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    “Pick and Top of the Pops” January 1964 - 6th February 1969.


    The first version of the BBCs, Pick Of The Pops programme was broadcast on 4 October 1955 and was hosted by Franklyn Engleman. After about a year Alan Dell took over, a few months later David Jacobs became the host.

    The first few years the show played randomly selected records that were high in the various music paper charts. There was no chart run down at all, just a random selection.

    On 29 March 1958 the first important change was introduced. From this date the program would play the new entries that week, then the climbers and finally the top three. It finished by playing a choice of new releases that week.

    This came about due to four national charts being published weekly by March 1958. These were the New Musical Express Top 30 and the Record Mirror, Melody Maker and Disc Top 20s.

    BBC producer Derek Chinnery would receive the four charts and conduct a points system to work out a weighted average chart. One point would be given to a number 1 position on a chart; two points for a number 2, and so on! There was a system applied by Derek to cut down too many tied positions which was rather complicated. It utilised the `last week` positions regarding records moving up or down the chart before they tied! The system wasn’t applied to No1 tied placements, hence the chart having quite a few in its early years, particularly 1959!

    The chart was compiled on a Friday to be broadcast that evening from 11pm. It was a Top 20 to 14 April 1962. On this date the Melody Maker chart increased from a Top 20 to Top 30. This meant that along with the New Musical Express Top 30 and Record Retailer Top 50, there was enough data to compile the Pick Of The Pops Top 30. Discs chart increased to a Top 30 on 6 October 1962.

    From June 27 to 8 August a newspaper strike hit all papers bar the NME. However! The charts were still compiled and handed over to Derek Chinnery for him to use in this period.

    From 21 May 1960 only the New Musical Express, Melody Maker and Disc charts were used due to the Record Mirror charts not being handed to the BBC in time for use.

    Another national chart had commenced on March 10 1960 in the trade paper Record Retailer. It was a top 50 in size. The Record Retailer chart was not used at this time by Derek Chinnery as it was not regarded then as an important listing.

    From the week ending Saturday 8 April 1961 the charts were now compiled on Thursdays.

    On 23 September 1961 Alan Freeman took over as host. The show was part of a bigger programme titled “Trad Tavern” which was set up to cover the burgeoning Trad Jazz boom of 1961-2. Pick Of The Pops was included as part of the whole. In January 1962 Pick Of The Pops went back to its solo status.

    From 30 March 1962 the Record Retailer chart was now included as it was now being published in Record Mirror (Record Mirror discontinued its own chart on 24 March 1962due to high postal costs.) The chart was occasionally too late to be used from 1962 to 1966. However it was no where as often late as Record Mirrors, own listing used to be, so it was kept in the averaged chart.

    *Note! All dates are those of transmission.

    THE PICK OF THE POPS CHARTS 1958 to 1964.



    Key. + = Straight entry at No1.
    # = Tied at No1.

    Date. Title. Artist (Brackets). Weeks At No1

    1958.

    29th March “Magic Moments” (Perry Como) 3

    19 April “Magic Moments” (Perry Como) #
    “Whole Lotta Woman” (Marvin Rainwater) # = 1

    26 April “Whole Lotta Woman” (Marvin Rainwater) 3
    17 May “Who’s Sorry Now” (Connie Francis) 6
    28 June “All I Have To Do Is Dream” (Everly Brothers) 8
    23 August “When” (Kalin Twins) 5
    27 September “Stupid Cupid / Carolina Moon” (Connie Francis) 5
    1 November “Bird Dog” (Everly Brothers) 3
    22 November “Hoots Mon!” (Lord Rockingham’s X1) 4
    20 December “Its Only Make Believe” (Conway Twitty) 6


    Date Title Artist (Brackets) Weeks At No1


    1959.

    31 January “I Got Stung / One Night” (Elvis Presley) 3
    21 February “As I Love You” (Shirley Bassey) 2

    7 March “As I Love You” (Shirley Bassey) #
    “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes” (Platters) # = 1

    14 March “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes” (Platters) 2

    28 March “Smoke Gets In Your Eyes” (Platters) #
    “Side Saddle” (Russ Conway) # = 1

    4 April “”Side Saddle” (Russ Conway) 3
    25 April “It Doesn’t Matter Any More” (Buddy Holly) 3

    16 May “It Doesn’t Matter Any More” (Buddy Holly) #
    “A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight” (Elvis Presley) # = 1

    23 May “A Fool Such As I / I Need Your Love Tonight” (Elvis Presley) 4
    20 June “Roulette” (Russ Conway) 1

    27 June “Roulette” (Russ Conway) #
    “Dream Lover” (Bobby Darin) # =1

    4 July “Dream Lover” (Bobby Darin) 4
    1 August “Living Doll” (Cliff Richard) 5
    5 September “Only Sixteen” (Craig Douglas) 5

    10 October “Only Sixteen” (Craig Douglas) #
    “Here Comes Summer” (Jerry Keller) # =1

    17 October “Here Comes Summer” (Jerry Keller) 1
    24 October “Travellin’ Light / Dynamite” (Cliff Richard) 6
    5 December “What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For” (Emile Ford) 1
    12 December “What Do You Want” (Adam Faith) 4


    Date Title Artist (Brackets) Weeks At No1


    1960.

