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    by » 07-09-09, 19:16

    MUSIC WEEK MARKS ITS 50th ANNIVERSARY in next week’s issue with a free celebratory supplement looking back on the last half century of the music industry.
    The special supplement will take a detailed, decade-by-decade look at the key developments and moments since Music Week predecessor Record Retailer launched in the summer of 1959.

    There are also exclusive interviews and profiles of many of the industry’s key figures and executives explaining landmark developments in the history of the modern industry.

    Among the names featured are Cliff Richard, who with The Shadows was number one with Living Doll when the first issue of Record Retailer was published. Sir Cliff offers a unique artist’s insight into how the industry has grown and developed from the pioneering days of the late Fifties to the digital-shaped industry today.

    Within the supplement we will also take a look at the biggest selling singles and albums of the past 50 years, including the top - selling singles and albums of each year and an exclusive countdown courtesy of the Official Charts Company of the 50 biggest-selling albums since 1959. All of this will be accompanied by overviews of the singles and albums markets over the past 50 years by Music Week’s chart expert Alan Jones.

    Music Week editor Paul Williams says, “We have been busy over these past few months putting together this supplement to serve both as a souvenir to mark the first 50 years of Music Week and as a fitting tribute to the music industry during this time”.

    Available next Monday from W H Smith.

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    by » 07-09-09, 20:37

    It will be a fantastic issue, similar to Billboard's 100th Anniversary special issue in 1994.

    I can't wait!
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    by » 07-09-09, 22:58

    Let's see if they have the right Best Selling Album
    of 1980. Alan Jones thinks it was 'Zenyatta
    Mondatta', by The Police. But, that was only No.1
    for 1980, in the Year End List that cut off on
    W/E 6th December. When the final few Weeks Sales of
    1980 were added in, 'Super Trouper', by ABBA, rose
    from 4th place to 1st place for 1980. So the ABBA
    Album was 1st for 1980, & The Police Album was 2nd.

    Alan Jones revealed this in 1981 - but, he's since
    forgotten, & he tends to say that The Police Album
    was the Best Seller of 1980.....

    We'll see what next Week's 'Music Week' says.....

    Zeus555

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    by » 08-09-09, 16:53

    I haven't bought MW for a while - largely owing to the ridiculous price-tag - but this issue will be a must, although I daresay it will contain debatable facts and figures and will primarily serve as a basis for various arguments on this forum as to which is correct. But then that's what us chart-followers do best isn't it?!

    Without wishing to sound picky, it's a shame the OCC's best-sellers lists will only be taking data from 1959. That said, although it will undoubtedly be regarded by many as gospel truth because it bears the OCC's name and has an Alan Jones review attached, surely such a chart will suffer from the good old problem of variable and incomplete sales figures in the pre-1980s years, just as the 2002 tabulation did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SimoneMJJ
    We can sing an alleluja for this
    Which version? Alexandra Burke's, Jeff Buckley's, or Leonard Cohen's??

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    by » 08-09-09, 19:03

    It is going to contain the top selling singles & albums, however there is no mention how big these lists will be? They could only be top 10.. Also sales info will probably be very limited. Im not getting excited until Ive actually seen what is there!

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    by » 08-09-09, 20:03

    Quote Originally Posted by irishguy28
    Quote Originally Posted by SimoneMJJ
    We can sing an alleluja for this
    Which version? Alexandra Burke's, Jeff Buckley's, or Leonard Cohen's??
    They are all beautiful, but for her voice, i choice Alexandra

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    by » 08-09-09, 21:05

    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Let's see if they have the right Best Selling Album
    of 1980. Alan Jones thinks it was 'Zenyatta
    Mondatta', by The Police. But, that was only No.1
    for 1980, in the Year End List that cut off on
    W/E 6th December. When the final few Weeks Sales of
    1980 were added in, 'Super Trouper', by ABBA, rose
    from 4th place to 1st place for 1980. So the ABBA
    Album was 1st for 1980, & The Police Album was 2nd.

    Alan Jones revealed this in 1981 - but, he's since
    forgotten, & he tends to say that The Police Album
    was the Best Seller of 1980.....

    We'll see what next Week's 'Music Week' says.....

