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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 18:21

    Not when they are making ostentatious claims such as '109m sold for Thriller'.

    Yes shipment amounts DO change. But you've not listed shipment literature (i.e. gold, platinum, diamond) - you've listed actual shipments. So again, I don't know why you insist on digressing from the first point which is:

    Your Figures Are Terribly Overrated

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 18:28

    Most of Cher's albums, and singles did not recieve gold or platinum status in any country because they did not sell a significant amount

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 18:59

    Quote Originally Posted by 04wayne
    Your Figures Are Terribly Overrated
    You should see his/her Madonna's numers
    I Lolled so much when he/she sent me his "official" figures.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:26

    I really don't care what you people think, but this information I thought I should share with you since it is a mysterious, and often asked question in the music industry. But I can tell you this. She has sold some 275 million- 300 million albums world wide (this nuumber includes solo, Sonny & Cher, Blackrose, Allman and Woman, and other albums she appeared on)
    As part of Sonny & Cher she sold 80 million albums. This is a known fact, and is not disputable.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:38

    UKMIX rule:
    If you're posting sales figures then please try to make sure you post correct ones. Don't deliberately post inflated ones for your favourite artist (or deflated ones for your least favourite artist for that matter) as it only causes needless conflict

    Jayrock, you're keep on posting inflated numbers, coming from a secret source and without any WW breakdown... Why should we all believe you?

    :-? Keep on writing them on your books but not here please.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:41

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    I really don't care what you people think, but this information I thought I should share with you since it is a mysterious, and often asked question in the music industry. But I can tell you this. She has sold some 275 million- 300 million albums world wide (this nuumber includes solo, Sonny & Cher, Blackrose, Allman and Woman, and other albums she appeared on)
    As part of Sonny & Cher she sold 80 million albums. This is a known fact, and is not disputable.


    You're terrible!

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:42

    Because I have world reknowned Cher biographer Mark Bego backing me up.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:45

    Including every single disc that Cher has ever sold in music (album, single, DVD) - she hasn't surpassed even 100m records worldwide. So how the HELL you can come to the conclusion (without breaking down anything, and despite you otherwise being proven wrong) that she has sold 275-300m albums makes you sound not only stupid, but also ignorant. Congratulations.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:49

    You English are the rudest people in the world. You people even out rank the Americans on rudeness. Thankfully my book is not being released there in the YUK as that is how you people look.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:49

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    You English are the rudest people in the world. You people even out rank the Americans on rudeness. Thankfully my book is not being released there in the YUK as that is how you people look.
    I'm from Italy actually

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:51

    i know that. I don't along with Italians either. They are the most arrogant people I've met.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:52

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    You English are the rudest people in the world. You people even out rank the Americans on rudeness. Thankfully my book is not being released there in the YUK as that is how you people look.
    Yes, and you're possibly the most deluded person I've ever come across. The fact that you pluck your figures from biographers and labels, occasionally throwing in a piece of Soundscan and Billboard data + your own very misinformed notions of how the music industry works ("Billboard confirmed sales of 10m in 2000, so it must be at 20m by now") renders your book utterly useless, if that is what its spouting.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 20:57

    I have never said any such thing. I said Billboard is quoted as saying 10 million in 2000, but according to articles and Billboard in recent years have cited her Believe album as selling 20 million copies world wide. I even remember hearing that her album reached the 12 million mark back in 2000

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 21:00

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    I have never said any such thing. I said Billboard is quoted as saying 10 million in 2000, but according to articles and Billboard in recent years have cited her Believe album as selling 20 million copies world wide. I even remember hearing that her album reached the 12 million mark back in 2000
    And it became one of the biggest selling catalog album of the history selling 8-10 million during the 00s...

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 21:03

    I don't know about that. But I am sure of this: I'm meeting with Roger Davies and Cher next month in Las Vegas opening night of her show to have a short one-on-one interview and I'm going to ask her manager personally. I'll hopefully be able to bring a video or voice recorder with me and somehow send it to you for you to hear the response, or even tell them to send me an email which I will then send to you to correct your madness

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 21:15

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    I don't know about that. But I am sure of this: I'm meeting with Roger Davies and Cher next month in Las Vegas opening night of her show to have a short one-on-one interview and I'm going to ask her manager personally. I'll hopefully be able to bring a video or voice recorder with me and somehow send it to you for you to hear the response, or even tell them to send me an email which I will then send to you to correct your madness
    I don't want any e-mails, voice recording with Cher talking about her sales.
    Even if Cher herself would claim she's sold that much that wouldn't be official.