    9 January “What Do You Want To Make Those Eyes At Me For” (Emile Ford) 3
    30 January “Starry Eyed” (Michael Holliday) 1
    6 February “Why” (Anthony Newley) 4

    5 March “Why” (Anthony Newley) #
    “Poor Me” (Adam Faith) # =1

    12 March “Poor Me” (Adam Faith) 1
    19 March “Running Bear” (Johnny Preston) 2
    2 April “My Old Man’s A Dustman” (Lonnie Donegan) 4
    30 April “Do You Mind” (Anthony Newley) 1
    7 May “Cathy’s Clown” (Everly Brothers) 8

    • Note! From 21 May 1960 only NME, MM & DISC charts used due to late arrival of Record Mirror lists.
    2 July “Good Timin’” (Jimmy Jones) 3
    23 July “Please Don’t Tease” (Cliff Richard) 4
    20 August “Apache” (Shadows) 6
    1 October “Tell Laura I Love Her” (Ricky Valance) 3
    22 October “Only The Lonely” (Roy Orbison) 2
    5 November “It’s Now Or Never”+ (Elvis Presley) +9

    Date Title Artist Weeks At No 1

    1961.

    7 January “Poetry In Motion” (Johnny Tillotson) 3

    28 January “Poetry In Motion” (Johnny Tillotson) #
    “Are You Lonesome Tonight” (Elvis Presley) # =1

    4 February “Are You Lonesome Tonight” (Elvis Presley) 4
    4 March “Walk Right Back” (Everly Brothers) 3
    25 March “Wooden Heart” (Elvis Presley) 4

    • Note! From Saturday 8 April 1961, the averaged charts were compiled on a Thursday. Previous to this, Friday had been the day of compilation.

    21 April “Are You Sure” (Allisons) 1
    28 April “Wooden Heart” (Elvis Presley) 1

    5 May “You’re Driving Me Crazy” (Temperence Seven) #
    “Blue Moon” (Marcels) # =1

    12 May “Blue Moon” (Marcels) 2
    26 May “Runaway” (Del Shannon) 1
    2 June “Surrender” (Elvis Presley) 3
    23 June “Runaway” (Del Shannon) 3
    14 July “Temptation” (Everly Brothers) 2
    28 July “Well I Ask You” (Eden Kane) 1
    4 August “You Don’t Know” (Helen Shapiro) 3
    25 August “Johnny Remember Me” (John Leyton) 6
    6 October “Michael: Row The Boat Ashore” (Highwaymen) 2
    20 October “Walkin’ Back To Happiness” (Helen Shapiro) 3
    10 November “Marie’s The Name – Of his Latest Flame” (Elvis Presley) 3
    1 December “Take Good Care Of My Baby” (Bobby Vee) 1
    8 December “Tower Of Strength” (Frankie Vaughn) 3
    29 December “Moon River” (Danny Williams) 1

    Date Title Artist Weeks At No 1.

    1962.

    5 January “Stranger On The Shore” (Mr Acker Bilk) 1
    12 January “The Young Ones” + (Cliff Richard) +6
    23 February “Rocka-Hula-Baby / Can’t Help Falling In Love” (Elvis Presley) 1
    2 March “The Young Ones” (Cliff Richard) 1
    9 March “March Of The Siamese Children” (Kenny Ball And His Jazzmen) 1

    16 March “March Of The Siamese Children” (Kenny Ball And His Jazzmen) #
    “Wonderful Land” (Shadows) # =1

    23 March “Wonderful Land” (Shadows) 7

    • Note! From 30 March 1962 the Record Retailer chart was added to NME, Melody Maker and Disc charts due to it being used by Record Mirror. There would still be weeks when the Retailer chart arrived too late for inclusion until 1966 when Record Retailer was able to get it to the BBC regularly on time.
    • Note! From 14 April 1962 the chart expanded to a Top 30. This was because Melody Maker had expanded its chart to a Top 30.

    11 May “Nut Rocker” (B.Bumble And The Stingers) 1
    18 May “Good Luck Charm” (Elvis Presley) 6
    29 June “Come Outside” (Mike Sarne) 1
    6 July “A Picture Of You” (Joe Brown) 1
    13 July “I Can’t Stop Loving You” (Ray Charles) 2
    27 July “I Remember You” (Frank Ifield) 7

    14 September “I Remember You” (Frank Ifield) #
    “She’s Not You” (Elvis Presley) # =1

    21 September “She’s Not You” (Elvis Presley) 2
    5 October “Telstar” (Tornadoes) 5
    9 November “Lovesick Blues” (Frank Ifield) 5
    14 December “Return To Sender” (Elvis Presley) 3

    Date Title Artist Weeks At Number 1

    1963.

    4 January “The Next Time / Bachelor Boy” (Cliff Richard) 3

    25 January “The Next time / Bachelor Boy” (Cliff Richard) #
    “Dance On” (Shadows) # =1

    1 February “Diamonds” (Jet Harris And Tony Meehan) 3
    22 February “Please Please Me” (Beatles) 2

    8 March “Please Please Me” (Beatles) #
    “Summer Holiday” (Cliff Richard) # =1

    15 March “Summer Holiday” (Cliff Richard) 2
    29 March “Foot Tapper” (Shadows) 1
    5 April “How Do you Do It” (Gerry And The Pacemakers) 4
    3 May “From Me To You” (Beatles) 5

    7 June “From Me To You” (Beatles) #
    “Do You Want To Know A Secret” (Billy J Kramer And The Dakotas) # =1

    14 June “I Like It” (Gerry And The Pacemakers) 5
    19 July “I’m Confessin’” (Frank Ifield) 3
    9 August “Sweets For My Sweet” (Searchers) 2
    23 August “Bad To Me” (Billy J Kramer And The Dakotas) 2
    6 September “She Loves You” (Beatles) 4

    4 October “She Loves You” (Beatles) #
    “Do you Love Me” (Brian Poole And The Tremeloes) =1

    11 October “Do You Love Me” (Brian Poole And The Tremeloes) 2
    25 October “You’ll Never Walk Alone” (Gerry And The Pacemakers) 4

    22 November “You’ll Never Walk Alone” (Gerry And The Pacemakers) #
    “She Loves You” (Beatles) # =1

    29 November “She Loves You” (Beatles) 2
    13 December “I Want To Hold Your Hand” (Beatles) 4

    * Note! On 27th December only NME and Record Retailer charts used due to Christmas Holidays.



