another hugely dissapointing week in terms of charts for me...
    BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN & BARBRA STREISAND celebrating their 9th #1 albums this year. Still making history...

  8. #58

    by » Fri April 10th, 2009, 11:11

    Quote Originally Posted by carlos06
    Quote Originally Posted by facedown36
    i don't understand...
    How come LOTUS FLOW3R could be only #2 with 168 000, when a few hours ago he sold 186 000?
    I guess it was because HDD counted some "digital copies" sold exclusively through Prince's LOTUSFLOW3R website that are not eligible in SoundScan.
    Anyway, another hugely dissapointing week in terms of charts for me...
    For me too, and I think this is very, very unfair...Lotus Flower sold indeed more physical copies than Urban Keith.

  9. #59

    by » Fri April 10th, 2009, 11:40

    Quote Originally Posted by facedown36
    Quote Originally Posted by Edu
    In the 26 weeks that "Musicology" spent on the Billboard-200 Soundscan reported a total of 1,893,000 CDs sold, of which 1,066,000 came from the Tour tickets and "only" 827,000 were result of retail sales.
    Honestly i can't consider the sales from the concerts as real sales so i excluded them from the numbers above.
    All the CDs sold with tickets BEFORE the album was released commercially (to the stores) were not counted by Soundscan and I also don't consider them true sales.
    Obviously i hope someone can find more recent Soundscan numbers for "Musicology" in order for the above information to be more acurate.

    I still hope one day to have a positive reply from you facedown36
    My replies are positive . Let's take the example of this one:
    1) Musicology has sold 934.000 copies in stores
    2) Musicology has sold 1.500.000 copies during the us 2004 tour
    3) The NPg MC SAles are not taken in account, neither the music club sales , and we may suppose that that the sales approaching to 300.000.

    So, my positive conclusion, according to your numbers, is that Musicology sold more than 2.5 copies in the us alone!
    I still think the same for MUSICOLOGY and PLANET EARTH.
    People paid for the album, because they paid for the tour or for the newspapers.

    When you know that today, much more than in 2004, most of the sales are only digital, and cost three times less than a physical copies ( sometimes for singles, it is given for free, as for Mariah Carey) I think the 3.2 millions copies of PLANET EARTH should be taken in account in the global sales.

    It seems very logical to me :
    1) In Uk Planet EARth was sold at 2.5£
    2) In usa Lotus Flower, MPLS SOUND and ELIXIR have been sold at 4$ each. Exactly The same price as Planet earth in UK
    3) People buy 180 000 copies of ELIXIR but absolutely don't care about it. They only care about Prince, but this is taken in account too.
    4) PRInce sold 35 000 more physical copies than Urban Keith last week, nevertheless he's only #2.
    5) Billboard take in account I TUNES SALES BUT NOT npg CLUB SALES, not musicology club sales, and now not lotus flower site?
    Is this so logical than that?

    I do not buy Prince music anymore since two years because I think he is gone too far with his fans, youtube, etc. Moreover Planet earth and Lotus Flower are bad.
    BUT QUALITY OF MUSIC AND SALES ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS and I must stay objective.
    To me there is something very unfair not to take in account PLANET EARTh and MUSICOLOGY sales.
    The market music is evolving and what is shocking us today with Prince' manner of selling discs will probably be usual in the future...

  10. #60

    by » Sun April 12th, 2009, 08:31

    Does anyone have weekly reports of catalog Prince songs at US radio? I know there's the billion-airplay Mediabase thread, but it would be interesting to see how his hits do on a single week.

  11. #61

    by » Sat April 25th, 2009, 10:14

    Got them, thanx to HolidayGuy @ MadonnaNation:

    Prince Recurrent Airplay

    4/17/09-4/23/09

    (Rhythmic AC play not included)

    1. When Doves Cry: 657 (+13)- 4.856m
    2. Kiss: 615 (+49)- 5.093m
    3. 1999: 520 (-81)- 3.987m
    4. Little Red Corvette: 441 (+12)- 2.973m
    5. Raspberry Beret: 377 (+57)- 2.391m
    6. I Wanna Be Your Lover: 188 (+16)- 1.486m
    7. I Would Die 4 U: 161 (+12)- 1.097m
    8. Let's Go Crazy: 139 (+2)- .58m
    9. Diamonds and Pearls: 108 (+51)- .926m (up from 41 to 85 at Urban AC)
    10. Purple Rain: 101 (-9)- .738m
    11. Controversy: 74 (+61)- .77m (up from 12 to 65 at UAC)
    12. Soft and Wet: 62 (+51)- .612m (up from 9 top 59 at UAC)
    13. U Got the Look: 31 (-40)- .093m
    14. The Most Beautiful Girl in the World: 24 (+2)- .283m
    15. Sign O The Times; 24 (+6)- .083m
    16. Insatiable: 19 (+8)- .088m
    17. Cream: 11 (-25)- .015m
    18. Pop Life: 11 (-4)- .088M
    19. Take Me With U: 7 (+2)- .152m
    20. Delerious: 6 (-)- .011m
    21. 7: 6 (-4)- .019m
    22. If I Was Your Girlfriend: 6 (-8)- .011m
    23. Gett Off: 3 (-)- .061m
    24. I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man: 3 (+3)- .004m
    25. Alphabet Street: 2 (-)- .019m
    26. Pink Cashmere: 2 (+1)- .008m
    27. Musicology: 2 (-2)- .015m

