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    by Sun March 14th, 2010, 18:30

    Cher's biggest selling single, Believe - the sales breakdown:

    USA: 2,500,000+
    Canada: 10,000 (est.)

    Australia: 235,000 (est.)
    New Zealand: 10,000

    UK: 1,675,000 (#1 female single of all time)
    Germany: 1,250,000
    France: 800,000
    Spain: 80,000
    Italy: 70,000
    Netherlands: 60,000
    Sweden: 60,000
    Norway: 30,000
    Austria: 30,000
    Switzerland: 30,000

    Rest of Europe, Asia, South Africa & South America: 750,000-1,000,000

    = 7,590,000-7,840,000

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    by Sun March 14th, 2010, 18:50

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    Yes it did. In the Us alone it was certified 2x Platinum, and in the UK was certified 5x Platinum.

    Cher Singles sales
    All I really Want to do- 2,000,000
    Where do you go?- 550,000
    Bang, Bang- 5,000,000
    Alfie- 500,000
    Sunny- 1,200,000
    I feel something in the air- 100,000
    Behind the door- 100,000
    Mama- 150,000
    Hey Joe- 100,000
    You better sit down kids- 1,500,000
    Click song- 150,000
    For what it's worth- 50,000
    Gypsies, tramps & thieves- 3,100,000
    the way of love- 1,300,000
    Living in a house divided- 500,000
    Don't hide your love- 300,000
    Am I blue?- 250,000
    half-breed- 2,100,000
    dark lady- 2,900,000
    Train of thought- 500,000
    I saw a man and he danced with his wife- 300,000
    Pirate- 150,000
    Take me home- 1,500,000
    Wasn't it good- 300,000
    It's too late to love me now- 250,000
    Hell on wheels- 250,000
    Dead Ringer- 600,000
    I found someone- 2,000,000
    Skin deep- 200,000
    We all sleep alone- 1,500,000
    After all- 1,500,000
    If i could turn back time- 4,000,000
    Just like Jesse James- 1,500,000
    Heart of stone- 1,000,000
    You wouldn't know love- 700,000
    the shoop, shopp song- 6,100,000
    baby i'm yours- 100,000
    dead ringer (re-release)- 100,000
    Love and understanding- 2,000,000
    save up all your tears- 1,000,000
    love hurts- 500,000
    Could've been you- 300,000
    oh no not my baby- 500,000
    many rivers to cross- 200,000
    whenever you're near- 100,000
    Love can build a bridge- 800,000
    walking in Memphis- 1,300,000
    One by one- 800,000
    paradise is here- 300,000
    not enough love in the world- 200,000
    the sun ain't gonna shine anymore- 300,000
    Belive- 12,000,000
    strong enough- 4,200,000
    all or nothing- 1,250,000
    Dov'e L'amore- 1,350,000
    music's no good without you- 2,000,000
    alive again- 500,000
    song for the lonely- 1,500,000
    a different kind of love song- 1,100,000
    when the money's gone- 50,000
    Fakest post of the year
    I don't mean to be rude but we are in a chart analysis forum, please don't post fake infos/claims

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 13:12

    Quote Originally Posted by Nichu94
    Fakest post of the year
    I don't mean to be rude but we are in a chart analysis forum, please don't post fake infos/claims
    Crazy4DaveFranco....ehm, i mean Brad

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 13:40

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    Believe- 20,000,000 (Billoard said in 2000 the album sold 10,000,000)
    If Billboard said this, the album now should be at least at 30,000,000, or maybe 40,000,000...
    "Despair, regret, and tenderness is what I feel for you"

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 14:10

    The BPI has changed over the past decade. When Belive was released Platinum was for sales of 300k (300k x 5= 1.5 million)

    My previous posts are not false, and I find that some of your comments are rude, and uncalled for. I have been in touch with a lot of Cher biographers and people who were apart of her career. I'm currently writing a biography of Cher, and I thought since people were asking for this information I was willing enough to post it, and help answer some questions.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 14:16

    Your posts are false. That's why you're getting 'rude' responses. Would you like to break down any of your figures?

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 14:27

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    The BPI has changed over the past decade. When Belive was released Platinum was for sales of 300k (300k x 5= 1.5 million)
    Believe was certified 2xPlatinum (+1,2 million) in UK on Friday 8th January 1999.
    http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx

    My previous posts are not false, and I find that some of your comments are rude, and uncalled for. I have been in touch with a lot of Cher biographers and people who were apart of her career. I'm currently writing a biography of Cher, and I thought since people were asking for this information I was willing enough to post it, and help answer some questions.
    This is a serious chart analysis forum, we don't take fake claims as truths.