    “Top Of The Pops” 1964 - 1969.


    Top Of The Pops commenced on BBC 1 at 6.35pm - 7pm Wednesday 1 January 1964. The transmission soon moved to every Thursday at 7pm from Thursday 24 September 1964. The chart used by the show (a Top 20) was still compiled by averaging out the charts from New Musical Express, Melody Maker, Disc and Record Retailer. Though the BBC- Pick Of The Pops chart was a Top 30, only the Top 20 positions were used on Top Of The Pops.

    THE No1’s.

    What follows is a list of the Top Of The Pops No1’s 1st January 1964 to 6th February 1969. The date of transmission is given to each entry. The first show was a Wednesday transmission. From 24 September 1964 dates are Thursdays.

    Key. + = Straight entry at No1.
    # = Tied at No1.



    Date Title. (Artist-Brackets) Weeks At No1

    1964.

    1 January “I Want To Hold Your Hand” (Beatles) 1

    8 January “I Want To Hold Your Hand” (Beatles) #
    “Glad All Over” (Dave Clark Five) # =1

    15 January “Glad All Over”(Dave Clark Five)
    29 January “Needles And Pins” (Searchers) 3
    19 February “Anyone Who Had A Heart” (Cilla Black) 4
    18 March “Little Children” (Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas) 1
    25 March “Can’t Buy Me Love”+ (Beatles) +3
    15 April “A World Without Love” (Peter and Gordon) 2
    29 April “Don’t Throw Your Love” Away (Searchers) 2
    13 May “Juliet” (Four Pennies) 2
    27 May “You’re My World” (Cilla Black) 3
    17 June “It’s Over” (Roy Orbison) 3
    8 July “House of The Rising Sun” (Animals) 1
    15 July “A Hard Days Night”+ (Beatles) +4
    12 August “Do Wah, Diddy-Diddy” (Manfred Mann) 2
    26 August “Have I The Right” (Honeycombs) 2

    9 September “Have I The Right” (Honeycombs) #
    “You Really Got Me” (Kinks) # =1

    16 September “You Really Got Me” (Kinks) 1
    23 September “I’m Into Something Good” (Hermans Hermits) 2
    8 October “Oh Pretty Woman” (Roy Orbison) 3
    29 October “There’s Always Something There To Remind Me” (Sandie Shaw) 2
    12 November “Baby Love (Supremes) 3 3 December “I Feel fine”+ (Beatles) +6


    Date. Title. Artist. Weeks At No 1.


    1965

    14 January “Yeh, Yeh” (Georgie Fame) 1
    21 January “Go Now” (Moody Blues) 2
    4 February “You’ve Lost That Lovin’ Feeling” (Righteous Brothers) 1
    11 February “Tired Of Waiting For You” (Kinks) 1
    18 February “I’ll Never Find Another You” (Seekers) 2
    4 March “It’s Not Unusual” (Tom Jones) 1
    11 March “The Last Time” (Rolling Stones) 4
    8 April “The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard) 1
    15 April “Ticket To Ride” + (Beatles) +5
    20 May “Where Are You Now” (Jackie Trent) 1
    27 May “Long Live Love” (Sandie Shaw) 3
    17 June “Crying In The Chapel” (Elvis Presley) 2
    1 July “I’m Alive” (Hollies) 2
    15 July “Mr Tambourine Man” (Byrds) 2
    29 July “Help” + (Beatles) +4
    26 August “I Got You Babe” (Sonny And Cher) 2
    9 September “(I Can’t Get No) Satisfaction” (Rolling Stones) 2
    23 September “Make It Easy On Yourself” (Walker Brothers) 1
    30 September “Tears” (Ken Dodd) 5
    4 November “Get Off My Cloud” (Rolling Stones) 3
    25 November “The Carnival Is Over” (Seekers) 3
    16 December “Day Tripper/We Can Work It Out” (Beatles) 4


    Date. Title. Artist. Weeks At No 1.

    1966

    13 January “Keep On Running” (Spencer Davis Group) 2
    27 January “Michelle” (Overlanders) 2
    10 February “These Boots Were Made For Walking” (Nancy Sinatra) 1
    17 February “Nineteenth Nervous Breakdown” (Rolling Stones) 3
    10 March “Sha-La-La-La-Lee” (Small Faces) 1
    17 March “The Sun Ain’t Gonna Shine Any More” (Walker Brothers) 4
    14 April “Somebody Help Me” (Spencer Davis Group) 1
    21 April “You Don’t Have To Say You Love Me” (Dusty Springfield) 2
    5 May “Pretty Flamingo” (Manfred Mann) 3
    26 May “Paint It Black” (Rolling Stones) 1
    2 June “Strangers In The Night” (Frank Sinatra) 3
    23 June “Paperback Writer” (Beatles) 2
    7 July “Sunny Afternoon” (Kinks) 2
    21 July “Get-Away” (Georgie Fame) 1
    28 July “Out of Time” (Chris Farlowe) 1
    4 August “With A Girl Like You” (Troggs) 2
    18 August “Yellow Submarine/Eleonor Rigby” (Beatles) 3

    * Note! The 31 August chart was primarily based on the Melody Maker listing due to the bank holiday delaying the other charts that week.