    Played 1x: Anotherloverhole..., Black Sweat

    Great to see "WDC" being at the top, but weird that "Purple Rain" is so much lower than the rest of the classics. Also, many forgotten hits there, like "Cream" or "7", not many Prince songs are "allowed" to stay in history...

  12. #62

    by » Sun April 26th, 2009, 05:17

    I think length hurts Purple Rain, I have never heard an edit of the song, whenever I heard it on radio, it plays at least 6 1/2 mins of the song and then fades out before playing the last 2 mins. 1999 and When Doves Cry run 6 minutes too in their album lengths but have edits. Funny that Little Red Corvette usually is played in it's entirety but never 1999 or WDC.

  13. #63

    by » Sun April 26th, 2009, 11:17

    According to Wiki, there exists a 4:05 single version of "Purple Rain". However, on all of his compilations the full version was used, so I guess radio stations were always willing to play the full one with fade out.

    What's the deal with "Alphabet St"? I do think it's the weakest of the hits of the "classic" years, but wasn't it a big song back then?

  14. #64

    by » Sun April 26th, 2009, 20:24

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny86
    According to Wiki, there exists a 4:05 single version of "Purple Rain". However, on all of his compilations the full version was used, so I guess radio stations were always willing to play the full one with fade out.

    What's the deal with "Alphabet St"? I do think it's the weakest of the hits of the "classic" years, but wasn't it a big song back then?
    I always thought Alphabet Street went top 10 simply because it was a Prince leadoff single. The song fell down the charts really fast (13 weeks on the hot 100) and was pretty much all forgotten outside of Prince's fanbase after the song ran it's course. I think it'd be easily comparable to Hanky Panky by Maddy as a song that went top 10 on career momentum but outside of the real fans, you'd be hardpressed to find casual fans who remember it.

  15. #65

    by » Mon April 27th, 2009, 19:53

    Quote Originally Posted by NothingFails
    Quote Originally Posted by Danny86
    According to Wiki, there exists a 4:05 single version of "Purple Rain". However, on all of his compilations the full version was used, so I guess radio stations were always willing to play the full one with fade out.

    What's the deal with "Alphabet St"? I do think it's the weakest of the hits of the "classic" years, but wasn't it a big song back then?
    I always thought Alphabet Street went top 10 simply because it was a Prince leadoff single. The song fell down the charts really fast (13 weeks on the hot 100) and was pretty much all forgotten outside of Prince's fanbase after the song ran it's course. I think it'd be easily comparable to Hanky Panky by Maddy as a song that went top 10 on career momentum but outside of the real fans, you'd be hardpressed to find casual fans who remember it.
    Interesting, I didn't know it was such a non-lasting hit. But it was still the most logical choice for the lead off single from Lovesexy, no? It even has that rap in it.

  16. #66

    by » Tue April 28th, 2009, 13:52

    Quote Originally Posted by Danny86
    It even has that rap in it.
    well the embarassing rap part wasn't featured on the single version also if I remember correctly the video for this song is probably one of the 10 most ugliest videos ever made

  17. #67

    by » Wed April 29th, 2009, 16:13

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderpig
    Quote Originally Posted by Danny86
    It even has that rap in it.
    well the embarassing rap part wasn't featured on the single version also if I remember correctly the video for this song is probably one of the 10 most ugliest videos ever made
    lol, I had to check the video again, I forgot that it was less than 3 minutes long. Yeah, the video is cheap, but the song is kinda half-hearted too. The music is cool and the verses too, but the chorus is basically "yeah yeah yeah", on one hand I think it's mainstream and could have been a bigger hit, but on the other hand it's not as well produced as "Kiss" or "Raspberry Beret" and the public expected more songs like that I guess...

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    by » Fri May 1st, 2009, 01:22

    In a very recent interview in the TV channel PBS with Travis Smiley, Prince declared:

    We never really knew what 'Purple Rain' sold. Eye don't know to this day. Eye only know what they tell me. We're conducting an audit, and when that's done people will realise 'Thriller' isn't actually the biggest selling album ever.


    I just hope he finds those sales and tell us about it...



    This must be the first time in history that an artist really wants to know how many records he have sold...

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    by » Fri May 1st, 2009, 02:29

    lol, I highly doubt PR outsold Thriller, though it may very well have sold more than 13 million. America was really the only place where PR was a blockbuster. The album opened the door for him in the UK, but it was never a #1 or anything there.