    Believe has not sold 12 million and some other sales you posted are also completely false.
    The Shoop shoop song +6 million? ARe you joking? It peaked at 33 in US and it's Gold in UK. If it had sold that much it would have been the best selling single of 1990-1991 easily.

    The claim of 20 million for Believe album is even more ridiculous...

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 14:46

    the sales numbers are include sales since the release and charting of the single to current downloads so they appear to be extremely high.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 14:52

    Also, I'm sorry, but I made a mistake. Belive is certified 3x Platinum in the UK, not 5.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 14:57

    Once Again: Belive is 2xPlatinum in UK
    Search here: http://www.bpi.co.uk/certifiedawards/search.aspx

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    the sales numbers are include sales since the release and charting of the single to current downloads so they appear to be extremely high.
    No they are clearly fake...
    Even adding digital downloads.

    Where did you find them? I'd like to know your source...
    Or did you estimate them?

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 15:09

    I'm sorry but my sources cannot be found on the internet. I have colleagues throughout the music business, and they work for Neilsen, Billboard, and a few major record labels including Reprise, Warner Brothers, and Geffen Records. You also need to remember charts were not based on sales prior to 1992 (in America at least); therefore there are no exact numbers of the total sales for albums and singles. But the site where I did retrieve the information about Believe being certified 3x platinum is the UKtop75 site.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 15:10

    I'm sorry but my sources cannot be found on the internet. I have colleagues throughout the music business, and they work for Neilsen, Billboard, and a few major record labels including Reprise, Warner Brothers, and Geffen Records. You also need to remember charts were not based on sales prior to 1992 (in America at least); therefore there are no exact numbers of the total sales for albums and singles. But the site where I did retrieve the information about Believe being certified 3x platinum is the UKtop75 site.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 15:15

    Belive certifications (bracket numbers are shipments so far, not sales)

    Argentina- Double Platinum (80,000)
    Australia- Double Platinum (140,000)
    Austria- Double Platinum (40,000)
    Belgium- Platinum (30,000)
    Brazil- Platinum (60,000)
    Canada- Septuple Platinum (700,000)
    Chile- Gold (7,500)
    Colombia- Gold (5,000)
    Czech Republic- Gold (3,000)
    Denmark- Quintuple Platinum (150,000)
    Europe- Quintuple Platinum (5 million)
    Finland- Gold (10,000)
    France- Double Platinum (600,000)
    Germany- Double Platinum (400,000)
    Greece- Gold (7,500)
    Hong Kong- Gold (7,500)
    Hungary- Platinum (6,000)
    Indonesia- Platinum (40,000)
    Ireland- Triple Platinum (45,000)
    Israel- Gold (20,000)
    Italy- Triple Platinum (210,000)
    Japan- Gold (100,000)
    Korea- Platinum (15,000)
    Malaysia- Gold (10,000)
    Mexico- Platinum (105,000)
    Netherlands- Gold (30,000)
    New Zealand- Double Platinum (30,000)
    Norway- Platinum (30,000)
    Poland- Platinum (20,000)
    Portugal- Double Platinum (40,000)
    Singapore- Gold (6,000)
    South Africa- Double Platinum (100,000)
    Spain- Quadruple Platinum (400,000)
    Sweden- Triple Platinum (180,000)
    Switzerland- Double Platinum (60,000)
    Taiwan- Gold (7,000)
    Thailand- Gold (8,000)
    Turkey- Triple Platinum (30,000)
    United Kingdom- Double Platinum (600,000)
    United States- Quadruple Platinum (4 million)

    And according to Rolling Stones Cher's Believe sold 20 million
    http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/i ... -comeback/

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 15:23

    ^ That is a mistake for sure... If Believe has sold around 10 million in Eu plus US, where do the other 10 million come from?

    About your numbers, if you're not gonna show any source/WW breakdown, they remains only strange numbers without any explanation

    And also, many times labels releases fake/inflated sales figures, it's well known fact...