    8 September “Yellow Submarine/Eleonor Rigby” (Beatles) #
    “All Or Nothing” (Small Faces) # =1

    15 September “All Or Nothing” (Small Faces) 1
    22 September “Distant Drums” (Jim Reeves) 4
    20 October “Reach Out! – I’ll Be There” (Four Tops) 4
    17 November “Good Vibrations” (Beach Boys) 2
    1 December “Green Green Grass Of Home” (Tom Jones) 7


    Date. Title. Artist. Weeks At No 1.


    1967

    19 January “I’m A Believer” (Monkees) 4
    16 February “This Is My Song” (Petula Clark) 2
    2 March “Release Me” (Englebert Humperdink) 6
    13 April “Somethin’ Stupid” (Frank and Nancy Sinatra) 1

    20 April “Somethin’ Stupid” (Frank and Nancy Sinatra) #
    “Puppet On A String” (Sandie Shaw) # =1

    27 April “Puppet On A String” (Sandie Shaw) 3
    18 May “Silence Is Golden” (Tremeloes) 3
    8 June “A Whiter Shade of Pale” (Procul Harum) 6
    20 July “All You Need Is Love” (Beatles) 3
    10 August “San Fransisco” (Scott McKenzie) 4

    * Note! From 23 August 1967 Pick Of The Pops began broadcasting the full compiled top 30 in a 90 minute slot. It became a two hour programme when the new Radio 1 set up commenced on 30 September 1967. From 26 August 1967 Melody Maker and Disc combined charts for the one listing; this meant that just three charts were now used for compilation. Top Of the Pops still referred to the top 20.

    7 September “The Last Waltz” (Englebert Humperdink) 6

    * Note! From 3 October 1967 Radio 1 began broadcasting the new chart on Tuesday afternoons.

    19 October “Massachusetts” (Bee Gees) 3
    9 November “Baby, Now That I’ve Found You” (Foundations) 2
    23 November “Let The Heartaches Begin” (Long John Baldry) 2
    7 December “Hello Goodbye” (Beatles) 6

    * Note! There was no chart produced on 30 December (due to Melody Maker not having a chart that week). Instead Pick Of The Pops played the years number 1 records.

    Date. Title. Artist. Weeks At No 1


    1968

    18 January “The Ballad Of Bonnie And Clyde” (Georgie Fame) 1
    25 January “Everlasting Love” (Love Affair) 3
    15 February “The Mighty Quinn” (Manfred Mann) 2
    29 February “Cinderella, Rockafella” (Esther and Abi Ofarim) 4
    28 March “Lady Madonna” (Beatles) 2
    11 April “Congratulations” (Cliff Richard) 1
    18 April “What A Wonderful World” (Louis Armstrong) 4
    16 May “Young Girl” (Union Gap) 5

    * Note! A fourth weekly national chart; that from the music paper Top Pops, commenced in June 1968. However, it was not used by Pick Of The Pops.

    20 June “Jumping Jack Flash” (Rolling Stones) 2
    4 July “Baby Come Back” (Equals) 3
    25 July “Mony, Mony” (Tommy James And The Shondells) 5

    29 August “Do It Again” (Beach Boys) #
    “I’ve Gotta Get A Message To You” (Bee Gees) #
    “This Guy’s In Love With You” (Herb Alpert) # =1

    * Note! The three way tie for number 1 on 29 August 1968 was the catalyst for the move towards a new `official` chart. This would commence in February 1969.


    5 September “I’ve Gotta Get A Message To You” (Bee Gees) 1
    12 September “Hey Jude” (Beatles) 3

    * Note! At the end of September 1968 Pick Of The Pops reverted back to broadcasting a top 20 only. The top 30 was still compiled, but only the top 20 positions were included in both Pick Of The Pops, and Top Of The Pops.

    3 October “Those Were The Days” (Mary Hopkin) 5
    7 November “With A Little Help From My Friends” (Joe Cocker) 1
    14 November “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly” (Hugo Montenegro) 4
    12 December “Lily The Pink” (Scaffold) 4

    * Note! No chart produced on 24 December as Record Retailer chart was late that week and Melody Maker did not compile a Christmas chart. As with 1967, the years number 1 records played.

    Date Title Artist Weeks At No1


    1969

    7 January “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da” (Marmalade) 3
    28 January “Albatross” (Fleetwood Mac) 2

    • Note! On 13 February 1969, the new British Market Research Bureau chart was implemented by the show, with Amen Corner’s “(If Paradise Was) Half As Nice” the first No1 on that chart. The chart was a top 50 listing. From that date onward “Top of The Pops” No1’s were the same as `Guinness Book of Records` lists!
    • From this date Pick Of The Pops broadcast the top 30 from the new chart. Top Of The Pops still used the top 20 until 21 January 1970. From that date the programme underwent a overhaul, expanding from 25 to 45 minutes in length. It then referred not only to the top 30 but screened new releases and those records in the 31 to 50 region.

    Many thanks to Trevor Ager and Dave Taylor for invaluable help for providing me with copies of Pick Of The Pops chart 1958 to 1969.

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    by » Sat July 14th, 2012, 18:19

    Did BBC chart include EPs and LPs?

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    by » Sat July 14th, 2012, 20:04

    I'll answer my own question! YES.


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    by » Sat July 14th, 2012, 21:13

    When Pick of The Pops started it wasn't a countdown in the sense that the top 40 is now. Instead it was what it said a "Pick" of the most popular records. That way the could avoid lots of records marked "R" restricted being played. For example Elvis or records that mentioned Satan, or magic.