    I think 1999 probably should merit an audit too. The album spent more than 3 years on the chart, yet all it's sold was 4 million? I think 5-6 million seems more probable, judging from it's chart run and catalog sales, I think it likely has sold about the same as Madonna's debut, which is 5 million.

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    by » Fri July 31st, 2009, 22:16

    I like Prince...but he's really delusional if he thinks Purple Rain has outsold Thriller.
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    by » Fri August 7th, 2009, 19:36

    Some new historic references about Prince's "Purple Rain" (album) sales:

    1)
    From the Warner Communications 1984 annual report:

    pages 3 and 11:
    "...sold almost eleven million units worldwide."

    NOTE: We can see that "Purple Rain" sold around 9 million in USA (certified January 85) and around 2 million internationally (all sales by December 1984).

    page 12
    "...set a new Warner Bros. Records standard for units sold in one year".

    NOTE: In the following year, 1985, Madonna's "Like A Virgin" also sold 11 million worldwide, with 6 million in USA and 5 million internationally. The second best seller would be Phil Collins's "No Jacket Required" with 7 million globally (4 million in US).

    Link: Purple Rain: 11 million units worldwide

    2)
    From the Billboard magazines in Google Books

    12 January 1985, page 3
    "...topped charts in three international markets and reached the top 10 in almost a dozen more, accumulating three platinum and four gold awards in the process."

    NOTE:
    the 3 international markets (where "Purple Rain" reached number 1) must be
    Canada, The Netherlands and Australia.

    About the Top-10 countries, i think "almost a dozen more" means eleven countries where "Purple Rain" reached a Top-10 position but was not number 1.
    Of what i know "Purple Rain" was a Top-10 (besides the three countries above) in:
    UK, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway and New Zealand.
    In Japan reached number 11 if i am not mistaken.
    So "Purple Rain" was Top-10 in four additional unknow markets.

    Relatively to the 3 Platinum, and 4 Gold awards, i'm not very sure about the correspondent countries...

    ***

    23 March 1985, page 6
    "WEA International in London says about 1.25 million units have been sold in Europe."

    NOTE: using what i know about the sales of this album around the world, it seems that around this time, the sales of "Purple Rain" could be described this way:

    USA+Canada = between 9.5 and 10 million units.
    Central+South America = ???
    Europe = 1.25 million
    Australia+New Zealand+Japan = between 300k and 400k
    Other countries = ???

    So a estimated total somewhere between 12 and 13 million?
    For sure no more than 14 million and for sure above 12 million...

    3)
    Album charts positions (from Billboard)

    The fist number is relative to the week before 6 October 1984
    (first 1984 Billboard issue available)

    Canada:
    1 (nine weeks) - 2 - 2 - 3 - 2 - (weeks missing) - 6 - 5 - 5 - 7 - 7 - 10 - 18 - out of Top-20

    Australia:
    7 - 9 - 11 - 10 - 11 - 14 - 14 - 16 - 19 - out of Top-20

    Japan:
    11 - 13 - x - 18 - out of Top-20

    The Netherlands:
    3 - 3 - 2 - 2 - 2 - 1 (seven weeks) - 3 - 3 - (weeks missing)
    - 4 - 4 - 4 - 5 - 5 - 4 - 5 - 5 - out of Top-10

    Germany:
    x - x - x - 19 - 17 - 13
    - 9 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 12
    - (weeks missing) - (13 weeks outside Top-20) - 19 - out of Top-20

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    by » Sat September 12th, 2009, 01:09

    OK, the lightning almost stroke twice in "Ask Billboard":

    new SS sales for the best selling Prince albums in SS era:

    "According to Nielsen SoundScan, here are Prince's top-selling albums, again, since 1991:

    2,548,000, "Purple Rain (soundtrack)" (1984)
    2,462,000, "Diamonds and Pearls" (1991)
    2,047,000, "Musicology" (2004)
    1,715,000, "The Hits 2" (1993)
    1,618,000, "The Very Best of Prince" (2001)
    1,433,000, "The Hits 1" (1993)
    1,080,000, "The Love Symbol Album" (1992)

    Since 1991, Prince, including his totals with the Revolution and New Power Generation, has sold 19.9 million albums, according to Nielsen SoundScan."

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    by » Sat September 12th, 2009, 15:14

    how to explain the 2 m for musicology ? I méan it s high for him ! Was the promo good ?

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    by » Sat September 12th, 2009, 18:04

    madd77:
    how to explain the 2 m for musicology ?
    It's simple:
    the retail sales (shops) were "just" around 900k, the rest came from his concerts, where each ticket had included in its price a copy of "musicology".
    Soundscan counted those sales, but i don't count them because i can't consider it a real sales, people had no choice, had to pay it and take it home...

    After this trick of Prince soundscan changed its rules and afterwards never counted anymore these concert sales.

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