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    by 06-12-08, 18:07

    I open this thread because this band is maybe the most undercertified band ever. Expect sales of all their studio albums released from 69 to 75 to be at least 2 times bigger than their certification.

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    Key
    year of US release
    year of last US certification
    title
    riaa shipment
    peak position
    weeks on BB200
    soundscan

    Studio Albums
    1969 1986 Transit Authority - 2,000,000 - 17 171
    1970 1991 II - 1,000,000 - 4 134
    1971 1986 III - 1,000,000 - 2 63
    1972 1986 V - 2,000,000 - 1 x9 51
    1973 1986 VI - 2,000,000 - 1 x5 73
    1974 1986 VII - 1,000,000 - 1 x1 69
    1975 1986 VIII - 1,000,000 - 1 x2 29
    1976 1986 X - 2,000,000 - 3 45
    1977 1977 XI - 1,000,000 - 6 20
    1978 1978 Hot Streets - 1,000,000 - 12 29
    1979 1979 13 - 500,000 - 21 10
    1980 none XIV - - 71 9
    1982 1982 16 - 1,000,000 - 9 38
    1984 1997 17 - 6,000,000 - 4 72 - 490,000
    1986 1986 18 - 500,000 - 35 45
    1988 1989 19 - 1,000,000 - 37 42
    1991 none Twenty 1 - - 66 11
    1995 none Night And Day - - 90 7
    2006 none XXX - - 41 2
    2008 none XXXII, Stone Of Sisyphus - - 133 1

    Note: Stone Of Sisyphus was recorded in 1994.

    Live Albums
    1971 1986 At Carnegie Hall - 1,000,000 - 3 46 - 50,000

    Compilation Albums
    1975 1991 Greatest Hits - 5,000,000 - 1 x5 73 - 1,616,000
    1981 none Greatest Hits Vol 2 - - 171 5
    1983 1991 If You Leave Me Now - 1,000,000 -
    1989 1997 Greatest Hits 82-89 - 5,000,000 - 37 25 - 2,573,000
    1997 1997 The Heart Of Chicago 67-97 - 500,000 - 55 27
    1998 none The Heart Of Chicago 67-98 Vol 2 - - 154 2
    2002 2005 The Very Best Of - 1,000,000 - 38 25
    2005 none Love Songs - - 57 4
    2007 none The Best Of - - 102 4

    Christmas Albums
    1998 1999 Christmas Album - 500,000 - 47 7
    2003 none Christmas - - 117 3
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    by 06-12-08, 19:57

    Thanks! Very succesful band, and strong catalog sales - at least their compilations.

    Besides one new compilation they have no new certs since 1997. Many not since 1986. A RIAA update should be interesting.

    Personally I was never a fan though...

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    by 06-12-08, 23:26

    Quote Originally Posted by Dane
    Thanks! Very succesful band, and strong catalog sales - at least their compilations.

    Besides one new compilation they have no new certs since 1997. Many not since 1986. A RIAA update should be interesting.

    Personally I was never a fan though...
    Honestly I never listenned to them

    That's incredible to see how many albums were last certified in 86, before the eligibility of Club/Military sales.

    Their RIAA total is outstanding considering how many undercertified albums they have - 37 million.

    I think that each of their 8 first albums are over 2.5 million, or at least very close to the mark. "Greatest Hits Vol 2", even if it performed poorly, can't be under the Gold status. '16' and Live At Carnegie Hall are both likely double Platinum. "Greatest Hits" was certified 5xP in 91 - It scanned over 1.6 million copies.
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    by 07-12-08, 00:00

    Quote Originally Posted by MJDangerous
    Quote Originally Posted by Dane
    Thanks! Very succesful band, and strong catalog sales - at least their compilations.

    Besides one new compilation they have no new certs since 1997. Many not since 1986. A RIAA update should be interesting.

    Personally I was never a fan though...
    Honestly I never listenned to them

    That's incredible to see how many albums were last certified in 86, before the eligibility of Club/Military sales.

    Their RIAA total is outstanding considering how many undercertified albums they have - 37 million.

    I think that each of their 8 first albums are over 2.5 million, or at least very close to the mark. "Greatest Hits Vol 2", even if it performed poorly, can't be under the Gold status. '16' and Live At Carnegie Hall are both likely double Platinum. "Greatest Hits" was certified 5xP in 91 - It scanned over 1.6 million copies.
    About GH. How is the 1,616,000 split between the two versions? I never saw a number for the original. I have 1,307,000 from jan06, shortly after the remaster was released in October 2005. But I was never able to update that figure, because I don't know how much came from the original. :-?