    The photo of Savile is interesting as he is holding up promo records sent to Radio Stations, indicated by the letter A.
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    by » Sat July 14th, 2012, 21:45

    That photo is a publicity shot for the first ever edition of Top Of The Pops. Back then TOTP got around the problem of acts not being able to perform either in the studio or on film by playing records with the crowd dancing along - presumably record labels sent in promo records to the TOTP production office as the programme was filmed in Manchester while what is now Radio 2 was broadcast from London. Either that or someone brought the singles along with them from London!

    The first record played (as opposed to the act being in the studio or on film) was '24 Hours From Tulsa' by Gene Pitney, which is listed at number 6 on the chart behind Jimmy Saville.

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    by » Sat July 14th, 2012, 23:29

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    That photo is a publicity shot for the first ever edition of Top Of The Pops. Back then TOTP got around the problem of acts not being able to perform either in the studio or on film by playing records with the crowd dancing along - presumably record labels sent in promo records to the TOTP production office as the programme was filmed in Manchester while what is now Radio 2 was broadcast from London. Either that or someone brought the singles along with them from London!

    The first record played (as opposed to the act being in the studio or on film) was '24 Hours From Tulsa' by Gene Pitney, which is listed at number 6 on the chart behind Jimmy Saville.
    The promotion of records was a liitle more planned then that Robbie. Record companies employed "pluggers" these would target the BBC with the latest batch of records trying to get them played. In fact records were never just randomly selected at the BBC and every word said was scripted. Tony Blackburn in his book Poptastic was even showed a Pick of The Pops script, with Alan's "greetings pop pickers" and every "not arf" set down in stone
    Even the request show was no such thing. Records were selected to be played and it was the requests that were selected to be read out, with many thousands of requests they could just select what they want.
    The BBC radio and TV wasn't like it is now. It was a strict service and dead boring, with just a touch of the spark of things to come in it. When Top of The Pops came out Pirate Radio was the king, with even the Prime Minister Harold Wilson listening to it, though saying it was a bad thing.
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    by » Mon July 16th, 2012, 14:48

    Top of the pops actually had to play three No1s in Sept 1968, hence the call for a new `national` chart!

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    by » Wed July 18th, 2012, 17:19

    Invaluable stuff as ever Allan; the trawls for this piece must have been especially deep so thanks.

    Can I just confirm something though (forgive me if it's clear above but what with all the changes through the years it got somewhat tricky to hold on to!). You date the records above by transmission - which is fascinating as it helps to link the various publication/week-ending dates cited in other sources to the sales week involved. I see that POTP began on a Tuesday in 1955, moving to a Saturday in 1958, which I was already aware of. However, I didn't know that transmission moved to a Friday in 1961 (presumably because they managed to compile the new chart by close of play on the Thursday)? Is this correct? My mother always remembers listening to POTP on a Sunday afternoon - she falters in her recollections of such things so that's hardly a gospel source! However I did think that Alan Freeman's chart broadcast on the old Light Programme was Sunday-based by the early 1960s and continued to be so thenceforth, notwithstanding of course that by the Radio 1 era the 'true' new chart actually first went out on Tuesday afternoons, with the Sunday being a fleshed-out version.

    When did Sunday chart transmission begin? And when did it start to become available from Tuesday?

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    by » Thu July 19th, 2012, 14:20

    I can't be certain as my POTP notes & charts are away in storage - but I think Sunday transmissions began when Radio 1 started after 30th September 1967.

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    by » Mon August 6th, 2012, 14:53

    Quote Originally Posted by asm
    I can't be certain as my POTP notes & charts are away in storage - but I think Sunday transmissions began when Radio 1 started after 30th September 1967.
    Pick Of The Pops was never broadcasted on Fridays. That is an oversight mistake, Alan.
    It began on 4th Oct 55 (a Tuesday) but did not feature current hits, until September 57. When positions were mentioned from various charts.

    Show Line-Up's as follows:
    Tuesday 4th Oct 55 (Franklin Englemann hosts of look at the week's new releases) Starting time 9pm. It wasn't on every week. It was every 2 weeks. After 7 shows, Franklin was axed. The show produced by Derek Chinnery.

    Tuesday 10th Jan 56 ( Alan Dell hosts a pick of the week's new releases at 9pm). It moved to Wednesdays at 8.30pm on 11th Apr 56. There was no show on 16th or 23rd May 56. It moved to Thursday at 7.30pm for 30th May 56 & then back to Weds at 7.30. Monday on 30th July at 8pm & back to Weds on 6th Aug 56. Sometimes in a 45 minute slot. Others just 30 mins.

    Weds 5th Sept 56 (David Jacobs plays a pick of the week's new releases). No shows for 12th/19th/26th Sept 56. Then from 6th Oct 56, it was a regular Saturday show at 6pm. Still only new releases were played. It moved to Sundays at 11pm, from 31st March 57.

    Sunday 29th Sept 57 11pm( Alan Dell with a pick of the week's new releases & current hits). From this point chart placings were given from most papers & an accumalated top 3. It moved to 10.40pm from 10th Nov 57.

    Sunday 30th March 58 ( David Jacobs host a pick of the current new releases & the current top 20) Starting with a look at climbers with in the chart & the full top 3. The final 25 minutes was new releases. There were no shows on 11th or 18th May 58.

    It then moved to back to Saturdays on 24th May 58 at 11.15pm & then to 11.02pm. The 27th Dec 58 show, was a Pick Of The 1958 Pops. Number ones & David's pick of the year, as was 26th Dec 59 & 31st Dec 1960.