    Zeus555
    Similarly, the best selling single for 1977 was initially Don't Give Up On Us by David Soul but once the final three or so weeks worth of sales were included the best seller was Mull Of Kintyre by Wings. Alan Jones tends to mention the former as the year end best seller rather than the latter.

    With the Abba album he should have no reason to forget it ended up the year end best seller in 1980 as he compiled that revised end of year chart! With the David Soul / Wings scenario in 1977 at least he wasn't involved in the revised chart calculation and possibly may not even be aware of a revised chart, though I can't imagine that to be the case.

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    by » 08-09-09, 21:10

    Quote Originally Posted by Gambo

    Without wishing to sound picky, it's a shame the OCC's best-sellers lists will only be taking data from 1959.
    There were few million-selling singles prior to 1959 in the UK, and to be honest, the British music scene of the fifties was totally boring compared to the US scene of the same era.

    There were exceptions of course (Lonnie Donegan, Sir Cliff Richard) but acts like Max Bygraves and Tommy Steele can't compare to American crooners like Eddie Fisher or Tony Bennett.

    Fortunately, the situation changed in the sixties.
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    by » 08-09-09, 21:15

    Did Alan compile the revised 1980 album chart?

    I was under the impression that these were compiled anyway, and printed in Music Week a few weeks into the new year, and Record Mirror followed suit.

    I'm fairly sure I've seen them in Music Week along with the 4th quarter Top 10s and attendant market share statistics.

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    by » 08-09-09, 21:19

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Let's see if they have the right Best Selling Album
    of 1980. Alan Jones thinks it was 'Zenyatta
    Mondatta', by The Police. But, that was only No.1
    for 1980, in the Year End List that cut off on
    W/E 6th December. When the final few Weeks Sales of
    1980 were added in, 'Super Trouper', by ABBA, rose
    from 4th place to 1st place for 1980. So the ABBA
    Album was 1st for 1980, & The Police Album was 2nd.

    Alan Jones revealed this in 1981 - but, he's since
    forgotten, & he tends to say that The Police Album
    was the Best Seller of 1980.....

    We'll see what next Week's 'Music Week' says.....

    Zeus555
    Similarly, the best selling single for 1977 was initially Don't Give Up On Us by David Soul but once the final three or so weeks worth of sales were included the best seller was Mull Of Kintyre by Wings. Alan Jones tends to mention the former as the year end best seller rather than the latter.

    With the Abba album he should have no reason to forget it ended up the year end best seller in 1980 as he compiled that revised end of year chart! With the David Soul / Wings scenario in 1977 at least he wasn't involved in the revised chart calculation and possibly may not even be aware of a revised chart, though I can't imagine that to be the case.
    Personally I have both charts (the original and the revised), but I remember that officially David Soul's single was the #1 hit of the year.

    Ironically "Mull Of Kintyre" was the #1 for the entire decade. There's a lot of confussion when it comes to the annual UK year-end charts.

    In the sixties Music Week used a points system instead of the actual sales to calculate the annual hits.

    Engelbert Humperdinck had the entire Top 3 of the year in 1967 (!)
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    by » 09-09-09, 02:14

    Quote Originally Posted by MFR
    Did Alan compile the revised 1980 album chart?

    I was under the impression that these were compiled anyway, and printed in Music Week a few weeks into the new year, and Record Mirror followed suit.

    I'm fairly sure I've seen them in Music Week along with the 4th quarter Top 10s and attendant market share statistics.
    I just assumed he'd compiled the revised album chart in 1980 as I remember him once commenting that he'd compiled a revised singles chart for both 1980 and 1981 and from that thought that perhaps he may have compiled the revised albums chart too. In fact I'm now wondering if he may have compiled the revised charts for Chartwatch, the chart fanzine that he regularly mentioned in his Record Mirror columns back in the 80s. It's possible that he may have had no part to play in compiling the revised official charts, though he certainly published them in his Record Mirror column. At the very least, he certainly seems to have forgotten about listing a revised official singles and album chart for 1980 in his column in March 1981!

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    by » 09-09-09, 02:18

    Quote Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust
    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Let's see if they have the right Best Selling Album
    of 1980. Alan Jones thinks it was 'Zenyatta
    Mondatta', by The Police. But, that was only No.1
    for 1980, in the Year End List that cut off on
    W/E 6th December. When the final few Weeks Sales of
    1980 were added in, 'Super Trouper', by ABBA, rose
    from 4th place to 1st place for 1980. So the ABBA
    Album was 1st for 1980, & The Police Album was 2nd.