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    by 07-12-08, 00:33

    Quote Originally Posted by MJDangerous
    "Greatest Hits Vol 2", even if it performed poorly, can't be under the Gold status.
    Yes how weird that their first GH (69-75) and GH 82-89 both sold over 5,000,000 and GH2 covering the years in between isn't even gold?
    Granted it covered their least succesful period, but it did cover If You Leave Me Now, one of their biggest hits, a #1 smash from X (1976).

    I suppose the compilation titled If You Leave Me Now released the following year stole all the sales. That one included IYLMN as well as some of their earlier hits.

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    by 17-12-08, 20:26

    Carnegie Hall has riaa shipments of only 500,000 under the criteria for 1986
    The 50k soundscan covers all versions - 3CD, extended 4CD, plus cassettes and vinyl.


    Chicago's old studio albums have not done well in the soundscan era - most of their soundscan sales have been compilations.

    Their sales dipped for a few years in the late 70's/early 80's.

    1978 - Hot Street - peaked #12 - 1m riaa

    1979 - 13 - peaked #21 - 0.5m riaa

    1980 - 14 - peaked #71 - 0 riaa

    1981 - 15 - peaked #172 - 0 riaa

    So no surprise that 15 (GH vol 2) isn't Gold

    They had a huge riaa catalogue update in 1986. Sales of their 70's albums would have run their course by then.

    After Jan 1991 they still had riaa updates happening on II, IX and XVII for instance.

    There is no evidence from soundscan that loads of their studio albums need an update. They would have needed to scan at least 750k since 1991 to update from mainly platinum sales and they haven't.

    There is also no evidence about military base or record club sales of studio albums. The big sellers here would be the compilations once again - and these have often been updated since 1991.

    As far as the music goes, the first few albums had some decent songs and a great horn section that was different then - but some of it has dated, particularly all the jamming and stuff.

    After that they went more and more MOR until they were smack on the white line. Still they sold more records than in the 70's. I'd need to be paid cash to listen to all that MOR stuff.

    Fortunately I don't think there are many fans on this forum....

    Fair play to them on all those Gold and Platinum albums though.
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    by 17-12-08, 20:38

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil
    There is no evidence from soundscan that loads of their studio albums need an update. They would have needed to scan at least 750k since 1991 to update from mainly platinum sales and they haven't.
    Why 750k? You are missing the fact that they were all certified together in 1986. Most of them look highly likely to have been already pretty close to the next award.

    The Plat cert of "II" in 1991 is definitely not comprehensive. It is their best selling studio album after 17.

    At Carnegie Hall was certified for a million. It was Gold back in 1971 when multi-discs were certified just like single discs, the same is true in 86.
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    by 17-12-08, 20:59

    Quote Originally Posted by MJDangerous
    Quote Originally Posted by Basil
    There is no evidence from soundscan that loads of their studio albums need an update. They would have needed to scan at least 750k since 1991 to update from mainly platinum sales and they haven't.
    Why 750k? You are missing the fact that they were all certified together in 1986. Most of them look highly likely to have been already pretty close to the next award.
    Because sales from 1987-1990 aren't soundscan covered, so you need 1m from 1987 to now. Their old studio stuff hasn't sold in those quantities.

    Why are they "highly likely" to be close to the next award?
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    by 17-12-08, 21:05

    Quote Originally Posted by MJDangerous

    The Plat cert of "II" in 1991 is definitely not comprehensive. It is their best selling studio album after 17.
    Ten studio albums were Platinum or higher in 1986. II was only Gold. It was updated in 1991 (with military sales) to only Platinum.

    It hasn't sold much since then.
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    by 17-12-08, 21:13

    Quote Originally Posted by MJDangerous

    At Carnegie Hall was certified for a million. It was Gold back in 1971 when multi-discs were certified just like single discs, the same is true in 86.
    1986 Rules

    A Gold certification requires that 250,000 copies be shipped. Also the wholesales value must exceed $2 million.

    A Platinum certification requires that 500,000 copies be shipped. Also the wholesale value must exceed $4 million.

    So Carnegie Hall is audited for 500,000 sales.