    23rd Sept 61 Trad Tavern (incorporating Alan Freeman with Pick Of The Pops with the pick of the new releases & the current top 20) at 9.20, 10.40 & 11.20pm (3 20 minute segments). Axed on 23rd Dec 61. Denys Jones took over as producer, at this point.

    Sunday 7th Jan 62 4pm (Alan Freeman hosts Pick Of The Pops in 4 units. The new entries, the LP spot, the new releases & Unit 4, the current top 10 from 4.30.

    Sunday 30th Sept 62 4pm (David Jacobs with the current top 20 highlights, the top 10 & new releases). The 30th Dec 62 show was a number ones of 62 show.

    Sunday 6th Jan 63 4pm (Alan Freeman returns with his 62 format)

    Sunday 29th Sept 63 4pm (Don Moss presents new releases, chart starters & the top 10). The 29th Dec 63 show, was a number ones show.

    Sunday 5th Jan 64 4pm (Alan Freeman returns with his former format). The 27 Dec 64 show is a "Pick Of The 1964 Pops". For a few weeks in the Summer of 65, it was a 5pm show. The 26th Dec 65 show was Pick Of The 1965 Pops & the 1st Jan 67, featured the top 20 of 66. Don Moss sat in for Alan on 20th & 27th Sept 64. In December 66, Denys Jones also had been handed the reigns to compile the chart, from Derek Chinnery. From 31st Dec 1963, the chart was compiled on Tuesdays, but wasn't announced on Tuesdays, until 3rd Oct 1967.

    Sunday 27th Aug 67 4.30-6pm (Alan Freeman with the top 30 climbers, new releases, & top 10)

    Sunday 1st Oct 67 R1 & 2 5-7pm (Alan Freeman with the top 30 new entries, new releases & the complete top 20). On 15th & 22nd Sept 68, Pete Murray hosted with live link ups with Alan in the States. The 31st Dec 67 show was Pick Of The 1967 Pops, with all the top 3s of the year.

    Sunday 6th Oct 68 (Alan Freeman with the bubblers, new releases & complete BBC top 20). The 29th Dec 68 show was Pick Of The 1968 Pops & featured the top 3s of 68.

    Sunday 16th Feb 69 (Alan Freeman with the top 30 bottom 10 new entries, new releasses & the complete British Market Research Bureau top 20). The 28th Dec 69 show was Pick Of the 1969 Pops & played the top 3s of 1969. On Sunday 27th Dec 1970, Alan played the top 50 of 1970. The 26th Dec 1971, was Pick Of The 1971 Pops & played the top 3s of 1971. At the beginning of March 71, Ed Stewart sat in for Alan, for a week.

    July 1972 it was announced that Pick Of The Pops would be axed in September 1972, as it was old hat.

    Sunday 1st October 72 4-7pm (Tom Browne with Solid Gold Sixty. The airplay 60 - 21 & sales top 20 with Radio 2 joining for the top 20 at 6pm). This show was axed on 24th March 74. The airplay chart then became "All There Is Too Hear" on Sundays at 10am, with Paul Burnett (& from 76, with Simon Bates). Tom Browne continued on a Sunday at 6, with the top 20 sales chart on R1 & R2, until 26th March 78 & Simon Bates took over on 2nd April 78.

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    by » Tue August 7th, 2012, 22:05

    great stuff here.
    Since Alan's archive is somewhere in storage, maybe Dave or somebody else can list the full week-by-week charts from the very beginning until 1969, when the national chart started, please.
    That thread has not run yet here on UKMIX, nor anywhere else.

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    by » Fri August 10th, 2012, 20:42

    Quote Originally Posted by Arttrend
    great stuff here.
    Since Alan's archive is somewhere in storage, maybe Dave or somebody else can list the full week-by-week charts from the very beginning until 1969, when the national chart started, please.
    That thread has not run yet here on UKMIX, nor anywhere else.
    Unfortunately the BBC, do not like their charts being publicised. I did start to do it on another forum, but I was threatened with action, if I continued. So I had to stop. So, we are not allowed to do it.

    The BBC gloss over their charts today & never use them, even on Blackburn's awful re-hash of Pick Of The Pops. A joke calling the show "Pick Of The Pops", when it doesn't even use the original top 30s.

    Apologies for not being able to list the complete charts. Even back in the day, they were never published anywhere & it took until 1964, before you saw & heard the complete rundown of the top 20 on Top Of The Pops, or Pick Of The Pops. Previous to 1962, you didn't even hear the full top 10 mentioned. The Light Programme, only played the top 3 in full & the rest was just highlights of the top 20, & no complete set of positions was even read out.

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    by » Sun May 4th, 2014, 09:06

    [quote="asm"]
    Asm wrote Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:11 pm:
    “Pick and Top of the Pops” January 1964 - 6th February 1969.
    - - -
    11 March “The Last Time” (Rolling Stones) 4
    8 April “The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard) 1
    15 April “Ticket To Ride” + (Beatles) +5
    - - -
    I am from Denmark, and in the 1960’s I was a keen listener to Pick of the Pops. As a matter of fact, I wrote them down, and I still keep them. On that particular chart on 8 April 1965 I wrote that Alan Freeman presented ”Concrete And Clay” (Unit 4+2) as the no. 1 in Pick of the Pops. Not ”The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard). In his end-of-1965-presentation of the no. 1’s, I think that Alan Freeman too played ”Concrete And Clay” as the No 1 of that week in April. Am I all wrong or is there any way this can be explained?
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    by » Sun May 4th, 2014, 09:50

    Quote Originally Posted by olemygind
    Quote Originally Posted by asm
    Asm wrote Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:11 pm:
    “Pick and Top of the Pops” January 1964 - 6th February 1969.
    - - -
    11 March “The Last Time” (Rolling Stones) 4
    8 April “The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard) 1
    15 April “Ticket To Ride” + (Beatles) +5
    - - -
    I am from Denmark, and in the 1960’s I was a keen listener to Pick of the Pops. As a matter of fact, I wrote them down, and I still keep them. On that particular chart on 8 April 1965 I wrote that Alan Freeman presented ”Concrete And Clay” (Unit 4+2) as the no. 1 in Pick of the Pops. Not ”The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard). In his end-of-1965-presentation of the no. 1’s, I think that Alan Freeman too played ”Concrete And Clay” as the No 1 of that week in April. Am I all wrong or is there any way this can be explained?
    Hi, and welcome to ukmix.