    Alan Jones revealed this in 1981 - but, he's since
    forgotten, & he tends to say that The Police Album
    was the Best Seller of 1980.....

    We'll see what next Week's 'Music Week' says.....

    Zeus555
    Similarly, the best selling single for 1977 was initially Don't Give Up On Us by David Soul but once the final three or so weeks worth of sales were included the best seller was Mull Of Kintyre by Wings. Alan Jones tends to mention the former as the year end best seller rather than the latter.

    With the Abba album he should have no reason to forget it ended up the year end best seller in 1980 as he compiled that revised end of year chart! With the David Soul / Wings scenario in 1977 at least he wasn't involved in the revised chart calculation and possibly may not even be aware of a revised chart, though I can't imagine that to be the case.
    Personally I have both charts (the original and the revised), but I remember that officially David Soul's single was the #1 hit of the year.

    Ironically "Mull Of Kintyre" was the #1 for the entire decade. There's a lot of confussion when it comes to the annual UK year-end charts.

    In the sixties Music Week used a points system instead of the actual sales to calculate the annual hits.

    Engelbert Humperdinck had the entire Top 3 of the year in 1967 (!)
    Englebert may have had the top 3 of the year in 1967 even if it had been based on sales! At the very least weren't the top 2 best sellers of 1967 Release Me and then The Last Waltz?

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    by » 09-09-09, 11:41

    Alan Jones revealed the correct Year End Charts for
    1980 in the W/E 21st March 1981 Issue of 'Record
    Mirror'. They are up-dated Sales Lists - by the
    BMRB. He just reported on what the up-dated Lists
    were.

    The up-dated Lists include Sales for W/E 13th,
    20th, & 27th December 1980. (The Chart of W/E 3rd
    January 1981 MAY have been added to 1980 too - I'm
    not sure. The Sales for W/E 3rd January 2009 were
    counted as being 2008 Sales by The OCC).

    The List that had The Police with the No.1 Album of
    1980, only took into account Sales to W/E 6th
    December 1980. The Y/E Singles List - to 6th
    December - had 'Super Trouper', by ABBA, as the 28th
    Best Seller of 1980. When the final Weeks of 1980
    were added in it jumped from No.28 to No.4 for the
    Year.

    LINK - PROOF (Just Click on the Link & then Click
    on the Article - to Enlarge it):,

    (ALAN JONES wrote it).

    http://scans.chartarchive.org/UK/1981/1 ... Albums.jpg

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    by » 09-09-09, 11:51

    As for taking into account sales for the chart W/E 3 Jan '81, I believe there was no chart published (and presumably none compiled?) for that week so it seems likely that only sales for up to W/E 27 Dec '80 (i.e. survey week ending Sat 20th) would've been added for the year-end revision.

    Was it the case that there was a similar revision for 1981's sales? Not sure what the cut-off point was for the original tabulation but it must've been early Dec as I seem to recall the BMRB listing the Human League's "Dont You Want Me" as only the 20th best-seller. I know it didn't rack up its millionth sale until early '82 but surely it would've sold enough by the end of Dec '81 to have occupied a berth in the Top 10 of the year? I have seen some sources claim it was the top-selling single of the year (not "Tainted Love" as the original BMRB chart had it), but I rather suspect they mean it went on to become the biggest-selling single released DURING 1981.

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    by » 09-09-09, 12:26

    Gambo - Yes there was a similar revision for 1981
    - and for 1982. In both cases, The BMRB wanted to
    get the Year's Best Sellers Charts to the UK Media
    before Christmas. So - as in 1980 - they had an early
    December 'cut off' point.
    Then, in each case, they published the entire
    Year's Best Sellers early the next Year.

    As I'm an ABBA Fan, I recall where ABBA Albums were
    in those Year End Charts:,

    1) In the early cut off Chart for 1981, 'The
    Visitors' was only No.80 for the Year. The 'Super
    Trouper' Album was 37th.