    Lady Gaga herself claims her album is Diamond worldwide. Is it true? No.
    Guinnes World record says Thriller has sold 109 million copies. Is it true? No.
    Medias claim that Elvis and Beatles sold 1 billion records. Is it true? No.

    Artists/Labels/Media are not offcial/reliable sources unfortunatly.

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 21:32

    kind of irrelevant question but... according to verifiable/probable estimations... who are the best-selling female singers?

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    by Mon March 15th, 2010, 21:36

    Quote Originally Posted by jio
    kind of irrelevant question but... according to verifiable/probable estimations... who are the best-selling female singers?
    Here's the top 3
    1. Madonna - 320-330 million records
    2. Celine Dion - 210-220 (?) million records
    3. Mariah Carey - 200 million records

    Then there's Whitney, Barbra, Janet and Britney.

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    by Tue March 16th, 2010, 01:34

    TOTAL RECORDS:

    1. Madonna - 300-305 million
    2. Celine Dion - 215-220 million
    3. Mariah Carey - 200 million
    4. Whitney Houston - 180 million
    5. Barbra Streisand - 170 million
    6. Britney Spears - 110 million
    7. Janet Jackson - 110 million
    8. Shania Twain - 100 million
    9. Sade - 95 million
    10. Enya - 90 million

    There are some other female artists that have sold not far off this list such as Tina Turner. In fact, I'd argue that Diana Ross has probably sold around 100m records solo herself.

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    by Tue March 16th, 2010, 02:04

    Nice to see Madonna on top and wow at Britney so high so fast but what about non-western singers such as Nana Mouskouri or Alla Pugacheva... any estimates for them? btw... Sade is not a female solo singer, it's a group

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    by Tue March 16th, 2010, 03:12

    Enya has not sold 90 million albums. In 2003 she was listed at 40 million albums, but in 2007 that number jumped to 80 million. There is no way she sold 40-50 million albums in a period in which she released only one moderately successful album.

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    by Tue March 16th, 2010, 05:42

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    For one, Guinnes World records is a reliable source. For example, they said that Cher's Farewell tour grossed more than $437 million, but they took into account merchandise, and ticket sales from all 325 shows.

    Also, shipment amounts eligible for certifications change every few years. For example, a Platinum album in Canada is now 80,000 compared to 100,000 in 1999
    Guinness World records is not that reliable. How did Michael Jackson sold over 100m for Thriller? He sold some in mars? Yes, it's the biggest selling album of all time but they doubled the number!

    And your charts/sales are far off from anything I see. Wayne, Nichu and the rest are more accurate and reliable with evidences!

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    by Tue March 16th, 2010, 07:25

    ^ Thank you

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    Enya has not sold 90 million albums. In 2003 she was listed at 40 million albums, but in 2007 that number jumped to 80 million. There is no way she sold 40-50 million albums in a period in which she released only one moderately successful album.
    Where was she listed with 40 million? On her label sales database?

    Wayne was talking about records sales if you didn't notice, that means albums + singles + DVD/VHS and digital tracks.

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    by Tue March 16th, 2010, 08:36

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    I don't know about that. But I am sure of this: I'm meeting with Roger Davies and Cher next month in Las Vegas opening night of her show to have a short one-on-one interview and I'm going to ask her manager personally. I'll hopefully be able to bring a video or voice recorder with me and somehow send it to you for you to hear the response, or even tell them to send me an email which I will then send to you to correct your madness
    No need to wait until her opening night. If you have contact, you should send email to her to ask for breakdown in each country/records now. I hope tonight you finish it.
    I am waiting to see such list. At least she has more time to make up.

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    by Tue March 16th, 2010, 20:39

    Quote Originally Posted by jayrock
    i know that. I don't along with Italians either. They are the most arrogant people I've met.
    you do realise that you're not just throwing dubious figures here but you're also being biased with people from other countries?

    please think twice before posting this kind of stuff, personal offenses like those are not allowed on UKMix and we definitely do not support "this person told me that someone sold this amount" numbers.

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