    I have the chart for that week in 1965 and like yourself also have 'Concrete And Clay' at number 1. I have the top 5 for that week as being:

    1 (2) Concrete And Clay - Unit 4+2
    2 (3) The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard
    3 (1) The Last Time - Rolling Stones
    4 (4) For Your Love - Yardbirds
    5 (8) Catch The Wind - Donovan

    Is the top 5 you have written down the same as the above?

    Hopefully asm (Alan) will see this thread and can explain how he has 'The Minute You're Gone' as number 1 for that week.

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    by » Sun May 4th, 2014, 20:33

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by olemygind
    Quote Originally Posted by asm
    Asm wrote Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:11 pm:
    “Pick and Top of the Pops” January 1964 - 6th February 1969.
    - - -
    11 March “The Last Time” (Rolling Stones) 4
    8 April “The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard) 1
    15 April “Ticket To Ride” + (Beatles) +5
    - - -
    I am from Denmark, and in the 1960’s I was a keen listener to Pick of the Pops. As a matter of fact, I wrote them down, and I still keep them. On that particular chart on 8 April 1965 I wrote that Alan Freeman presented ”Concrete And Clay” (Unit 4+2) as the no. 1 in Pick of the Pops. Not ”The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard). In his end-of-1965-presentation of the no. 1’s, I think that Alan Freeman too played ”Concrete And Clay” as the No 1 of that week in April. Am I all wrong or is there any way this can be explained?
    Hi, and welcome to ukmix.

    I have the chart for that week in 1965 and like yourself also have 'Concrete And Clay' at number 1. I have the top 5 for that week as being:

    1 (2) Concrete And Clay - Unit 4+2
    2 (3) The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard
    3 (1) The Last Time - Rolling Stones
    4 (4) For Your Love - Yardbirds
    5 (8) Catch The Wind - Donovan

    Is the top 5 you have written down the same as the above?

    Hopefully asm (Alan) will see this thread and can explain how he has 'The Minute You're Gone' as number 1 for that week.
    Thank you, Robbie, for answering! I'm glad to tell you, that I totally agree with you on the Pick of the Pops Top 5 that Sunday 11 April 1965 including last-week-positions! In fact this is the rest of the Top 10 as I wrote it down. Wonderful tunes, wonderful days.
    6 (14) Here Comes The Night - Them
    7 (5) It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones
    8 (12) The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan
    9 (7) Silhouettes - Herman’s Hermits
    10 (12) I Can't Explain - Who
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    by » Tue May 6th, 2014, 12:06

    Glad to be reminded of this two-year-old thread. It's interesting to think that although the Beeb weren't keen on publicising their weekly averaged-out Top 30s either at the time or later, these Number 1s that Allan lists here are likely to be the ones that a significant majority of music fans and chart followers of the 1960s remember as being 'definitive' chart-toppers. I tend to find from speaking to those around at that time that if they remember a Number One record at all accurately, it's most likely from hearing it on Pick/Top of the Pops, which is why I daresay to more casual observers of this period, it matters less which of the five available published charts were most accurate, or which were regarded as more or less reliable than their counterparts at different stages. For them, they recollect the Alan Freeman POTP and Jimmy Savile TOTP broadcasts and whatever they announced as No 1 they were and are still happy to go with. Upstarts like me telling them any of the above songs weren't No 1s by RR, NME or MM's reckoning doesn't amend their view of musical history - especially if it's a single they loved and bought!

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    by » Mon June 16th, 2014, 16:54

    Quote Originally Posted by olemygind
    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by olemygind
    Quote Originally Posted by asm
    Asm wrote Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:11 pm:
    “Pick and Top of the Pops” January 1964 - 6th February 1969.
    - - -
    11 March “The Last Time” (Rolling Stones) 4
    8 April “The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard) 1
    15 April “Ticket To Ride” + (Beatles) +5
    - - -
    I am from Denmark, and in the 1960’s I was a keen listener to Pick of the Pops. As a matter of fact, I wrote them down, and I still keep them. On that particular chart on 8 April 1965 I wrote that Alan Freeman presented ”Concrete And Clay” (Unit 4+2) as the no. 1 in Pick of the Pops. Not ”The Minute You’re Gone” (Cliff Richard). In his end-of-1965-presentation of the no. 1’s, I think that Alan Freeman too played ”Concrete And Clay” as the No 1 of that week in April. Am I all wrong or is there any way this can be explained?
    Hi, and welcome to ukmix.

    I have the chart for that week in 1965 and like yourself also have 'Concrete And Clay' at number 1. I have the top 5 for that week as being:

    1 (2) Concrete And Clay - Unit 4+2
    2 (3) The Minute You're Gone - Cliff Richard
    3 (1) The Last Time - Rolling Stones
    4 (4) For Your Love - Yardbirds
    5 (8) Catch The Wind - Donovan

    Is the top 5 you have written down the same as the above?