    In 1971 when it went "Gold" this was for a wholesale value of only $1 million - the number sold was not a factor until 1975. As a quadruple album it had probably sold less than 200,000 units by that point.

    Essentially the update from 1971 to 1986 was from a wholesale value of $1m to $4m.
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    by 17-12-08, 22:35

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil
    Quote Originally Posted by MJDangerous
    Quote Originally Posted by Basil
    There is no evidence from soundscan that loads of their studio albums need an update. They would have needed to scan at least 750k since 1991 to update from mainly platinum sales and they haven't.
    Why 750k? You are missing the fact that they were all certified together in 1986. Most of them look highly likely to have been already pretty close to the next award.
    Because sales from 1987-1990 aren't soundscan covered, so you need 1m from 1987 to now. Their old studio stuff hasn't sold in those quantities.

    Why are they "highly likely" to be close to the next award?
    Because they all reached Gold very easily and most Plat albums performed just as well as 2xPlat albums, 2xPlat albums that were themself not 'just' at 2 million.

    Quote Originally Posted by Basil
    Quote Originally Posted by MJDangerous

    The Plat cert of "II" in 1991 is definitely not comprehensive. It is their best selling studio album after 17.
    Ten studio albums were Platinum or higher in 1986. II was only Gold. It was updated in 1991 (with military sales) to only Platinum.

    It hasn't sold much since then.
    And why wasn't it updated with others in 86? As I said, it is their second best selling studio album. It was Gold within' 2 months, stayed over 1 year top 20 and 2 years charted.
    His initial run is much better than Chicago I, their catalog sales were pretty much equal. Do you honestly believe it hasn't shipped 500k from Apr 1970 to 1986? That's just impossible.

    In 1979, when all their albums were updated in Canada (they all performed the same as in the US), their biggest seller was exactly II, tied with Greatest Hits, both at 3xPlatinum.

    All sales from Apr 1970 to 1975 are likely missing in the 1991 award. They haven't certified it in 1986 exactly due to it.

    At Carnegie Hall wasn't priced as a 4 disc box, just like the 3 first albums (all double albums) were sold at the price of a single disc. At Carnegie Hall was more successful than III and was said to be a million seller in the US years before its Plat cert.
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    by 15-04-09, 13:46

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    by 18-04-09, 16:43

    Top Catalog Albums
    Week Ending 4/12/09

    Wks Rank Scans
    On Label 2W LW TW * Artist Title TW LW % RTD

    1 RHI 179 CHICAGO BEST OF CHICAGO: 40TH ANNIVERS 1,527 1,307 17 193,013
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    by 16-05-09, 12:46

    From ask billboard, 15 may

    In terms of overall hit songs on the Billboard Hot 100, Chicago has collected 46, Fleetwood Mac 25. Their top 40 totals stand at 34 for Chicago and 18 for the Mac. Chicago has notched 20 top 10s, Fleetwood Mac nine. Chicago also has more No. 1s, three to one. So, as for hit singles, Chicago wins.

    Now let's check each group's album sales since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking data in 1991 (realizing, of course, that the acts released much of their highest-charting product in the '70s and '80s). Since the dawn of the SoundScan era, Chicago has totaled 11.9 million in album sales. Fleetwood Mac has sold 16.6 million. So, going by album sales according to Nielsen SoundScan, Fleetwood Mac wins.

    A possible tie-breaker? Fleetwood Mac was enshrined in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1998. Despite its immense success, Chicago, surprisingly, has yet to be elected.

    When it comes to your bet, I'll diplomatically stand back and let you and your brother interpret the information as you see fit. Fleetwood Mac's most recent Hot 100 entry was, after all, entitled "Peacekeeper."
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    by 14-06-09, 12:12

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    by 14-06-09, 22:42

    I don't think Chicago's 70's albums are ever going to have proper recertifications. Columbia distributed those albums during the 70's to 90's, but now Warner has the rights to those albums, so proper audits are probably never gonna happen. Though I do think we could see a 2m cert for Chicago 16, which has always been on Warner.