    2) In the Chart for all of 1981, 'The Visitors'
    jumped from No.80 to No.17, & 'Super Trouper' fell
    from No.37 to No.50 - because there were a lot of
    big Sellers in the final Weeks of 1981.

    3) In the early cut off Year End Chart for 1982,
    'The Singles' was at No.36. When the entire Year was
    added in, 'The Singles' was No.25. (I don't recall
    where 'the Visitors' was in either Year End Chart for
    1982).

    4) The same thing happened with the Year End
    Singles Charts of 1981 & 1982.

    Zeus555

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    by » 09-09-09, 21:53

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust
    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Let's see if they have the right Best Selling Album
    of 1980. Alan Jones thinks it was 'Zenyatta
    Mondatta', by The Police. But, that was only No.1
    for 1980, in the Year End List that cut off on
    W/E 6th December. When the final few Weeks Sales of
    1980 were added in, 'Super Trouper', by ABBA, rose
    from 4th place to 1st place for 1980. So the ABBA
    Album was 1st for 1980, & The Police Album was 2nd.

    Alan Jones revealed this in 1981 - but, he's since
    forgotten, & he tends to say that The Police Album
    was the Best Seller of 1980.....

    We'll see what next Week's 'Music Week' says.....

    Zeus555
    Similarly, the best selling single for 1977 was initially Don't Give Up On Us by David Soul but once the final three or so weeks worth of sales were included the best seller was Mull Of Kintyre by Wings. Alan Jones tends to mention the former as the year end best seller rather than the latter.

    With the Abba album he should have no reason to forget it ended up the year end best seller in 1980 as he compiled that revised end of year chart! With the David Soul / Wings scenario in 1977 at least he wasn't involved in the revised chart calculation and possibly may not even be aware of a revised chart, though I can't imagine that to be the case.
    Personally I have both charts (the original and the revised), but I remember that officially David Soul's single was the #1 hit of the year.

    Ironically "Mull Of Kintyre" was the #1 for the entire decade. There's a lot of confussion when it comes to the annual UK year-end charts.

    In the sixties Music Week used a points system instead of the actual sales to calculate the annual hits.

    Engelbert Humperdinck had the entire Top 3 of the year in 1967 (!)
    Englebert may have had the top 3 of the year in 1967 even if it had been based on sales! At the very least weren't the top 2 best sellers of 1967 Release Me and then The Last Waltz?
    "Release Me" was definitely the best seller of 1967 but I'm not sure about "The Last Waltz".

    Strangely enough "There Goes My Everything" was higher than "The Last Waltz" on the annual chart even though it peaked at #2 on the weekly chart, while "Waltz" was #1.

    Here's Music Week's Year-End Singles Chart of 1967:

    1 RELEASE ME Engelbert Humperdinck
    2 THERE GOES MY EVERYTHING Engelbert Humperdinck
    3 THE LAST WALTZ Engelbert Humperdinck
    4 JUST LOVING YOU Anita Harris
    5 SAN FRANCISCO Scott McKenzie
    6 PUPPET ON A STRING Sandie Shaw
    7 I'LL NEVER FALL IN LOVE AGAIN Tom Jones
    8 THERE MUST BE A WAY Frankie Vaughan
    9 A WHITER SHADE OF PALE Procol Harum
    10 I'M A BELIEVER The Monkees
    11 SOMETHIN' STUPID Frank & Nancy Sinatra
    12 DEDICATED TO THE ONE I LOVE The Mamas and the Papas
    13 IT MUST BE HIM Vikki Carr
    14 EXCERPT FROM A TEENAGE OPERA Keith West
    15 MASSACHUSETTS The Bee Gees
    16 SILENCE IS GOLDEN The Tremeloes
    17 EDELWEISS Vince Hill
    18 ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE The Beatles
    19 THIS IS MY SONG Petula Clark
    20 IF I WERE A RICH MAN Topol
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    by » 09-09-09, 22:56

    Quote Originally Posted by ZiggyStardust
    It will be a fantastic issue, similar to Billboard's 100th Anniversary special issue in 1994.
    It'll be a lot slimmer than the Billboard special.... I still have that - it was a brilliant issue, very well put together. I can't see the Music Week issue being anywhere near as good!