    Hopefully asm (Alan) will see this thread and can explain how he has 'The Minute You're Gone' as number 1 for that week.
    Thank you, Robbie, for answering! I'm glad to tell you, that I totally agree with you on the Pick of the Pops Top 5 that Sunday 11 April 1965 including last-week-positions! In fact this is the rest of the Top 10 as I wrote it down. Wonderful tunes, wonderful days.
    6 (14) Here Comes The Night - Them
    7 (5) It's Not Unusual - Tom Jones
    8 (12) The Times They Are A-Changin' - Bob Dylan
    9 (7) Silhouettes - Herman’s Hermits
    10 (12) I Can't Explain - Who
    Could you tell me the Top 20 for Sunday 4th September 1966? This was my birthday & I'd like to check it. Cheers

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    by » Mon June 16th, 2014, 17:24

    It may be that ASM can assist you if he was furnished with the entire BBC Top 30s for the period, but it's possible he was only given the No 1s - hopefully he has the whole lot and will help, but just in case he can't, I note he credits two sources for supplying him with the data, one of whom is Dave Taylor. There is a Dave Taylor who posts on this site and who is very interested and knowledgeable about our chart history in general. It's a common name, but if you get no joy with Allan he might be worth a try as it could be the same bloke!

    Date-wise I think you'll need to be clear: the Top 20 broadcast on TOTP on Thursday 8th September 1966 presumably is the one you're after, as it would've been based on sales from the previous Monday to Saturday, and had it been compiled in the modern computerised era would've been initially made available on Sunday 4th, your birthday, with a week-ending date of Saturday 10th. Good luck.

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    by » Mon June 16th, 2014, 21:50

    Quote Originally Posted by Gambo
    It may be that ASM can assist you if he was furnished with the entire BBC Top 30s for the period, but it's possible he was only given the No 1s - hopefully he has the whole lot and will help, but just in case he can't, I note he credits two sources for supplying him with the data, one of whom is Dave Taylor. There is a Dave Taylor who posts on this site and who is very interested and knowledgeable about our chart history in general. It's a common name, but if you get no joy with Allan he might be worth a try as it could be the same bloke!

    Date-wise I think you'll need to be clear: the Top 20 broadcast on TOTP on Thursday 8th September 1966 presumably is the one you're after, as it would've been based on sales from the previous Monday to Saturday, and had it been compiled in the modern computerised era would've been initially made available on Sunday 4th, your birthday, with a week-ending date of Saturday 10th. Good luck.
    Sunday 4th Sept is the one. I think the top 20 on TOTP on the 1st Sept, but someone else said, that the Chart on TOTP was different to the Sunday POTP chart that week, as not all info was available due to the August Bank holiday. Apparently it was updated for POTP on 4th Sept 66.
    I tried contacting davetaylor, but a member told me that he sadly died in April.

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    by » Mon June 16th, 2014, 22:17

    Quote Originally Posted by swedehead
    I tried contacting davetaylor, but a member told me that he sadly died in April.
    This is a shock as I've not heard anything. Can I ask who it was who told you Dave had died?

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    by » Tue June 17th, 2014, 00:46

    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie
    Quote Originally Posted by swedehead
    I tried contacting davetaylor, but a member told me that he sadly died in April.
    This is a shock as I've not heard anything. Can I ask who it was who told you Dave had died?
    It would be news to me too. He was last on Buzzjack on the 15 April. He is 65 though, so it's possible!
    I have PM there just now. I'll let you know if he does answer.

    I hope he can quote Mark Twain "reports of my death are greatly exaggerated"
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    by » Tue June 17th, 2014, 08:51

    I hope it's not bad news but Dave used to post regularly on Popscene and nothing there from him since March.

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    by » Tue June 17th, 2014, 10:10

    Jesus this doesn't look good. Dave was a prolific poster in recent months especially on the Record Business thread, but he did rather suddenly go quiet on this site - last post apparently Sunday 16th March. Let's hope this is a case where rumour and circumstantial evidence is leading us all astray, but I'm not confident. If he did pass on, he will have taken a good deal of chart knowledge with him and he'll be much-missed, particularly by those interested in historical singles sales analysis.

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    by » Fri September 19th, 2014, 10:01

    Sorry Sweedhead, I have been away from this thread for a while. Of course I'm glad to post th TOP 20 as presented by Alan Freeman on your birthday September 4th 1966!
    TW LW WC
    1 1 4 Yellow Submarine / Eleanor Rigby Beatles
    2 2 5 God Only Knows Beach Boys
    3 8 3 All Or Nothing Small Faces
    4 4 3 They're Coming To Take Me Away Ha-Haaa! Napoleon Xiv
    5 5 7 Mama Dave Berry
    6 3 7 With A Girl Like You Troggs
    7 12 4 Lovers Of The World Unite David And Jonathan
    8 15 2 Too Soon To Know Roy Orbison
    9 9 6 Summer In The City Lovin' Spoonful
    10 17 3 Just Like A Woman Manfred Mann

    11 6 6 Visions Cliff Richard
    12 12 4 I Saw Her Again Mamas And The Papas
    13 7 9 Black Is Black Los Bravos
    14 10 9 The More I See You Chris Montez
    15 20 2 Distant Drums Jim Reeves
    16 11 6 Hi-Lili Hi-Lo Alan Price Set
    17 NE 1 Got To Get You Into My Life Cliff Bennett And The Rebel Rousers
    18 NE 1 Working In The Coalmine Lee Dorsey
    19 14 3 More Than Love Ken Dodd
    20 16 9 Out Of Time Chris Farlowe
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