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    by 26-09-09, 13:51

    9/19 chart Top Catalog
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    22 RHI 133 126 104 CHICAGO BEST OF CHICAGO: 40TH ANNIVERS 1,791 19 1,503 227,524
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    by 18-02-12, 03:54

    Canada Sales (CRIA)
    Very Best of Chicago: 50,000
    Chicago: 50,000
    Chicago 13: 50,000
    Chicago 16: 50,000
    Chicago at Carnegie Hall: 50,000
    Chicago II: 300,000
    Chicago III: 50,000
    Chicago IX Greatest Hits: 300,000
    Chicago V: 100,000
    Chicago VI: 100,000
    Chicago VII: 50,000
    Chicago VIII: 50,000
    Chicago X: 100,000
    Chicago XI: 100,000
    Greatest Hits 1982-89: 50,000
    Hot Streets: 100,000
    Transit Authority: 100,000
    Total Sales--> 1,500,000

    Pretty impressive sales in Canada for Chicago.

    UK (BPI) Sales
    Complete Greatest Hits 60,000
    The Heart of Chicago 300,000
    Chicago 17 100,000
    Chicago X 60,000
    Total Sales: 520,000

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    by 20-02-12, 19:26

    2 177 146 CHICAGO CHICAGO IX-CHICAGO'S GREATEST 1683 15 1461 522156

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    by 22-03-12, 15:47

    New Release: 1 174 * CHICAGO IF YOU LEAVE ME NOW (AND OTHER 1509 999 3 1512

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    Week of June 23,2012
    2 139 61 CHICAGO VERY BEST OF: ONLY THE BEGINNI 2373 42 1673 1115872

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    by 26-08-12, 04:52

    9/1 Catalog charts:

    163 CHICAGO BEST OF CHICAGO: 40TH ANNIVERS 1430 +13% 1265 364,293

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    Week of December 22, 2012

    10 RHI 110 92 91 CHICAGO CHRISTMAS: WHAT'S IT GONNA BE 4,248 13 3,773 273,024

    7 RHP 160 152 163 CHICAGO CHICAGO XXXIII: O CHRISTMAS TR 2,261 6 2,125 10,280

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    by 22-12-12, 19:59

    US Sales

    Key
    year of US release
    year of most recent RIAA Certification
    RIAA Shipment Sales
    Soundscan Sales
    Due for Certification

    Studio Albums
    1969 1986 Transit Authority 2,000,000
    1970 1991 II 1,000,000
    1971 1986 III 1,000,000
    1972 1986 V 2,000,000
    1973 1986 VI 2,000,000
    1974 1986 VII 1,000,000
    1975 1986 VIII 1,000,000
    1976 1986 X 2,000,000
    1977 1977 XI 1,000,000
    1978 1978 Hot Streets 1,000,000
    1979 1979 13 500,000
    1980 none XIV
    1982 1982 16 1,000,000
    1984 1997 17 6,000,000 490,000
    1986 1986 18 500,000
    1988 1989 19 1,000,000
    1991 none Twenty 1
    1995 none Night And Day
    1998 1999 Chicago XXV: The Christmas Album 500,000
    2003 none Chicago Christmas: Whats it Gonna Be Santa 275,000 (12/2012)
    2006 none XXX 32,000 (04/2006)
    2008 none XXXII, Stone Of Sisyphus 27,000
    2011 O Christmas Tree: Chicago XXXIII 50,000

    Live Albums
    1971 1986 Chicago at Carnegie Hall 1,000,000 50,000
    1999 Chicago XXVI: Live in Concert
    2011 Chicago XXXVI: Live in Concert '75

    Compilation Albums
    1975 1991 Chicago's Greatest Hits 5,000,000 1,310,000 (01/2006), 560,104 (03/2013) Total: 6,870,104
    1981 none Greatest Hits Volume 2
    1983 1991 If You Leave Me Now 1,000,000
    1989 1997 Greatest Hits 82-89 5,000,000 2,573,000
    1997 1997 The Heart Of Chicago 67-97 500,000
    1998 none The Heart Of Chicago 67-98 Vol 2
    2002 2005 The Very Best Of: Only the Beginning 2,000,000 1,307,300 (03/2013)
    2005 none Love Songs 53,362
    2007 2010 The Best Of 40th Anv. 500,000 375,000 Sep. 2012
    2012 If You Leave Me Now (And Other Hits) 102,100 (04/2013)


    *Chicago, like many bands in the 60s-70s have a backcatalogue that has not been updated in many years. The majority of their studio albums have not been recertified since 1986. Actual album sales in the United States are most likely around: 45.5 million

    RIAA Sales: 38.5 million

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