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 15:32

    the EU sales number only includes some countries, not all of them. Plus Asia, South America, Central America, Canada, Africa, and Australia, and New Zealand make up the remaining 10 million or so album sales.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 15:37

    Sorry but that's really impossible
    12 million seems correct

    Anyway would you please post sales by country for all her singles?
    Since you have totals, you should have the brakdowns for each one...

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 15:44

    The sales for her singles are shipments/the number of produced copies of each single that were ordered by the record company. Sales/shipment break down per country are not available, especially to the public. However, I do know a select few.

    US Gold (500,000)
    All I really want to do
    Bang, Bang (1966)
    Alfie
    You better sit down kids
    G. T. T.
    The way of love
    Living in a house divided
    Half-Breed
    Dark Lady
    Train of thought
    Take me home
    I found someone
    We all sleep alone
    after all
    If I could turn back time
    Just like Jesse James
    Heart of Stone
    the shoop, shoop song
    Save up all your tears
    One by one
    Strong enough
    The music's no good without you
    Song for the lonely
    Different kind of love song

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 16:06

    I'm just curious, can you find me some Madonna sales using your "source"?

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 16:08

    Quote Originally Posted by 04wayne
    Wow DELUSION
    what do you mean wayne?

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 16:22

    Quote Originally Posted by Nichu94
    Quote Originally Posted by 04wayne
    Wow DELUSION
    what do you mean wayne?
    I have read countless stories and have even been sent an email or two about people who claim to have these 'sources' that they cannot verify. My last discussion about this occurred on a fan forum for Celine Dion - a fan who ironically spouted the same things as the above poster, jayrock, except his/her case was for Celine Dion being the best-selling female artist of all-time, which anybody with a brain cell knows isn't true.

    jayrock - I don't necessarily take offense to your numbers, I take offense to your inability to listen to reason and realism. What Nichu says above (about it being impossible to shift 10m albums across the territories/countries you mentioned) is completely and utterly true. You said:

    Plus Asia, South America, Central America, Canada, Africa, and Australia, and New Zealand make up the remaining 10 million or so album sales.
    But you've listed the majority of Asia's dominions in your list of sales. You've also listed the major South American places that Cher hit it big in that list. Added to which you listed Australia and New Zealand in that list. So basically, your above quote is nonsense.

    Cher has sold fewer than 50m albums across the globe - not a measly amount. Believe has shipped no more than 12m copies worldwide. This is estimation, yes. But my estimation is a damn more site reliable and realistic than yours is.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 17:42

    Actually the certifications are out dated and are from 1999/2000. In the past 10 years or so sales would have increased in these territories. Also, there are many European, Asian, South American, and Middle Eastern countries that would have taken the Believe album very well that are NOT listed, mostly because these places don't have a BPI or RIAA or CRIA. Sources like Warner Brothers, Rolling Stone Magazine, and Billboard are more reliable than someone who tries to disprove what they claim. I'm standing behind my numbers since my sources are offical sources, and have been found correct by my Editor and publisher.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 17:50

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    Actually the certifications are out dated and are from 1999/2000.
    In the past 10 years or so sales would have increased in these territories.
    Certifications are based on shipments, so since the album isn't a huge catalog seller (like almost all pop albums that sells due to a big hit), they may be not that wrong

    Also, there are many European, Asian, South American, and Middle Eastern countries that would have taken the Believe album very well that are NOT listed, mostly because these places don't have a BPI or RIAA or CRIA.
    In those territories albums sell an irrelevant total of copies...

    Sources like Warner Brothers, Rolling Stone Magazine, and Billboard are more reliable than someone who tries to disprove what they claim.
    Unfortunatly often "official sources" gives really random and inaccurate sales infos. The biggest exemple is Michael Jackson's album "Thriller". The Guinnes World record claims it has sold 109 million copies, but the truth is very different: Thriller has sold around 60-65 million copies Worldwide.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 17:53

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    Also, there are many European, Asian, South American, and Middle Eastern countries that would have taken the Believe album very well that are NOT listed, mostly because these places don't have a BPI or RIAA or CRIA.
    Wanna go to IFPI site to see middle east awards?
    Platinum for 6k, only.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 18:11

    For one, Guinnes World records is a reliable source. For example, they said that Cher's Farewell tour grossed more than $437 million, but they took into account merchandise, and ticket sales from all 325 shows.

    Also, shipment amounts eligible for certifications change every few years. For example, a Platinum album in Canada is now 80,000 compared to 100,000 in 1999

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