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    by » 10-09-09, 11:09

    I fear this may be correct. However, we should all hold our breath and wait until Monday to judge. At the very least it will be an absorbing read and a nice landmark issue to own for non-industry as well as industry readers.

    All the same, at the risk of being guilty of excess pedantry, I can't help but think the milestone is somewhat misleading. Granted, essentially the publication has been going for 50 years, but the title of "Music Week" is only actually 37 years 6 months old, having only replaced the original title of "Record Retailer" in March 1972. (Actually wasn't it "Record & Tape Retailer" for a while before that, and wasn't MW re-named "Music & Video Week" for a while?!).
    It's similar to the great fanfare of November 2002 when the official chart was heralded as being 50; a singles sales chart had been in production for 50 years, but could only have been regarded as "official" for what was then 33 years 9 months, as only in February 1969 did BMRB take over from the previous independent audit system.

    Oh God have I got nothing better to do than split hairs?!

    PS: Thanks for clarifiying re the early '80s year-enders.

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    by » 10-09-09, 11:59

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by zeus555
    Let's see if they have the right Best Selling Album
    of 1980. Alan Jones thinks it was 'Zenyatta
    Mondatta', by The Police. But, that was only No.1
    for 1980, in the Year End List that cut off on
    W/E 6th December. When the final few Weeks Sales of
    1980 were added in, 'Super Trouper', by ABBA, rose
    from 4th place to 1st place for 1980. So the ABBA
    Album was 1st for 1980, & The Police Album was 2nd.

    Alan Jones revealed this in 1981 - but, he's since
    forgotten, & he tends to say that The Police Album
    was the Best Seller of 1980.....

    We'll see what next Week's 'Music Week' says.....

    Zeus555
    Similarly, the best selling single for 1977 was initially Don't Give Up On Us by David Soul but once the final three or so weeks worth of sales were included the best seller was Mull Of Kintyre by Wings. Alan Jones tends to mention the former as the year end best seller rather than the latter.

    With the Abba album he should have no reason to forget it ended up the year end best seller in 1980 as he compiled that revised end of year chart! With the David Soul / Wings scenario in 1977 at least he wasn't involved in the revised chart calculation and possibly may not even be aware of a revised chart, though I can't imagine that to be the case.
    If it shows bestsellers based on sales within the year then Mull must be first, whichever way they look at it. Company issues, retail numbers, or simple orders all have just one winner from Jan 1 to Dec 31. But we all know the old cut-off point for the physical returns that made up the weekly chart caused problems. So, let's see what they do - just more lists and without definitions and parameters they will mean nothing.

    As for the 1980 albums, not so sure about shipments but Abba at retail were nearly 20% ahead by the end of the year, so you'd expect any realistic list to again make those adjustments and state that was the case. It's really that simple with these lists - clarify the period and strictures involved in creating them. But like Gambo says, that would leave nothing to argue about!

    If they want to stick with what was originally published that's fine too - providing they state the obvious caveats. But the mish-mash is what is so annoying and unnecessary for so-called experts to produce.

    Which do we expect. Lol.

    Regards,

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    by » 10-09-09, 12:04

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by MFR
    Did Alan compile the revised 1980 album chart?

    I was under the impression that these were compiled anyway, and printed in Music Week a few weeks into the new year, and Record Mirror followed suit.

    I'm fairly sure I've seen them in Music Week along with the 4th quarter Top 10s and attendant market share statistics.
    I just assumed he'd compiled the revised album chart in 1980 as I remember him once commenting that he'd compiled a revised singles chart for both 1980 and 1981 and from that thought that perhaps he may have compiled the revised albums chart too. In fact I'm now wondering if he may have compiled the revised charts for Chartwatch, the chart fanzine that he regularly mentioned in his Record Mirror columns back in the 80s. It's possible that he may have had no part to play in compiling the revised official charts, though he certainly published them in his Record Mirror column. At the very least, he certainly seems to have forgotten about listing a revised official singles and album chart for 1980 in his column in March 1981!
    Hi MFR/Robbie - Too much like hard work in 1981 - AJ was settling into a nice little paid number when time was money. I would expect we'd all do the same. The original data was created by BMRB, including year-end analyses. If you wanted to add post 49th week info you could. Like I say, as long as it's revealed, I'm fine with either stance.

    Topicel

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